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Desperate whataboutery.

Not even very good whataboutery.

If they all lost money, didn't get any tax breaks and have to pay legal costs

then it would appear to be case closed.

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Did you even go read the article?

Here

CELTIC'S Peter Lawwell and SPL supremo Neil Doncaster were in London yesterday trying to persuade Sky to show Scottish football for EIGHT years.

The satellite TV giants had agreed to a five-year deal worth £80million but that was conditional on Old Firm matches being central to the package.

Just maybe that is why he was invited along (far cry from being hijacked) for his input into the situation.

I really should red spot you for listening he ramblings of a pish-stained alkie and buying into the paranoia he feds to the deluded Orcs ....

This is how stupid rumours start doing the rounds then become gospel in the minds of those who cannot be bothered researching the truth.

Should really be red-dotted yourself for linking to an article from the Daily Retard and proclaiming it to be the truth.:rolleyes:

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Did you even go read the article?

Here

CELTIC'S Peter Lawwell and SPL supremo Neil Doncaster were in London yesterday trying to persuade Sky to show Scottish football for EIGHT years.

The satellite TV giants had agreed to a five-year deal worth £80million but that was conditional on Old Firm matches being central to the package.

Just maybe that is why he was invited along (far cry from being hijacked) for his input into the situation.

I really should red spot you for listening he ramblings of a pish-stained alkie and buying into the paranoia he feds to the deluded Orcs ....

This is how stupid rumours start doing the rounds then become gospel in the minds of those who cannot be bothered researching the truth.

Edit: Do you honestly think the muppets at the Daily Retard would have

a) managed to find out about a secret meeting .. given their investigative skills

b) Not created a huge fanfare and 'hoohah' if they had uncovered a 'secret meeting of the minds'

Is it not more likely they were told in advance of the meeting when who and where and the agenda, so it could be reported !!

Hiya Peter!!! Hiya pal!

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Not even very good whataboutery.

If they all lost money, didn't get any tax breaks and have to pay legal costs

then it would appear to be case closed.

More than that, this was a scheme whereby the individuals attempted to use legal loopholes to reclaim tax already paid on their earnings. No club involvement here at all. Not quite the same as not paying tax and NI (Players) and not paying NI (Club).

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I hope and pray that SFA/SPL/SevCo can't come to an "agreement". The thought of having to go through all of this shit again when SevCo eventually goes tits-up gives me the boak. 

Agreement imminent, according to the BBC :rolleyes:

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Certain clubs will need to rejig for lost attendances but it won't be anything major, a player or 2 on less than usual or a player less in the squad, certainly nothing that closes the gap between the SPL and SFL.

I do hope the SPL clubs don't look for much from Newco attendances when they arrive up there, I would think most Newco fans wouldn't like to give a pound of their cash to the SPL clubs in the future.

Would suit me fine to never see another Newco / CFC fan inside SMP ever again. Unfortunately it just wont happen as we have been "promised" boycotts on numerous occasions in the past and they never materialise. Three seasons down the line I'm sure they will sell out what is a small allocation anyway more's the pity.

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I deleted my hasty post.

Yes, they are back but it's just a refresh of what was there before rather than a

new entry.

I hope.;)

eta Must pop over to OM and see what they think.

Premature hunelation is my guess.

Edited by cyderspaceman

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So Celtic are at it as well.

http://www.dailyreco...86908-23913366/

Well well well. Who would have thought that? All those hospitals that coud have been built too. Dear me.

Now do these Celtic players have their contributions docked off their wages by the club?

Not just players I believe, but also Celtic people involved in the SFA and SPL. Well well well.

Delivering judgements on others, and talking of sporting integrity.

But, of course, this has nothing to do with SPORTING integrity because it involved a group of individuals mal-investing their take home pay with no interface with the club, whereas in Rangers case it was an EMPLOYEE benefit trust that required Rangers to make payments to the club and the weight of evidence indicates it was directly tied to contract and attracting players. One is relevant to the pitch, the other is not.

Simplified Example (EBT) Rangers and Celtic are negotiating with a player and can afford to pay him £9000 a week after regular taxes Rangers offer a combined £10000 with a portion thru EBT, outlay to Rangers is the same as if offered £9000 Player signs for Rangers. Rangers garner sporting advantage through (we think) breaking the rules for EBTs

Simplified Example (player investments) Four old firm players each have £500K to invest AFTER the club has paid them properly:

Player A) invests in a dubious film finance scheme for tax advantages Player B) gives the money to charity Player C) invests in Greek Sovereign Bond Funds Player D) goes the traditional route of hookers 'n blow

Player (b) is a good person, © and (d) are broke and (a) is not as nice as (b) or ©. However, none of this has anything to do with either the club they play or sporting integrity. It has no direct impact on the pitch. A number of players and staff of a single club might plump for (a) and do the tax shelter because they are friends and they share the same accountants, but that could just as easily happen with the option to buy Greek bonds. The point is the CLUB isn't involved, and the club garners no advantage from this - even if, for the sake of argument, Neil and Hartson really quite liked avoiding taxes it wouldnt have influenced their career decisions as such schemes are portable and can be done at any club.

If Neil Lennon etc. were bitching about all the bulletproof vests for the Forces or ambulances for the NHS the Rangers hid away through EBTs then this is relevant. If you want to make a US style "role models should be perfect" argument then it's a bit relevant. But it has absolutely nothing to do with the sporting integrity argument.

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Agreement imminent, according to the BBC :rolleyes:

So, either SevCo have accepted that they are going to be punished for the double contracts, and will lose their titles. Or the SFA have lubed up to a 3rd division team and swept it under the carpet.

Either way a shitstorm is brewing.

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And there's what's wrong with Scottish football - what I hoped was a balanced post, and I'm a closet bun :( .

And as for Forfar lying down...

League Cup Semi Final 1977-78.................2-1 up with 7 minutes to go, and needed extra-time to be beaten

Scottish Cup Semi Final 1981-1982............they needed a dodgy decision and a replay to stop us knocking them out

Scottish Cup 1982-83..................................1-0 up at half-time at Ibrox before losing 2-1

Skol Cup 1986-87........................................they needed penalties to beat us

I appreciate that they have stuffed us a few times since, but not many "diddy" teams have been that close that often to beating them.

Ignore him - an earlier classic was Albion Rovers were Celtic's lapdogs at the SFA for years. Nothing to back it up, just spouting shite.

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I deleted my hasty post.

Yes, they are back but it's just a refresh of what was there before rather than a

new entry.

I hope.;)

Still no news....can't decide whether it's better they get punted now or they start the season and it all unravels in a horrible mess. The former, I think - the latter will have too much impact on proper football teams.

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No, it was an act of provocation!

naw - the provocation will be when they circle ibrox trailing green white and gold - maybe with one or two extra puffs of white for good measure.....

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Excuse me, but Team GB represent at least 2 willing parts of the United Kingdom and those of us down here in England (and I presume Wales) are willing to support them as we recognise that they represent us. They do not represent any of the bigoted bile that your average ORC spouts or believes in and for making that assumption I have given you a nice big red one. If you and your fellow Scottish fans are happy to go along with the stance that all those clever logical and morally superior administrators at the SFA have decided for you then that's fine, after all these people are beyond reproach and have shown themselves to be so over a long period of time and clearly have their finger on the pulse of Scottish football and the wishes of its fans, but don't try and politicise what is effectively now a joint English and Welsh side for your own ends.

I am "down here in England" as you put it. You dont speak for me. Have a red one.

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There is no way the SFA will take away Rangers' titles.

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So, either SevCo have accepted that they are going to be punished for the double contracts, and will lose their titles. Or the SFA have lubed up to a 3rd division team and swept it under the carpet.

Either way a shitstorm is brewing.

Somewhere in the middle I'm guessing.

As most folk have been commenting, the very fact that this is being discussed would indicate that the lube has been warming to room temperature for a while. It is absurd that there has been any negotiating going on at all. This mob ought to have been grateful to have secured a place in the SFL given all the dubiety surrounding their background and capacity to function as a proper football club at any level. For them to be in any position to negotiate terms demonstrates a woeful level of spinelessness and tawdry collusion on the part of the SFA.

Edited by Drooper

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Just been thinking.

What if rangers HAD gone to england a few years ago and were told that they had to start say in the 2nd division. Would this clusterfuck still have happened?

And if it did, do you think that the english FA would have been so "helpful" to SevCo?

I think if they had gone down south they would have really gone to town on the EBTs to try and get promotion after promotion.

But I guess if that had happened then the SPL and SFA would have still used the lube to let them back into the fold of scottish football that they were so eager to leave all those years ago.

FUCKERS!!!

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What happened in the noon press conference? Chris McL told me it was on - he works for the Beeb, he must have his finger on the pulse....rolleyes.gif

He's a total glove puppet. Never a neuron fires between his ears and his typing fingers.

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