Fife Saint Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Right, I've had enough now. Many times over the last few months, we've been returning to two evergreen questions: 1. What are we all going to do when our game is finally killed? And 2. Who's going to write the BRALT book? Weeeellllll, I'm probably going to regret this(and Mrs WRK will NOT be happy), but I'm willing to give it a go. Thing is, I don't get to that many games due to distance/time/finance/commitments, so even if I do get a ST for RP I'll have some spare time when this all finally implodes one way or the other. I don't play golf, and I am NOT traipsing round B&Q every weekend. My plan is to split the whole sorry affair into chunks (probably a month or so at a time). First chunk, the backstory and the initial Valentine's present of all those weeks (and posts) ago. But I would like a little help...... If any of you have a favourite Traynorism, Spenceytweet, or P&B post, pm me with the post number. I intend this to be a document showing the coming together of some of the most enthusiastic, honest,and motivated fans it's been my pleasure to share a forum with. Sure, I'd like to get the whole thing published eventually, but for now I'd just like, one chunk at a time, to create an informative, affirmative and, I hope, funny chronicle as a present (yeah, that does mean free!) to you all. And that includes at least one of the No. 8's.... Soooooo...... As I say, first things first.Anything that sticks out from the first fortnight or so? Let me know and I'll try and work it in. Obviously the thread itself shows no sign of petering out, and I can't promise a happy ending, but they finished painting the Forth Bridge recently, so anything's possible! "probably going to regret this"? I think I'm already regretting it. I have set up a pnb email account so my regular one doesn't get swamped. Please feel free to help, or not - I can go through the whole thing myself, but this is for all of us. We made it happen, afterall..... Sorry, what the f**k? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Dogma Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Until. Spl chairmen provide a detailed p and l sheet actually detailling how the loss of newco Would destroy them based on loss of two visits a season from the thugs...and there is definitive proof that sky and all other broadcasters are offski the frankly the doom mongers should be regarded as liars 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungolfin Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 SPL Chairmen are playing a blinder, say they'll vote no then a wave of fans snap up season tickets then they keep the vote delayed until the very last minute, then say circumstances have changed and for the best interests of our club we simply have to vote yes. The 'boycot' from the fans would then be pointless as most will have paid for their tickets anyways, and then there would be a full season for the fans feelings to have calmed down, of which they eventually will and everything goes along as normal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somner`s love child Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 75% to change SFL rules - if needed to get them into SFL1 50% to vote any applicant into SFL 3 vacancy. Percentages of votes cast not of total SFL Club membership but rules apparently require everyone to vote (unless agreed prior that conflicted). The argument their team of lawyers seems to have come up with is that they`ll only need over 50% to gain entry (as did Annan etc) and that they are actualy as entitled to apply for SFL1 as they are for SFL3. Just that no-one in the past ever envisaged a situation where any team would have the sheer brass neck to try to bypass two leagues. I know this sounds crazy but the legal advice seems to have proven a case that the SFL were`nt sufficiently explicit in the rules regarding league admission. In short, they`re trying to take advantage of the lack of small print. The 75% vote seems only to be applicable where a change in the league`s rules and constitution is taking place. Sevco`s only requirement is SFA membership so there`s no breach of existing rules. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustyarabnuts Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Just had a look at the UEFA rule book, Article 7 para 2 on page 4 could be interpreted as saying that sponsorship money and broadcasting money should not be taken into consideration on decisions affection any competitiion rules and qualification. and article 51 para 3 on page 23 basically state that Newco just ain't allowed in. Failure to comply with UEFA rules could get Scottish fitba stopped for good, IE no Euro competition for any clubs and no National team. Source: http://www.uefa.com/...03_DOWNLOAD.pdf SFA, SPL and SFL will have to be careful about this. article 8 para 3 b 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macshimmy Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 So. Where we at? SFL vote on 14th now incorporating a nice wee march? SPL vote due tomorrow, but looks likely to be suspended due to "lack of clarity" or somesuch. SFA doing its best to live up to its moniker, its last officially verified non-retracted statement was on the 24th of April. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastspider Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 All these cancellations that SKY are getting ,must be having an effect just had an email from them saying increase in subscription from !st sep , up £3.50 a month. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFC1973 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Just had a look at the UEFA rule book, Article 7 para 2 on page 4 could be interpreted as saying that sponsorship money and broadcasting money should not be taken into consideration on decisions affection any competitiion rules and qualification. and article 51 para 3 on page 23 basically state that Newco just ain't allowed in. Failure to comply with UEFA rules could get Scottish fitba stopped for good, IE no Euro competition for any clubs and no National team. Source: http://www.uefa.com/...03_DOWNLOAD.pdf SFA, SPL and SFL will have to be careful about this. and this is the rules the SFA&SPL donkeys want to break just to keep rangers in top flight... NOW if FIFA & UEFA do not act, then does that mean SKY can dictate who stays up in ALL leagues they cover? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broccoli Dog Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 JUST DIE ALREADY 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBairn Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Until. Spl chairmen provide a detailed p and l sheet actually detailling how the loss of newco Would destroy them based on loss of two visits a season from the thugs...and there is definitive proof that sky and all other broadcasters are offski the frankly the doom mongers should be regarded as liars Spot on. Everything up til now has been hot wind and bluster. There hasn't been a financial document produced because noone from the authorities have the slightest gumption on how to create one. The entire argument is based on cheap threats with no foundation. The test is how gullible the SFL Chairmen are? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz FFC Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) There's a line in that BBC piece about postponing the SPL vote to await the outcome of the SFL one. How is that possible? Surely there can't be an SFL vote until Newco are denied access to the SPL? Call me crazy here (i've been called worse) but here's what i think is happening. In our world the SPL should reject them 1st then the SFL decide 1 or 3. What is about to happen though is the SPL are waiting until the SFL decide 1 or 3 and from that decide if they want to rescue Rangers. Basically the SPL clubs were happy to reject Rangers for 1 year and please fans by rejecting the swaperoo. 3 years and the SPL arse fell out. The solution is the SFL keep delaying their vote SPL style. Eventually someone has to blink. Edited July 3, 2012 by Gaz FFC 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Sorry, what the f**k? I just feel as if we've all been part of something momentous here, and I'm volunteering to produce some kind of record of the whole thing. An event like this deserves a wider audience, and a lot of the contributors deserve recognition. Hey, if there's no interest, I suppose I could take up online poker or something.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow-sheep Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I've been so fixed on No to Newco in the SPL and on getting them sent to the 3rd at best I've missed what perhaps was an obvious point. Allowing them into the First Division is the worst of all possible scenarios. The only reason for putting them in the First is to ensure they end up in the SPL the following season via either promotion or league reconstruction. This blatant gerrymandering and league fixing is actually more abhorrent than simply letting them into the SPL and insisting on several sanctions, including signing ban, football debts and promising to say 10 hail marys before bed time. There is absolutely no merit what so ever in the First Div option, it doesn't even make it look like they have been suitably "punished". It actually makes the league even more pathetic and embarrassing than just carrying on as if nothing much has happened. I see now where Turnbull Hutton was coming from. The SPL are an even bigger bag of shitesters than I realised. SPL have some balls and either admit them to the SPL or allow the SFL to admit them(if they wish) to the 3rd. 1st Div just abdicates any responsibility what so ever. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnstoun Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 My plan is to split the whole sorry affair into chunks (probably a month or so at a time). First chunk, the backstory and the initial Valentine's present of all those weeks (and posts) ago. But I would like a little help...... A series of summaries could go: Actually happening: Rangers on brink of catastrophe Traynorworld: Super Ally to sign World Cup winner with £5billion warchest A timeline of events versus Traynor's / The Record's daily helpings of fantasy and bullshit would be both hilarious and damning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Might wanna add Brown McMaster ex-Thistle chairman to that list since he moved his "free" Thistle shares to his family when he went in the huff to Stenny. Guilty M'lud From Thommos blog but it quotes the SFA rulebook I looked at...... And so to the rulebook. Well, the Scottish Football Association rules state that: “Except with the prior written consent of the Board, no Member, Associate Member or Official, may at one time either directly or indirectly:- 21.1.1 hold or seek to acquire beneficial ownership of or deal in the shares or securities of another club; or 21.1.2 be a member or shareholder of, or lender in any capacity to, more than one club…” Along the corridor at Hampden Park, the Scottish Football Association handbook says pretty much the same things. And in the rules there is the rider that owning less than a 3 per cent total share value is OK. We are talking about way less than 1 – let alone 3 – per cent in these cases. The rules also state that having family members owning shares means they are treated as associates. That is, you’re all one in the eyes of the SFA and the SFL rulebook. Transferring shares from, say, Campbell Ogilvie to his wife would make no difference at all in law. Presumably Mr Ogilvie knew all this – he’s widely seen as an expert in football regulation 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz FFC Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 JUST DIE ALREADY I get the impression this monster is going to die of natural causes and not someone having the studs to inflict the fatal blow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Tom English called it right when he said Rangers should have to apply to get into the 3rd Division and anyone who suffers as a result of that, hard lines. The Scottish game has been on its last legs for donkeys. Putting them anywhere else would just be sweeping the chronic failures of our game under the carpet yet again. I won't put another single penny of my money into the game if they get in above us after all they've done. No chance 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustyarabnuts Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 So. Where we at? SFL vote on 14th now incorporating a nice wee march? SPL vote due tomorrow, but looks likely to be suspended due to "lack of clarity" or somesuch. SFA doing its best to live up to its moniker, its last officially verified non-retracted statement was on the 24th of April. its on the 12th july , 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broccoli Dog Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I get the impression this monster is going to die of natural causes and not someone having the studs to inflict the fatal blow. I was actually referring to the SPL (and the Scottish league in general). Can't we just raze it all to the ground and build something better in its place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz FFC Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Quick observation... Punishing sevco is working out as more a punishment for a select few clubs in the SFL and SPL. Even though some clubs have done nothing wrong they face future problems, meanwhile sevco 1 day may return to the SPL minus the massive debt and with angry bears wanting revenge on all who punished them. This stinks to high heaven, maybe the clubs should remember this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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