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Huge Keichyins report in the Record says of last night's game, The New Rangers against EF, that

"Ally McCoist had hoped for the team's most passionate fans, the Blue Order, to be in their usual places as another sign of continuity.

They responded to his call and the size of the attendance was phenomenal for a game of this stature.

If the Club Deck had been opened the ground would have been filled to capacity.

As it was, the kick-off had to be delayed by 20 minutes to let the crowd in."

Anyone know what the capacity of the Club Deck is? Surely not 13000? If not, then another piece of evidence confirming a bit of jiggery pokery.

The Club Deck holds 7,300 seats. And it was eventually opened and from all accounts at the very least three quarters full.

I wonder if the 38000 didn't take into account the Club Deck? dry.gif

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Really no one should have been under the illusion this scenario would be played out any differently. The idea Sevco supporters would entertain a group of young players gelling in the 3rd was fantasy stuff , these supporters are weaned on the instant the buy big the all fur coat and no knickers mentality, I bet if you asked the majority about the Murray era, they'd live it out again even if it jeopardised the clubs existence.

They have to wipe every record created by the diddy teams in the lower divisions to show their dominance, the fact that the spent beyond any other team outwith Celtic in Scotland will not register. Their fans will lap this up as this is all they ever wanted guaranteed wins against mismatched opposition, isin't that the reason for the EBT's , they cannot accept the possibility of defeat , they must win, entrenched by attitudes of superiority, fear and hatred.

So sit back and watch them financially implode yet again, its easy to hate them and their vile intolerances but most are simple creatures fed helpings of "what is it you want to hear". The only thing i can advocate to all us diddy team supporters is patience as the return of the headline signings with wages beyond their finances will be another calamity to come. When the full scale of the EBT's and dual contracts are known I am sure sponsors will be reluctant to sully their name with the tainted brand.

They have accomplished their easiest task getting the mindless to believe everything will carry on as before, the human mackerel are biting but keeping them interested will be a more difficult task. The cup games against the SPL sides and any defeat will be interesting to view.

So title by christmas, record goals scored but then what ?

So title by christmas, record goals scored but then what ?

Instant re-organisation of Scottish football in its entirety to grease them back to the top flight in a shorter time frame than starting out in Div 3 should dictate?

Now, that's magic.

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The Club Deck holds 7,300 seats. And it was eventually opened and from all accounts at the very least three quarters full.

I wonder if the 38000 didn't take into account the Club Deck? dry.gif

Right, so 3/4 of 7,300 is 5850, added to 38,000 is 43,850, pretty damn close to what a lot of commentators, amateur and professional were saying, with still thousands outside :huh: , but that's still 8,000 odd short of a full house, which a few claim it was.

Well dodgy.

Was the Club Deck cash only?

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On a side note ( as opposed to a side contract) a friend of mine who is a music scholar (ohhhhhhhh) emailed me today to say he was listening to the game (God knows why coz he is a Dundee Utd fan) and noticed they played Chumbawamba's Tubthumping.

He said that the bit where they sing "Danny Boy, Danny Boy" is actually referencing the song by Fredrick Edward Weatherley, and he wrote it to the tune of "Londonderry Air". Whilst the pipes at the end Tubthumping was actually the "Prince of Denmark March" written by Jeremiah Clarke around 1700, which was played at the wedding of Princess Diane and Prince Charles.

Scandalous and should be investigated by the SFA!!! blink.gif

See it's not only SevCo fans that can come up with tenuous (if any orcs are reading this, that means "very weak") links. laugh.gif

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Rangers - Global brand extraordinaire :lol: Quotes from RM. And as Shakespeare would have put it "Much Ado About Nothing"

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=234420&st=0

markrfc

Posted Yesterday, 09:15 PM

Just seen on twitter that ibrox is trending worldwide on twitter

NamibianBear

Posted Yesterday, 09:17 PM

As someone who does not use Twitter, what does that mean?

The Monk

Posted Yesterday, 09:19 PM

It means Ibrox is the most popular topic discussed on twitter at the moment when people use hashtags

Fools Gold

Posted Yesterday, 09:20 PM

That our club is one of the hottest topics currently in the Twitter world

markrfc1

Posted Yesterday, 09:20 PM

Its like the most popular thing on twitter. Everyone is tweeting about ibrox. That's the easiest way to describe it

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KingBillyLives

Posted Today, 09:34 AM

It turns out it is actually the top trend in Glasgow.

http://trendsmap.com/local/gb/glasgow

What a bunch of wânkers! :lol:

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I need a bit of help with regard to the reported attendance figures for the League Cup match with East Fife.

The officially reported figure was circa 38,000. The BBC staff at the game thought there was more than that and said so last night, with some admiration, before the official figure was available. I heard them myself on the radio.

The Rangers fans on Rangers Media are adamant that the attendance was more than 38,000 and appear to be upset that the BBC is reporting the official figure, rather than the true figure.

But if the true figure is more than the official figure, surely that implies that a mistake has been made within Ibrox, not at the BBC?

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I need a bit of help with regard to the reported attendance figures for the League Cup match with East Fife.

The officially reported figure was circa 38,000. The BBC staff at the game thought there was more than that and said so last night, with some admiration, before the official figure was available. I heard them myself on the radio.

The Rangers fans on Rangers Media are adamant that the attendance was more than 38,000 and appear to be upset that the BBC is reporting the official figure, rather than the true figure.

But if the true figure is more than the official figure, surely that implies that a mistake has been made within Ibrox, not at the BBC?

That can't be right. It suggests someone at Ibrox might have done something wrong.

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"Revenge is a dish best served cold". I think the catering has been contracted out at Ibrox.

I suspect that it''ll no be revenge they're serving up come Xmas, it'll be humble pie.

Oh, they don't do humble, do they?

Well, don't say we didnae tell ye.

The Orcs aren' t nearly so entertaining when they are in 'triumphal' or

'confident' mode. Still just as stupid tho'.

I'm not going back til they realise that they are still in the shite.

I'll give it 3-4 weeks, tops.

For now, they can consider themselves 'ignored'.<_<

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The Orcs aren' t nearly so entertaining when they are in 'triumphal' or

'confident' mode. Still just as stupid tho'.

I'm not going back til they realise that they are still in the shite.

I'll give it 3-4 weeks, tops.

For now, they can consider themselves 'ignored'.dry.gif

But it's seeing them in this mode that makes the other stuff so rewarding.

It's like how watching our shit teams struggle is what makes the good stuff so valuable when it occasionally comes round.

The secret is not to ignore this phase, but to pull up a chair and watch the poor, deluded halfwits having fun. That's what will make the punchline so sweet.

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McCoist To Fellate Everyone Who Attended The Rangers v East Fife Game Last Night

A delirious Ally McCoist today vowed to personally blow every last supporter who attended the Rangers versus East Fife League Cup match at Ibrox last night.

“The fans were just magnificent,” enthused McCoist. “From the way they made their way to the stadium, to the way they sat in their seat and watched the match, to the way they exited the stadium – I thought they were excellent, and what better way to thank them than getting down on my knees and sucking some cock.”

“They’ve all been through so much: our squad is down to just 7 internationalists, we conceded a goal at Brechin, and, worst of all, there are no Catholic clubs in the 3rd division for our loyal supporters to remind of their genetic inferiority.”

“But I’m sure five minutes of having my gums wrapped round their throbbing manhoods will go some way to redressing the balance.”

East Fife fans are currently seeking clarification to see if they can be excluded from McCoist’s oral marathon, although many have speculated that at least having a cock in his mouth might shut him up for a while.

"This is a wonderful gesture from Ally," commented chief executive Charles Green. "Granted it's going to take him a while to get round all 52,319 fans.... sorry, scratch that? Did I say 52 thousand? I meant 38. Yes, 38. Definitely only 38. Ahem."

And it seems that Gazza will be coming to do a flute job on everybody. :lol:

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I need a bit of help with regard to the reported attendance figures for the League Cup match with East Fife.

The officially reported figure was circa 38,000. The BBC staff at the game thought there was more than that and said so last night, with some admiration, before the official figure was available. I heard them myself on the radio.

The Rangers fans on Rangers Media are adamant that the attendance was more than 38,000 and appear to be upset that the BBC is reporting the official figure, rather than the true figure.

But if the true figure is more than the official figure, surely that implies that a mistake has been made within Ibrox, not at the BBC?

38k was probably correct. The main stand was nowhere near full and there was patches of empty seats all round the stadium.

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38k was probably correct. The main stand was nowhere near full and there was patches of empty seats all round the stadium.

I refer my learned friend to rangersmedia where he will discover that he is the only one who thinks this.

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I refer my learned friend to rangersmedia where he will discover that he is the only one who thinks this.

I refer you to the fact that RangersMedia isn't populated by the sharpest tools in the shed and that pretty much everyone from P&B has admitted to having an alias or two there.

I didn't sit and count everyone, but the figure quoted would seem to be about right. As I've said the Club Deck was less than half full and there was patches of empty seats all over. The fact that everyone in the Broomloan and Copland who paid at the gate pretty much sat where they liked rather than the seats on the tickets provided meant that everyone was fairly well spread out too.

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RTC's retirement didn't last long :D , better get the anoose greased up Minty!

Digging The Hole Ever Deeper

08/08/2012

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This week has seen strident denials from David Murray that Rangers have done anything wrong in paying 83 employees through the Murray Group Management Remuneration Trust (MGMRT). According to Murray: "No rules were breached or circumvented, and I reject and resent any suggestion that anything was done which amounted to cheating." This blog-post will provide an illustrative example that demonstrates just how absurdly untrue Murray's claim really is.

First a quick recap of the rules. For the MGMRT, an Employee Benefit Trust (EBT), to be operated legally for tax purposes, money is deposited in the trust by the employer. Thereafter, the employer must have no control or involvement in the disbursement of funds. Employees can then apply to the trust for loans. The loans must be discretionary i.e. contractual obligations or wages (of any kind) cannot be paid tax-free through an EBT. Any payment through an EBT for wages or other contractual obligations would be liable to tax. Paying wages or other obligations through an EBT without deducting PAYE & National Insurance is a breach of UK tax law and is illegal. HMRC has investigated Rangers' use of the MGMRT EBT and found it to be a sham designed to avoid due PAYE & NIC. The Rangers FC plc (In Administration) appealed this determination and this appeal was heard by the now infamous First Tier Tribunal (Tax). Rangers FC (the oldco) was able to pay higher wages to sign and retain better quality players during the decade in which the scheme operated. In fact, had Rangers paid staff the same take home wage, the club would have had to find an extra £49m to pay tax on these wages legally. This much we have discussed many times.

The next rule in question is that of the Scottish Premier League (SPL). The SPL requires that all payments to registered players are declared in the contractual documents submitted to the league (and to the SFA). The combination of illegally using an EBT scheme to obtain a £49m advantage in paying for players and violating SPL rules on declaring payments to players is premeditated financial doping. The reason for not declaring the EBT payments in player contracts is that doing so would have caused the EBT scheme to fail immediately. Players and their agents are no fools and wisely would not trust the nods and winks of the shifty wide-boy types attracted to football club ownership. They insisted that promised payments were documented. These additional documents- side-letters, second-contracts… call them what you will- blow Rangers' and Murray's claims of innocence out of the water.

In a previous post, this blog attempted to help the SPL's investigation team to establish a prima facie case against Rangers. Obviously, we have no way of knowing if this was helpful in moving this case along, but it might help the media and anyone investigating the case against Rangers if we provide a road-map to just one example of what really happened. Please note that this example has been selected for its clarity rather than the importance of the player. Many of the cases, especially the earlier ones when Rangers tended to be more concerned with obscuring their actions, are quite complex. The SPL's investigators should ensure that they see the documentation referenced below.

Gavin Rae signed a three and a half-year contract with Rangers on 1 January 2004. This contract- the official one filed with the SFA & SPL- lists an annual wage of £260,000. Curiously, the contract does not mention appearance money or bonuses. On the very same day, 1 January 2004, Rangers provided Gavin Rae with a letter that said that money would be deposited in a sub-trust of the Murray Group Management Remuneration Trust on his behalf. These amounts total £336,000. The letter also said that Rae would receive £1,000 as an appearance fee for every competitive first-team game played. From February 2004 to July 2007, Rae received five payments totalling £336,000. He also received the following amounts through the EBT for appearances: £11,000 (2003/04); £8,000 (2005/06); £20,000 (2006/07). The appearance money matches his first team appearances for Rangers.

This side letter torpedoes the argument that these payments were not contractual. (A simple guide to contract formation under Scots Law can be found here. Short version: these letters constitute a contract under Scots Law). This letter, and the others like it, demonstrate that Rangers used the EBT scheme to pay wages (appearance money) and contractual obligations related to employment. This is just one fragment of the masses of evidence that demonstrate that Rangers were "at it".

The task for the SPL's investigators is simple in this case. Obtain Gavin Rae's contract as submitted to the SFA & SPL. Next, they should demand to see Gavin Rae's side letter. After that, the task is to review the actual payments. There will be a match between promises and payments. Repeat for each of the 82 other employees of Rangers FC (now In Administration) who used the trust scheme.

The current PR campaign from Murray, and other senior Rangers' personnel who were beneficiaries of the EBT scheme, is designed to reverse any sense of inevitability regarding amending the sporting record to reflect the cheating that took place between 2001-2011. All Scottish football fans- Rangers fans included- were cheated during these years. Do not believe the spin and dissembling from those who did most to damage Rangers FC and Scottish football.

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On a side note ( as opposed to a side contract) a friend of mine who is a music scholar (ohhhhhhhh) emailed me today to say he was listening to the game (God knows why coz he is a Dundee Utd fan) and noticed they played Chumbawamba's Tubthumping.

He said that the bit where they sing "Danny Boy, Danny Boy" is actually referencing the song by Fredrick Edward Weatherley, and he wrote it to the tune of "Londonderry Air". Whilst the pipes at the end Tubthumping was actually the "Prince of Denmark March" written by Jeremiah Clarke around 1700, which was played at the wedding of Princess Diane and Prince Charles.

Scandalous and should be investigated by the SFA!!! blink.gif

See it's not only SevCo fans that can come up with tenuous (if any orcs are reading this, that means "very weak") links. laugh.gif

What is, "very weak" is some chunt boasting about his vocabulary then coming up with an abortion of a sentence like, "Whilst the pipes at the end Tubthumping was actually the "Prince of Denmark March" written by Jeremiah Clarke around 1700, which was played at the wedding of Princess Diane and Prince Charles."

Learn to use a fucking preposition before you make cheap jibes about orcs. w****r.

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What is, "very weak" is some chunt boasting about his vocabulary then coming up with an abortion of a sentence like, "Whilst the pipes at the end Tubthumping was actually the "Prince of Denmark March" written by Jeremiah Clarke around 1700, which was played at the wedding of Princess Diane and Prince Charles."

Learn to use a fucking preposition before you make cheap jibes about orcs. w****r.

Who shat in your handbag.:lol:

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