AsimButtHitsASix Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Bit of a random one here, but with Dundee or Dunfermline going up and Rangers coming into either Div 1 or Div 3, will the Ramsdens Challenge Cup draw need redone? Both Dundee and Dunfermline are in the North/East half of the draw whereas Rangers would presumably need to be in the South/West. I think Zombie Rangers would just take Dundee/Dunfermline's place. Alright it might be a hell of a trip up to Elgin (or down to Glasgow) but any club drawn against them will get a few bob out of it. Would it not also be Nuevo Rangers first competitive game? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyB Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Bit of a random one here, but with Dundee or Dunfermline going up and Rangers coming into either Div 1 or Div 3, will the Ramsdens Challenge Cup draw need redone? Both Dundee and Dunfermline are in the North/East half of the draw whereas Rangers would presumably need to be in the South/West. There are some huge journeys in the draw which clubs will presumably need to book coaches for and PT players will need to arrange time off their work, and the first round is only 20 days away now. Or if they just put Rangers in the North/East in place of DFC/DAFC, are Forfar or Brechin prepared for an invasion of Orcs potentially up in their numbers to show defiance? Would these games need to be ticketed? We really should have had answers a long time ago Doesn't matter, the diddies will have to sort it out. The only problem that any of the authorities care about is Newco. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 What the f*ck are we gonnae do ? Shinty? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrshireTon Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 What the f*ck are we gonnae do ? Persuade the SFL Chairmen to vote "No" to point number 1. Everyone moves up a place in the league, and the only place available is in Division 3. Anyone can then apply for it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoss Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Right, we need to keep up the pressure on the clubs. Quick suggestion - it's just been observed to me that there is no co-ordinated action here, while lots of people have been very active everything is a bit haphazard. Similarly, all the information about where each club stands, who to contact etc etc is either scattered across different threads or lost in the depths of this one which no one can really plough through. So, the suggestion is that we create a web page - quick paragraph on each club outlining their official positions (or unofficial, if not available), plus details of who to email. And then a general suggestion of what sort of thing to say. Anyone got any time to spare? I could make a couple of hours this afternoon to gather up some of the relevant info. Be quicker if we can have two or three people maybe do a division each. And then - does anyone have webspace and the means to put something up on line if we can provide the text? (I'm about to pop into work for a bit but can reply to PMs in another half hour or so if anyone is interested and able to help.) Thank you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 And then - does anyone have webspace and the means to put something up on line if we can provide the text? Maybe I'm missing something, but don't you write for a popular football blog? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFC1973 Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 What magazine was that from ? One of our supporters took it from the Scotsman newspaper website. Waiting the URL link, if it IS FAKE i will remove it. still even if it is FAKE, wonder why a striker of that quality left VERY quickly from the mighty sevco5088 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Maybe I'm missing something, but don't you write for a popular football blog? Maybe I'm missing something but isn't P+B the most popular Scottish football website? DIV! GET IT SORTED! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 (edited) still even if it is FAKE, wonder why a striker of that quality left VERY quickly from the mighty sevco5088 Everyone wonders that. (And he didn't leave quickly: he faded out quickly, and then sat on the bench collecting a huge wage for the duration of his contract. Then failed to ever reproduce that form for the rest of his career.) The difference is that most people aren't stupid enough to pass on as authentic the first piece of nonsense that affirms their own personal prejudices. Congratulations on all your greenies, though. Edited July 8, 2012 by Thumper 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyB Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 The SPL clubs have 'done the right thing' on the understanding that SFL clubs will be blackmailed into doing the wrong thing. SPL club fans who bought up season tickets after their clubs declared their voting intentions, have been tricked. I don't blame the fans for it at all, but that's what's happened here. . Agree. I suspect this to be the case with the SPL clubs given assurances that it would be 'sorted' with Newco having a place in the SPL after 1-year. After all, is this not what has been said with it being either SFL1 or SPL2 being the only options for Newco? The SPL clubs have ensured that they satisfied their own fans and passed the difficult decision to the SFL and let them face the consequences of fans boycotting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoss Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Maybe I'm missing something, but don't you write for a popular football blog? Good point, I do, but it's not my blog and I don't think it would be appropriate for me to use it directly for such campaigning. I think a dedicated page would be better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 (edited) From my reading of the document - and my brain is very small - the SFL clubs are voting on whether or not to let Sevco into the SFL. If they say "aye" the SFA/SFL blazers will decide which league. As the French say: "The more things change the more they stay the same." Well in that case a naw is the only possible vote. I'd rather have the Newco in the SPL than the first division. I've obviously missed a couple of days of news, but how can that possibly be in keeping with any SFL/SFA rules? Edited to add; I know it's been a couple of days, but Leggo has reached new levels of insanity. Apparently, everything is working out precisely the way Alastair McCoist planned it. But it is what he is getting. Thanks, in the main to Alastair McCoist.Even though Charles Green had surrendered to Lawwell and agreed to bend over and take all the punishments Lawwell wants to inflict on Rangers, McCoist showed the old Rangers fighting spirit.Though the morally correct decision, the decision which would have protected the personal integrity of the SPL chairmen, would have been to welcome Rangers back to the top flight with no sanctions. The last line is just bewildering. Edited July 8, 2012 by Savage Henry 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 how can that possibly be in keeping with any SFL/SFA rules? Apparently there's nothing in the statutes to suggest that newly-voted members actually have to start in the third. It's just the convention that, well, every club has used for over a hundred years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 (edited) Not if the SFL clubs elect Rangers into the third. I don't see the first division as a fair accompli at all. Where is the evidence that it's a done deal? Others have ansewred you, but the invitation to Friday's meeting for SFL clubs says that they'll get to vote on admitting Newco to the SFL. The board will then decide to put them in either the 3rd or the 1st, dependent on whether the SPL meet their conditions re play-offs etc. It is a fait accompli. The fact that you seem to have missed this doesn't alter it. Edited July 8, 2012 by Monkey Tennis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Stramash Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 (edited) Fair enough...sounded like it could be true though. Like these guys. The audio sounded as though it was recorded indoors although they're standing outdoors? Just wondering. But, to be honest, this is pretty tame. I've seen and heard a lot worse when I was a youth at Ibrox. Turned me right off Glasgow football altogether. The obsession with religion and ancient Irish history has no place in Scotland. If any re-formed Rangers turns out to be a new gathering point for sectarian bigots and uber-British BNP types, it's doomed. It'll never have my support, and I'm guessing many others who traditionally followed the Gers will switch off too. There are plenty of proper Scottish teams outside Glasgow - who are pround of the Saltire and who don't get hung up on colour, religion or race. Edited July 8, 2012 by Danish Pastry 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 (edited) Apologies for posting a Daily Heil link, but I think this article sums up the situation very well. http://www.dailymail...ck-Collins.html No room for cheats Deluded: Stewart Regan At the risk of intruding upon private grief, it would seem that demotion to the Scottish Third Division is the very least of the penalties which Rangers should expect for their sustained exercise in financial doping. However, Stewart Regan, the chief executive of the Scottish FA, is trenchantly opposed to such a punishment. He pleads for the softer option of relegation to the Scottish First Division, apparently on the grounds that Rangers are too big to fail. Indeed, he has issued preposterous warnings of 'Armageddon' and 'social unrest' if the club should get what they truly deserve. Rangers in the Third Division, warns Mr Regan, would 'kill the game' in Scotland. I suspect he is mistaken, for civilised sanctions will not kill the Scottish game. That task can safely be left to systematic cheats like Rangers. And deluded prattlers like Stewart Regan. Edited July 8, 2012 by Sherrif John Bunnell 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chazza1910 Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 There's greater precedence in the SPL period for a club getting to stay up rather than there is for 2 up. The get Dundee up campaign isn't dignified either. Dunfermline can have the SPL place as far as I'm concerned. I'd feel better about it that way rather than getting the usual barbs thrown at us. Honestly, i mean that. Too little time to prepare for it all now. And, dare I say it, life in the First ain't all bad. And where's the campaign to get Dundee up? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 There are plenty of proper Scottish teams outside Glasgow - who are pround of the Saltire and who don't get hung up on colour, religion or race. Naw we're naw. We're all just **** or **** without the bus fare and don't matter at all... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraser_smfc Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 If there is an expansion of the SPL and a total restructuring of the game to be gained and fairer distribution of the money in the game that could be a starting point for the future, however, that should happen as a matter of course, not as some last ditch attempt to buy Sevco's presence in the top tier of the SFL. This paragraph essentially hits the nail on the head regarding the issue of restructuring. Let's say for instance that Rangers DO end up in SFL 3, we will then be able to see whether restructuring is a serious offer, or whether it was shamelessly used as a bribe to corrupt our game. If restructuring is taken off the table in this scenario then this whole charade goes beyond secret whispers and allegations, it should become a full on investigation into the corruption at the top of our game by UEFA, the police, whoever. On the subject of a boycott, I have been torn between two viewpoints for months. I fluctuate between not wanting to watch my team in a corrupt league system which no longer constitutes as sport, and then my heart kicks in and it dawns on me I could never abandon my club. I know it's not for the greater good, but for me it would be biting off my nose to spite my face. I would be severing ties with a huge part of my life, purely to prove a point to a bunch of corrupt suits. Higher powers will get them in the end, but my club will exist long beyond that. What a fucking sorry state of affairs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 I'm away to read the Real Leigh Griffiths Blog from start to finish to remind me Scottish Football might be worth saving 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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