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I think Green forgets that Murray has tried share issues in the past and they have all failed miserably, this is in financially good times not the clusterfuck that we are in right now.

Any share issue would be doomed to failure.

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Off topic but there is a new email site at

outlook.com

if anyone wants to snap up a username before anyone else gets it.

eta you have to go through the whole thing before it tells you the name is already used. Tedious.

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Browsing Orc Media, it seems a few of them are beginning to realise that the SPL clubs aren't going to crash and burn like everyone had predicted, and they don't like it :D

From a Dundee United point of view, the TV money is the same as what we've been on the last few years, and with the opportunity of now changing the distribution to a fairer model now available, that could go up.

Season tickets are slightly up and still selling, and we're gonna see more Dundee fans visiting Tannadice than the Orcs have brought through in the last couple of years, I can confidently predict we're gonna be fine!

Armegeddon? You're a joke Jim Traynor et al

I`ve been watching this unravel since the start of February and I`ve passed a few comments on the manic utterings and diatribe thats been spouted across the forums. The usual responses lack any sort of coherent answer so I`m not holding out any hope this time either but I can`t help but get the feeling that all the armchair stockbrokers,IFA`s, accountants,bankers and lawyers are refusing to see the financial reality of what`s sitting in front of them. Stop spouting shite for 2 minutes and have a look at the actual net spend of each of the SPL clubs during this transfer window and compare against the last 5 years. I also posted previously that clubs would start to look for savings at youth level first which is always first under review and sure as fate at least 2 SPL clubs have started looking at cutting back on the amounts they spend on youth development etc with more to follow..... Can any of the clubs say with certainty or to paraphrase "confidently predict we`re gonna be fine!"

Not without kids you`re not. Oh and save me the Orc sympathiser,Sevco apologist, Jim Traynor,etc,etc pish. I was fortunate enough to have made a living from the game, thats where my interest lies and its the same for most players even today. Their first loyalty is to earning a wage to support their families and they are not remotely interested in the bollocks that gets thrown around on internet forums or radio phone ins....

So anyone care to answer my original question as to what their clubs actual net spend is within this transfer window compared to the last 5 years???

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I`ve been watching this unravel since the start of February and I`ve passed a few comments on the manic utterings and diatribe thats been spouted across the forums. The usual responses lack any sort of coherent answer so I`m not holding out any hope this time either but I can`t help but get the feeling that all the armchair stockbrokers,IFA`s, accountants,bankers and lawyers are refusing to see the financial reality of what`s sitting in front of them. Stop spouting shite for 2 minutes and have a look at the actual net spend of each of the SPL clubs during this transfer window and compare against the last 5 years. I also posted previously that clubs would start to look for savings at youth level first which is always first under review and sure as fate at least 2 SPL clubs have started looking at cutting back on the amounts they spend on youth development etc with more to follow..... Can any of the clubs say with certainty or to paraphrase "confidently predict we`re gonna be fine!"

Not without kids you`re not. Oh and save me the Orc sympathiser,Sevco apologist, Jim Traynor,etc,etc pish. I was fortunate enough to have made a living from the game, thats where my interest lies and its the same for most players even today. Their first loyalty is to earning a wage to support their families and they are not remotely interested in the bollocks that gets thrown around on internet forums or radio phone ins....

So anyone care to answer my original question as to what their clubs actual net spend is within this transfer window compared to the last 5 years???

SevcoMedia for this pish

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Off topic but there is a new email site at

outlook.com

if anyone wants to snap up a username before anyone else gets it.

eta you have to go through the whole thing before it tells you the name is already used. Tedious.

That RM post could get an apt one now

below.outlook.com

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I`ve been watching this unravel since the start of February and I`ve passed a few comments on the manic utterings and diatribe thats been spouted across the forums. The usual responses lack any sort of coherent answer so I`m not holding out any hope this time either but I can`t help but get the feeling that all the armchair stockbrokers,IFA`s, accountants,bankers and lawyers are refusing to see the financial reality of what`s sitting in front of them. Stop spouting shite for 2 minutes and have a look at the actual net spend of each of the SPL clubs during this transfer window and compare against the last 5 years. I also posted previously that clubs would start to look for savings at youth level first which is always first under review and sure as fate at least 2 SPL clubs have started looking at cutting back on the amounts they spend on youth development etc with more to follow..... Can any of the clubs say with certainty or to paraphrase "confidently predict we`re gonna be fine!"

Not without kids you`re not. Oh and save me the Orc sympathiser,Sevco apologist, Jim Traynor,etc,etc pish. I was fortunate enough to have made a living from the game, thats where my interest lies and its the same for most players even today. Their first loyalty is to earning a wage to support their families and they are not remotely interested in the bollocks that gets thrown around on internet forums or radio phone ins....

So anyone care to answer my original question as to what their clubs actual net spend is within this transfer window compared to the last 5 years???

Jim, make up your mind, which one? Or is it both or are we all dooooooooomed! Cutback were coming if you were in or out. This was already said, what has happened is cutbacks are going to be quicker. IMO not a bad thing, living outwith your means in any game of life is not good, you may even go bust, imagine that.

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St Johnstone - Our net spend is on a par with last year and up on our time in First Division. But not sure what that is a measure of I'd prefer to see us reduce wages by 20% and on balance think that SPL clubs were spending way to much on squad wages - cut backs of 25% would be rational irrespective of SPL TV deals or who is in the league.

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Jim, make up your mind, which one? Or is it both or are we all dooooooooomed! Cutback were coming if you were in or out. This was already said, what has happened is cutbacks are going to be quicker. IMO not a bad thing, living outwith your means in any game of life is not good, you may even go bust, imagine that.

I'm surprised you even bothered to answer him. Nobody EVER has pretended that there wouldn't difficult financial decisions and times to come............I don't think anyone ever said otherwise. At the same time everyone could see the utter folly of being content to live off the coat-tails of the gruesome twosome, especially when one of the arse cheeks itself went bust and liquidated!

Jim above needs to wake-up and realise his time of junkets & succulent lamb are over. This is recession and hopefully all the Clubs still standing now start to live more realistically and not be blinkered/obsessed with Jim's "actual net spend within this transfer window compared to the past 5 years"

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I`ve been watching this unravel since the start of February and I`ve passed a few comments on the manic utterings and diatribe thats been spouted across the forums. The usual responses lack any sort of coherent answer so I`m not holding out any hope this time either but I can`t help but get the feeling that all the armchair stockbrokers,IFA`s, accountants,bankers and lawyers are refusing to see the financial reality of what`s sitting in front of them. Stop spouting shite for 2 minutes and have a look at the actual net spend of each of the SPL clubs during this transfer window and compare against the last 5 years. I also posted previously that clubs would start to look for savings at youth level first which is always first under review and sure as fate at least 2 SPL clubs have started looking at cutting back on the amounts they spend on youth development etc with more to follow..... Can any of the clubs say with certainty or to paraphrase "confidently predict we`re gonna be fine!"

Not without kids you`re not. Oh and save me the Orc sympathiser,Sevco apologist, Jim Traynor,etc,etc pish. I was fortunate enough to have made a living from the game, thats where my interest lies and its the same for most players even today. Their first loyalty is to earning a wage to support their families and they are not remotely interested in the bollocks that gets thrown around on internet forums or radio phone ins....

So anyone care to answer my original question as to what their clubs actual net spend is within this transfer window compared to the last 5 years???

^^^^Orc sympathiser, Sevco apologist, Jim Traynor, etc etc forum for this pish^^^^

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I`ve been watching this unravel since the start of February and I`ve passed a few comments on the manic utterings and diatribe thats been spouted across the forums. The usual responses lack any sort of coherent answer so I`m not holding out any hope this time either but I can`t help but get the feeling that all the armchair stockbrokers,IFA`s, accountants,bankers and lawyers are refusing to see the financial reality of what`s sitting in front of them. Stop spouting shite for 2 minutes and have a look at the actual net spend of each of the SPL clubs during this transfer window and compare against the last 5 years. I also posted previously that clubs would start to look for savings at youth level first which is always first under review and sure as fate at least 2 SPL clubs have started looking at cutting back on the amounts they spend on youth development etc with more to follow..... Can any of the clubs say with certainty or to paraphrase "confidently predict we`re gonna be fine!"

Not without kids you`re not. Oh and save me the Orc sympathiser,Sevco apologist, Jim Traynor,etc,etc pish. I was fortunate enough to have made a living from the game, thats where my interest lies and its the same for most players even today. Their first loyalty is to earning a wage to support their families and they are not remotely interested in the bollocks that gets thrown around on internet forums or radio phone ins....

So anyone care to answer my original question as to what their clubs actual net spend is within this transfer window compared to the last 5 years???

Excuse me sir, is the figure actually relevant? When I lived in the UK, I am sure that sometimes the General Election was lost by the political party that had the most funding. How bizarre was this?

In my opinion, a more adult view of your paraphrasing: "we're gonna be fine" would be "we're going to attempt to live within our means". You seem to infer that this is necessarily a bad thing. I don't agree. Maybe you've just been dipping in and out of this forum since February and not picked up any of the underlying themes; maybe you are Andy Cameron-esque in your views today, I don't know.

For me, one of the underlying themes has been the "diddy team revival" and a unity amongst fans. e.g. "We are Turnbull Hutton" and Ross County's superb gesture to 'Well fans this Saturday.

Money, may be important, but it's not the be all and end all. Tore Andre Flo cost Rangers over twice the value of the club as of 2012, and we've had no deflationary years in the interim period.

Just my RMB 2.

PA

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19071813

Apologies if noted earlier, but while Beattie signing seems up-in-the-air, McCoist expects Bocanegra and Goian to stay. Both are flabergasting, but Bocanegra in particular... he has over 100 USA caps and has still been playing regularly for his country up until now.

What on earth would attract him to playing in Scotland's 4th tier (followed by ~2 more years in the lower levels)?

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I`ve been watching this unravel since...

So anyone care to answer my original question as to what their clubs actual net spend is within this transfer window compared to the last 5 years???

I've been watching Scottish football unravel for a decade plus.

My club have barely spent a farthing for years, pretty typical of most SPL clubs apart from two.

What's your actual point?

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I`ve been watching this unravel since the start of February and I`ve passed a few comments on the manic utterings and diatribe thats been spouted across the forums. The usual responses lack any sort of coherent answer so I`m not holding out any hope this time either but I can`t help but get the feeling that all the armchair stockbrokers,IFA`s, accountants,bankers and lawyers are refusing to see the financial reality of what`s sitting in front of them. Stop spouting shite for 2 minutes and have a look at the actual net spend of each of the SPL clubs during this transfer window and compare against the last 5 years. I also posted previously that clubs would start to look for savings at youth level first which is always first under review and sure as fate at least 2 SPL clubs have started looking at cutting back on the amounts they spend on youth development etc with more to follow..... Can any of the clubs say with certainty or to paraphrase "confidently predict we`re gonna be fine!"

Not without kids you`re not. Oh and save me the Orc sympathiser,Sevco apologist, Jim Traynor,etc,etc pish. I was fortunate enough to have made a living from the game, thats where my interest lies and its the same for most players even today. Their first loyalty is to earning a wage to support their families and they are not remotely interested in the bollocks that gets thrown around on internet forums or radio phone ins....

So anyone care to answer my original question as to what their clubs actual net spend is within this transfer window compared to the last 5 years???

Thank feck the schools start back soon.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19071813

Apologies if noted earlier, but while Beattie signing seems up-in-the-air, McCoist expects Bocanegra and Goian to stay. Both are flabergasting, but Bocanegra in particular... he has over 100 USA caps and has still been playing regularly for his country up until now.

What on earth would attract him to playing in Scotland's 4th tier (followed by ~2 more years in the lower levels)?

A side contract and offshore payments through an EBT perhaps?

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For me, one of the underlying themes has been the "diddy team revival" and a unity amongst fans. e.g. "We are Turnbull Hutton" and Ross County's superb gesture to 'Well fans this Saturday.

PA

Its about time the diddies reclaimed WATP from the Orcs, if anything has been learned from the diddy fan uprising it is that we, and not them, truly are the people

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Its about time the diddies reclaimed WATP from the Orcs, if anything has been learned from the diddy fan uprising it is that we, and not them, truly are the people

Indeed- how about one better- WANP; We Are Normal People?

PA

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http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/19071813

Apologies if noted earlier, but while Beattie signing seems up-in-the-air, McCoist expects Bocanegra and Goian to stay. Both are flabergasting, but Bocanegra in particular... he has over 100 USA caps and has still been playing regularly for his country up until now.

What on earth would attract him to playing in Scotland's 4th tier (followed by ~2 more years in the lower levels)?

Bocanegra is pretty old at 33ish, and with Klnsmann in I think his time with the US national team is drawing to an end regardless of where he plays. I am kinda surprised that he didn't head back home immediately to MLS but now 2/3rds of the regular season here is gone so the MLS might not really help his chances on that front and a) he's lived in Europe a long time and may not want to go back quite yet and b) MLS transfer and salary cap rules are rather Byzantine and it may be difficult to shoehorn him in at this late date (I think he counts as an allocation player so certain teams would have priority in signing him). It should be noted that Keanes and Beckhams aside MLS wages are pretty crap.

If he wants to stay in Europe, he's in the same situation as Goian -- both are presumed to be on pretty generous contracts which carry over (at least for a time) since they accepted TUPE. They are going to be balancing the hassle of moving versus the ignominy of getting kicked around on plastic pitches. I would hope some French club comes in for Boca with an offer that makes it an easy decision for him but given his age I'm not sure that's an absolute certainty. Taking an SPL wage in exchange for permanent hero status among the Orcs and family stability may not be crazy.

It's kinda funny to me that both Goian and Bocanegra have been granted loyal soldier of Willam status on RM based on public statements that they would consider staying while not ruling anything out. In Bocanegra's case it's funny because he is reported to have negotiated a free release during the D&P wage reduction so there was absolutely no reason to NOT TUPE over, in Goians case it's funny because his public statements are thinly veiled statements that he is willing to go anywhere but has only received offers from Rumania that didn't meet his wage demands.

I'll be happy if Boca leaves and Goian stays, because the latter's contract will be a heavy burden for TCFKAR and probably represent poor value. Can anyone verify if TUPE protection can terminate prior to the end of existing contracts allowing unilateral downward revision?

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Regan speaks to the Beeb

"Regan stressed that the much-criticised plan to have Rangers play in Division One was not something devised by the SFA but had been agreed with the SPL, SFL and the club itself."

I can believe this. The SFL Board have managed to side step any flak for this and should be drummed out along with Doncaster and Regan himself. They tried to sell out the clubs and got caught out.

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