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I'm in favour of looking at league restructuring and the removal of teams that are a drain on the rest of Scottish football and believe that a sensible approach would be to trial it out gradually. In particular, there are way too many teams playing in the Glasgow area at present and it would therefore make perfect sense just to choose a particular team in that area to be shut down. I'm not sure if there are any teams in that area that are, for example, stuck in the bottom division, are financially struggling and, if such a thing is possible, have never ever won a single trophy (or even match!) in the whole of their history, but that would seem to be to be a very good candidate...

I will second that! laugh.gif

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Right, but the difference is still marginal, and based on a deeply flawed premise. Under this hypothetically perfect model we'd have ten professional teams getting crowds of 5000 each, evenly smeared around the country, with another sixty part-time teams playing to crowds of between 10 and 30.

The best thing about a pyramid is that it would theoretically rebalance the senior teams a bit. Ayrshire is considerably under-represented by senior sides right now, for instance. There's only one of them.

South Renfrewshire having two? ;):lol:

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By the logic of the 'too many teams brigade', the clubs that go bust should be left to expire in a corner and the leagues should not re-admit them. I wonder how that would sit?

In 30 years we'd have two divisions of well-run small town sides with average crowd of 500 that can balance their books. Good or bad?

The subtext of 'too many teams', that greedy, grasping clubs like Elgin, Montrose and Annan are starving poor mites like Rangers and Celtic of vital income, is a fallacy.

Quite.

I wouldn't say we have too many teams but I would say we have too big a professional league set up in that I'd like to see two divisions of 16teams (although more likely to be 14teams) but with a regional pyramid for ALL Clubs to reach the top.

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It's now being reported that SSN have logged on to The Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread to find out what is happening.

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BBC Scotland's Brian McLauchlin: "Neither Dundee FC or Dunfermline were invited along to SPL agm to state their case for admission to top flight."

So why are Sevco represented?

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Sky have been hopeless throughout this whole saga.

Agree now there was some guy outside Hampden talking rubbish.

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Yes... the irony is that you'd likely see 'continuation clubs' in the AFC Wimbledon/FC Utd of Manchester vein started-up, while (taking the Fife United as an example) if it was playing in Dunfermline then you might struggle to replace those turned-off through the demise of the Pars with those from Kirkcaldy/Cowdenbeath/Methil.

I'd struggle to make it to Dunfermline if our clubs were ever merged (which they shouldn't be). Fife's public transport links are utterly horrific compared to the rest of Scotland. From where I stay I'd either have to take the bus for an hour and a half, or catch two trains for Dunfermline. Similarly for Cowdenbeath via train. Methil isn't even catered for by the trains. Merging any club in Scotland at the moment would be a poor decision, all our clubs have history (bar one, NewCo cool.gif) and are distinguishable.

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So why are Sevco represented?

They aren't representing Sevco, they are representing oldco. Green is a proxy for them as he was at the previous SPL meeting.

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Right, but the difference is still marginal, and based on a deeply flawed premise. Under this hypothetically perfect model we'd have ten professional teams getting crowds of 5000 each, evenly smeared around the country, with another sixty part-time teams playing to crowds of between 10 and 30.

The best thing about a pyramid is that it would theoretically rebalance the senior teams a bit. Ayrshire is considerably under-represented by senior sides right now, for instance. There's only one of them.

Aye, there's distinctly Scottish issues - in terms of population spread, tradition, crowds, quirky history of Senior/Junior football, prevalence of OF support in all towns etc - which defines how many clubs are full-time, how many come from certain areas, etc. We can't just divide England by 10.

Certainly a pyramid system would help inject the opportunity for equity.

For example there are 2 teams from Dundee but only 1 from Aberdeen and 2 from Edinburgh. There's no team from the Borders. Etc.

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Aye, there's distinctly Scottish issues - in terms of population spread, tradition, crowds, quirky history of Senior/Junior football, prevalence of OF support in all towns etc - which defines how many clubs are full-time, how many come from certain areas, etc. We can't just divide England by 10.

Certainly a pyramid system would help inject the opportunity for equity.

For example there are 2 teams from Dundee but only 1 from Aberdeen and 2 from Edinburgh. There's no team from the Borders. Etc.

Had you been at Dens on Saturday you would realise there's only one team in Dundee. Both sets of fans were claiming this. :rolleyes:

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They aren't representing Sevco, they are representing oldco. Green is a proxy for them as he was at the previous SPL meeting.

So he'll have a vote on accepting himself into something he already has a share in? :unsure::wacko:

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They aren't representing Sevco, they are representing oldco. Green is a proxy for them as he was at the previous SPL meeting.

Aren't Duff & Phelps supposed to be acting for the creditors?

How is spending billable time organising a third party to act as an agent helping the creditors of Rangers FC(IA)?

The creditors are essentially paying for Duff and Phelps to be doing work on behalf of a third party who has nothing to do with Rangers FC.

WTF?

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So he'll have a vote on accepting himself into something he already has a share in? :unsure::wacko:

Yes, it's bizarre when you think about it.

Not only could in theory his vote (proxying for OldCo) make-or-break his NewCo getting into SFL3, but his vote for Dundeee / Dunfermline could decide who they play in Challenge Cup!!

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Aye, there's distinctly Scottish issues - in terms of population spread, tradition, crowds, quirky history of Senior/Junior football, prevalence of OF support in all towns etc - which defines how many clubs are full-time, how many come from certain areas, etc. We can't just divide England by 10.

Certainly a pyramid system would help inject the opportunity for equity.

For example there are 2 teams from Dundee but only 1 from Aberdeen and 2 from Edinburgh. There's no team from the Borders. Etc.

Not just that, HJ.....its also a moving coal face in that if you went back 25years St Johnstone were a part time Club.

Am I right in saying Kilmarnock were also ?

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Am I the only one who was disappointed with Alex Thomson's contribution to this. Don't get me wrong, he was one of the good guys but based on his various cryptic tweets I always expected something more. Also when he took part in radio and TV discussions he seemed to follow the agendas being set by the presenters rather than setting the tone based upon the issues that were not being discussed in the MSM.

Interesting point.

My take on Thomson's role was that he was being passed info from someone either at the heart of the machine or from an excellent "source". Ergo, when he chose to tweet or blog he was totally secure of his information and was presenting it in such a way as to let us, the fans, know what was going on and to alert the MSM and the Succulents to the fact that someone outwith their Magic Circle and with an unimpeachable reputation was on the case. I think Tomo deliberately chose to release his information in a way that was as non-confrontational as possible. This would explain why, as GD notes, he sometimes followed other peoples agendas. Don't forget he was something of a "stranger in a strange land" and at times the story was moving / developing very quickly - he does cover other areas of news don't forget.

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Can't be arsed going back and finding the poster, but someone was talking about Sevco running out of money pretty quick in Div 3 (due to the 1m a month upkeep of Ibrox plus wages etc) Doing a quick calculation if they have 18 home games x 50000 capacity x £12 a ticket, then that's about 10.8 million. Plus sponsors, plus cup games etc. I reckon that would see them safely through the season, especially if they punt the high earners that have stayed.

Or am I missing something?

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