Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[BradHorse]

Patter's honkin' lads

[Karpaty]

Looking forward to see if Clyde release a statement tomorrow saying they didn't unvail the Sevo application plans; (how they'll finance, where they'll play, etc etc)

[P45]

@STVGrant: It would be a massive "leap of faith" for SFL clubs to allow newco Rangers into First Division. And that's just one reason why they won't.

[Sam Leitch Loyal]

Tomorrow I find out if the Scottish Cup Final 2012 is to be my last involvement in the Scottish game.

Are you Ian Black?

[Sam Leitch Loyal]

However a previous online poll showed that 100's of fans wanted them in division 3.

That was an open poll which anyone could vote on.

[Savage Henry]

I think they have,,their threats of boycotts of clubs who wouldn't vote for them ,their threats of the panel of three,their going to court bringing the game into disrepute,their endless scaremongering that we will all perish without them.

You can hardly blame them for that. And indeed, they are hardly alone in doing that, are they, Fatty Traynor, if you are reading?

[P45]

John Bomber Brown ‏@johnbomberbrown

Meeting on Sunday 15 July Dakota Eurocentral 2pm changed to Thistle Glasgow 2pm. Only TWO fans reps per club permitted entry. Please RT

He'd be better waiting until after tomorrow's vote. Green might just hand it over for nothing.

[rustyarabnuts]

Three Total Wankers.

This insult is sponsored by the Arab Dyslexia Society.

I too have dailysex

[Mybitchunderprotest]

I'm more of the Willow persuasion - bored now, just kill them!

Awarded a Charles on the strength of the Buffy reference. sad as fuck I know.

edited for a spelling catastrophe/typo

Edited July 12, 2012 by Mybitchunderprotest

[cyderspaceman]

What If There’s No Santa?

“If Santa knows that you’re being bad, you’ll not get any presents on Christmas Day.”

Were any of us not subjected to that threat at some point in our childhood?

What a brilliant way to keep someone in line! Invent a myth, keep repeating it until you convince your weans that it’s true and then use it to manipulate them according to your wishes. As a child, I sometimes wondered about the logistics of this remarkable operation. We all did. The whole world? In one night? Presents for every single well-behaved child? All carried on one sleigh? Seriously?

It seemed that something didn’t quite add up here but wherever I looked, everyone confirmed the reality of Santa. Parents, relatives, neighbours, teachers, random strangers all had their stories straight. Television programmes and adverts, grottos in department stores, pictures on billboards, songs on the radio, each provided further evidence that nobody except me had even noticed any of the inherent inconsistencies about this extraordinary person and his work.

Why don’t all the starving children in Africa ask for enough food to keep them alive? If his elves are making all these toys themselves, how come they look exactly the same as the ones in the shops? What’s the point of the shops trying to sell Air-fix Lancaster bomber model kits or Subbuteo sets if everyone can get one for nothing? It didn’t make sense.

On the other hand, I had a suspicion that it might be unwise to express too much scepticism. It might even cost me a train set.

By all accounts, only people who actually believed in Santa got presents from him. It finally came to the point when I not only knew beyond reasonable doubt that Santa must be a myth; I also realised that I had been surrounded by liars for years. But no sooner had I become cognisant of the Great Deception than the liars invited me to join their conspiracy. There were younger siblings and cousins who had to remain deceived and it wouldn’t do for me to blow the whistle. I calculated that by publicly maintaining the pretence that I believed in Santa, I might be able to raise the stakes for next Christmas. It was to be a red bicycle or else.

(At this point I must apologise to any readers who hadn’t yet heard the bad news that there is no Santa. If it’s any consolation, Graham Speirs knew this three weeks ago before anyone else although he didn’t bother to write about it. In any case, in a few months time the Daily Record will claim that it was the first to break the story.)

As with the Santa myth, so with the Rangers myths. One of the recurring myths is that Rangers are a financial powerhouse, an economic engine which supplies Scottish football with huge revenues upon which almost every club is almost totally reliant. According to myth, even Celtic need Rangers.

Celtic have long since grown up and don’t believe in Rangers so they have dismissed that myth. Many other clubs, however, are holding out for a red bicycle. Some will settle for a train set. So long as they are compliant and believe in Rangers, they’ll get something for nothing in defiance of all logic.

Over the course of the last decade, the mighty Rangers economic powerhouse ran itself into the ground. If the tax authorities know anything about taxes – and it seems to me to be a reasonable starting assumption that they know quite a lot – we can go on to assume that when Rangers crashed into oblivion, the hole they were in was about £140 million deep. In truth it is even deeper.

On top of the money owed to hundreds of creditors there are previous matters to consider. In 2004, the mythical billionaire Minty Moonbeams reportedly squirted a £51.4 million pound “injection” into Rangers simmering accounts after a rights issue was formulated to reduce the club’s then £73.9 million debt. In truth, the attempt to raise capital was a catastrophic failure and Murray MHL Limited, which had underwritten the share issue, was obliged to take the hit. In effect, all that happened was that some paperwork was signed so that a £50 million debt to HBOS was shifted sideways from one basket case Murray business in Ibrox to another, even worse one in Edinburgh.

The debt was never paid back before HBOS croaked. It was subsequently picked up by the tax-payer as part of Gordon Brown’s £37 billion rescue package to maintain the lifestyles of corrupt, fraudulent banksters and their cronies. We’re now getting close to £200 million of Rangers damage to other parties. But say nothing. There might be a red bicycle in it for you.

Meanwhile, despite running up the longest series of consecutive 0-3 defeats in the history of football, Rangers were awarded the championship titles on five occasions during this period, thus enabling the SPL to divert millions of pounds of prize money away from the rightful league winners and into the colossal overdraft of the mythical economic powerhouse. The SFA, hoping for a red bicycle, duly notified UEFA that Rangers would represent Scotland in the Champions league in the following season. Tens of millions of pounds worth of prize money would never reach the club which had really earned that place by playing the game according to the rules.

Five seasons of SPL and Champions League prize money take the damage up to the quarter of a billion pound mark. Yet the economic powerhouse still went bust.

There have been other substantial cash investments from dubious sources. Dave King still faces hundreds of charges of fraud, tax evasion and money-laundering in South Africa on an industrial scale. At the last count, I made it 322 charges in all. The money laundering activities relate to drugs-running operations, illegal arms deals, child pornography and a host of other unwholesome activities. Fortunately for Rangers, £25 million of the proceeds of those disgusting enterprises found its way into Dick Advocat’s warchest. Red bicycles for everyone who sees no connection.

In 1992, Joe Lewis made his fortune by launching an all out attack on the UK’s currency reserves which cost the nation a minimum of £3.4 billion pounds on Black Wednesday. To balance up the damage done to the economy, Lewis dribbled £40 million into Ibrox economic powerhouse. Red bicycles for everyone who believes forty million pounds minus three point four billion pounds equals a positive balance. No need to show your working; just believe.

And on and on and on.

Just over a year ago, Chief Constable of Strathclyde Police Stephen House was so convinced by the magnitude of Rangers’ contribution to society that he dominated the news headlines for days with his calls for ‘Old Firm’ games to be played behind closed doors or even banned altogether. Police Federation Spokesman, Les Gray, repeatedly rammed home a similar message that the country could no longer afford to bear the financial cost to the police, A&E, ambulance services and so on.

Ignore all that and collect your red bicycle on Christmas Day.

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A slight digression:

There are different methods which can be employed to control a system. Those who want to direct the behaviour of others have a number of options which range from reasoned, enlightened consensus to brutal, violent oppression. In practice, most systems are operated along the lines of one of the other options in between these extremes. The best and most efficient way for human beings to prosper together is within a co-operative, consensual group which is founded on mutual trust and respect. This has been demonstrated and proved in countless studies yet the notion is regularly undermined and dismissed.

It’s important to recognise that this co-operative model struggles to gain acceptance purely because we live in a society that is dominated by a Psychopathic Control Grid (PCG). The PCG embraces government, banking and financial systems, the military, corporate industry, the media, the advertising industry and the education system. It is utterly dependent upon its ability to control, manipulate and exploit the rest of us. To this end, it creates myths which require us to suspend our critical faculties in order to accept them.

It is clearly not in the self-interest of the type of parasites who hold positions of power within the Psychopathic Control Grid to encourage us to believe that we don’t need them. They prefer to promulgate myths such as the Survival Of The Fittest, create unnecessary confrontations and frighten us with imaginary threats from which they will “protect” us by restricting our options. The fact still remains that we are all better off when we are co-operating with each other instead of allowing ourselves to be exploited by abusers. But a smokescreen of misinformation and distortion of the true picture creates uncertainty and confusion. The Roman occupation can continue indefinitely for as long as the People’s Front of Judea argue with the Judean People’s Front, the Judean Popular People’s Front, the Campaign for a Free Galilee, and the Popular Front of Judea.

A fundamental, practical weakness of a tyrannical approach, backed by brute force, is that it is hopelessly inefficient. The overwhelming majority of those involved in such a system understand that they are being mercilessly exploited but even those who expect to emerge as winners ultimately find that their own position is insecure and constantly under threat. They are constantly running up the down escalator just to maintain position and know that will be swept back to the bottom if they ever ease up. Nevertheless, this inhuman Babylonian model is still the one which comes most naturally to a psychopath. It’s in widespread use, whether in the context of an abusive family unit, a Mafia-style organisation or an entire Police State.

In the most successful and more sophisticated variations of the model, people’s sense of their own worth is chronically undermined by a relentless tide of psychological assaults designed to rob them of confidence, security and perception. This approach reduces the need for the controllers to resort to outright physical oppression. Words themselves lose their meaning; a peace-keeping force consists almost entirely of trained warriors who are armed to the teeth; austerity measures require tens of millions of pounds to be paid to the people who collapsed the economy; rebels and insurgents are people who are trying to kick occupying forces from distant continents out of their homelands; and sporting integrity is a system whereby the biggest cheats in the history of British football are effectively given a guarantee that they will win their next league campaign, even if the rule book has to be scrapped to make it happen. There is such an overwhelming, never-ending bombardment of lies, deceits and affronts to decency that it becomes harder and harder for anyone to stand up confidently, point to the truth and say, “There it is!”

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Regardless of all that, here is the truth.

The SFL and SFA, amongst others, have dedicated themselves to the perpetuation of the Rangers Myth.

They worship at the shrine of a fake god which they have created themselves. They warn of dire consequences if puny mortals fail to venerate this mighty deity. They sacrifice honour, justice and honesty at the altar of their idol. They glorify their god through acts of bare-faced hypocrisy, blatant match-fixing and stinking corruption.

For red bicycles and Santa, read SPL money and television.

For Rudolf defying the laws of aerodynamics, read Rangers defying the fundamentals of economics.

Just as Santa could only complete his night’s work by travelling faster than the speed of light, contrary to every principle of physics, so Zombie **** can only compete in Scottish football if every inconvenient rule is deliberately broken and every sporting principle is ignored.

To those who staunchly, defiantly believe in Rangers, despite all the evidence, this is as straightforward as believing in Santa Claus.

They just have to ignore the overwhelming proofs that what they want to believe cannot possibly be true. They’ll see one club recklessly spending everyone else’s money and they’ll call it generating revenue. They’ll see tax evasion, fraud and cheating but they’ll call it financial might, vision and dignity. They must wilfully ignore that even when the now-defunct club was at its most successful it still sucked far more money out of society than it put in.

They are determined to perpetuate the myth of Rangers for the sake of a red bicycle.

But the facts are laid bare for all to see. Zombie ****, and Rangers before them, are no more a linchpin of a successful, solvent, sustainable Scottish football set-up than a letter to Santa is a solution to the banking crisis.

http://henryclarson.wordpress.com/

Socialist Standard thread for this, I won't call it pish as I agree wholeheartedly.

[HibeeJibee]

My link

Seriously those are a joke.

Do the SFA think that these laughable proposals will suddenly change the mind of the decent clubs?

I can see Hutton wiping his arse with in then slamming it into the Brechin chairman's ugly Newco loving face.

Aye, but £1M, and 2/5 directors!!

[bennett]

Did you not resign from these forums?

Nope.

[cyderspaceman]

I don't see why they can't stand for election to the third division. In fact, I don;t think they've done anything to merit their total destruction as an entity, much as I would like it.

Hmmm..........I see you're in a lodge..........

[itzdrk]

whats going on here, not been able to keep up with the thread, someone txt earlier saying ayr had changed their stance but i cant find aything about it & STV had us in the no list on the news.

wind up i assume ?

[GunnerBairn]

Well tomorrow is D-day and it's been a long journey for this monster thread.

We're in for an almighty crash tomorrow and whichever way it happens I hope Scottish Football is the better for it. Hang on to yer hats, it's going to get bumpy...

[bennett]

I think they have,,their threats of boycotts of clubs who wouldn't vote for them ,their threats of the panel of three,their going to court bringing the game into disrepute,their endless scaremongering that we will all perish without them.

Going to court over an unlawful decision, shockarooney

The only talk of boycotts from us would have been if were kept in the SPL just for the benefit of others instead of having to apply to join SFL3, basically the same thing that SPL fans have campaigned so long and hard for.

The Scaremongering is coming mainly from SPL clubs like Motherwell and Killie to name a couple, as well as regan and Doncaster .

Facts and Celtic fans

[HeartsOfficialMoaner]

It seems a fair point. Theyre just highlighting that the SFL are being asked to vote in a Club which nobody knows anything about. So presumably SFA, the governing body, will be able to give Longmuir the required information so a reasoned decision can be met? If not, that's why theyre being asked to take a leap of faith & there's a case to say theyre being very generous that they might consider it, but only for Division 3. So that if this new Club cant complete their fixtures or whatever, at least it wont be a league higher up. Really, any doubt, shouldnt be any league

I hope the SFA and SPL recognize the massive favour theyre getting if they are voted back in without required info !

Rangers fans are not backing Green so why should anyone else?

[Fly Cup]

I wish Goodwin was on Twitter so I could send him abuse directly rather than just on an internet forum.

Just so long as you're safe behind a keyboard either way though eh?

You're my hero.

[wunfellaff]

Going to court over an unlawful decision, shockarooney

The only talk of boycotts from us would have been if were kept in the SPL just for the benefit of others instead of having to apply to join SFL3, basically the same thing that SPL fans have campaigned so long and hard for.

The Scaremongering is coming mainly from SPL clubs like Motherwell and Killie to name a couple, as well as regan and Doncaster .

Facts and Celtic fans

You couldn't be kept in the SPL as yer deid.

Facts and Rangers (transferring to Sevco under Take Ur Proddy Eejits) fans

[FrugalNory]

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Rangers fans are not backing Green so why should anyone else?

Because he has smashing hair for a man of his age. That's a deal breaker.