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Just fired this off to PTFC, for all the good it'll do...and yes it does make me sound like a bit of a twat but I'm not very good at the whole "disgruntled of Tunbridge Wells" thing :lol:

Dear PTFC

I write regarding Mr Beattie's comments regarding the Rangers situation which have been published in the Daily Record and the Evening Times.

As a lifelong supporter of Partick Thistle I find the thought that PTFC could be complicit in a Rangers "newco" being parachuted into next year's SFL1 deeply alarming. The chairman is quite right when he says that this is a massive opportunity for Scottish football to change, but if, as the newspapers suggest, he is is claiming that demoting Rangers by a single division would be a just punishment for decades of cheating and financial mismanagement then he is deeply mistaken.

Rangers FC have, it appears, been systematically cheating the rest of Scottish football for as long as many of us can remember. Indeed, it has since emerged that every single member of the Rangers team that defeated Thistle 3-0 in the 2002 Scottish Cup Semi Final were members of the now infamous EBT scheme. The thought that Thistle fans were cheated of what could well be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to see their club in a Scottish cup final is not one that I will easily forget. Nor should it be forgotten that Rangers have now defaulted on an estimated £100m worth of debts---debts to other football clubs, to the taxman, and to hundreds of small Scottish businesses. Rangers have systematically cheated every single Scottish club, and every single Scottish supporter, over at least a decade. To suggest that demoting them by one division would be a "just" punishment is laughable. Getting demoted to the SFL1 is what should happen when you finish bottom of the SPL, not what should happen when you have been caught defrauding everyone with any interest in the Scottish game.

Sporting integrity must be at the heart of Scottish football. Without it, instead of a professional sports setup we would be left with a corrupt farce more akin to professional wrestling, with the sole difference being that the administrators of WWE wrestling at least have the decency not to pretend that the game isn't rigged in favour of a select few. If Partick Thistle are willing to sell the integrity of the Scottish game in return for a handful of Rangers' tarnished silver then that would be unforgivable. Were that scenario to come to pass, I for one would have to consider long and hard as to whether or not I could return to Firhill and, having spoken to my fellow supporters, I know that many of them feel the same way. A newco Rangers might be a short-term gravy train for Partick Thistle but what price to the club in the long term if lifelong supporters walk away?

It may be, of course, that Mr Beattie has been misquoted by the Record and the Evening Times and has no intention of allowing a newco Rangers to escape a *truly* just punishment. I hope that this is the case.

Yours,

Nice.

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If the SFL allow "Rangers" in to div 1, then I'm finished with Scottish fitba. End of. I'd prefer to be in the 2nd rather than the 1st next season, so losing out on promotion by default as a result is irrelevant.

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What a fucking pathetic, short-sighted view to take. So this clown is willing to put Scottish football back in the exact same state within a year for the sake of £250k? What a fucking whore.

pretty much sums up my feelings of this c*ntmad.gif

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What if they can get a playoff? The SFL have been screwed over quite a lot by the SPL. They now have a negotiating position. Bumping Rangers into the 3rd might be the just thing to do but longer term benefits might be available. Larger annual settlement being one of those things.

The SFL may never have a more powerful position to negotiate from. Remember last season there was a proposal for the SPL to basically take over the SFL. This could be a massive opportunity to change the relationship between the leagues.

Once The Rangers have been rejected by the SPL the SFL can then say we are not accepting The Rangers in.

Who do you think holds all the aces in that scenario?

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Why do we have so many sports "journalists" in Scotland?

Glasgow Caledonian University is the answer.

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What a fucking pathetic, short-sighted view to take. So this clown is willing to put Scottish football back in the exact same state within a year for the sake of £250k? What a fucking whore.

That's 1000 fans over 1 season, how many you going to drive away with this Beattie?? 1 here for a start and if you vote for this and it comes through invest in a padlock cause you'll have driven the fans away and killed the club

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What if they can get a playoff? The SFL have been screwed over quite a lot by the SPL. They now have a negotiating position. Bumping Rangers into the 3rd might be the just thing to do but longer term benefits might be available. Larger annual settlement being one of those things.

The SFL may never have a more powerful position to negotiate from. Remember last season there was a proposal for the SPL to basically take over the SFL. This could be a massive opportunity to change the relationship between the leagues.

A play-off only accommodates 7-8 clubs who harbour ambitions/delusions of establishing themselves in the SPL. In a vote of 30, that doesn't work either. What figure of annual settlement would be enough to help 30 clubs with contrasting business models (and non-models like Morton and Dunfermline), and make up for the loss of one-off revenue for the seaside league teams? Where is that money coming from?

The only way this can happen is if the SPL managed to hive off the ambitious clubs in the First Division into their own self-centred little voting bloc... perhaps by creating a new league, like the SPL but feeding into it from below... SPLB?

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Once The Rangers have been rejected by the SPL the SFL can then say we are not accepting Rangers in.

Who do you think holds all the aces in that scenario?

I would assume that anything like this would need to be negotiated prior to chucking Rangers out, so July 4 might not be The Day.

A quick point is that if the SFL don't let Rangers in won't that lead to a Clydebank/Airdrie scenario?

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The Old Firm are dead.

Yir life is over.

F*ck off !!

? EH ...... the old firm fixture is dead and looks like Rangers to follow soon after BUT ! I think you'll find that Celtic are very well much alive and fighting and just because one club is dead does not mean Celtic will follow soon after.After all Celtic didn't cheat to win and if Celtic had less success I'm sure you wouldn't be as pissed off about it.

Yeh sure the old firm game was well looked forwarded too but that's all about to change,it would appear that Celtic now need to find a new rival ! and I may add by the tone of fans in here then bring it on all of you :D ! every team in unison to be our rival by the sounds of it !.

In saying that the other clubs chasing the title will now possibly have a potential 12 point advantage over their last points total from last year coz the gers can't cheat and fcuk you over 4 times a season.Celtic will cut back for sure if they are pish in Europe every other season and don't have the European money to subsidize the loss of the old firm fixture and reduced TV revenue.So what you all complaining about ? the stranglehold has been broken,and if anyone has been reading my posts ! that's what I've been advocating FAIRNESS.

Imagine the possible scenario at the end of March 2013.

Traynor on the radio ... "looking back at events last year at Ibrox with the gers going into meltdown who would have thought this season would be one of the best title run ins ever.4 teams in the hunt to claim the SPL title with only a single points margin between them with everyone thinking that Celtic would just run away with it,but they aren't and the other teams have stepped up to the challenge after the demise of the Ibrox outfit.

And here we are the attendances have shot up and a new excitement has gripped the SPL fans and their teams and no longer is there the boring monotony of the usual 2 horse race that has plagued the SPL for decades.In fact I am now looking forward to next season,and from sources it is believed that SPL season ticket requests have almost doubled around the country in the era of we could now have a new SPL champion other than one of the old firm.

It is believed there is new hope for Scottish football after last years events,that there was the prospect of the SPL collapsing under the loss of Rangers.But this was all it took to save the SPL and make it a more exciting sport,the loss of one of the big 2 that was considered to be the mainstay and kingpin in keeping the SPL afloat.This truly is the new dawn for the sport of football in Scotland and all fans now look forward to who could win the SPL and not which one of the old firm will.

^^^^^ For all the diddy fans out there,let's hope this happens as I will probably celebrate a new SPL champion as well and I'm sure the whole of Scotland will.

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Once The Rangers have been rejected by the SPL the SFL can then say we are not accepting The Rangers in.

Who do you think holds all the aces in that scenario?

The SFA could end this today by calling for expulsion, or at least suspension.

Then again they have a lot to gain by hanging the SFL out to dry...

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Pretty sure regarding SFL 1 thing it would go to a vote of member clubs. Whlist Partick and the ilk would be happy to see the short term picture and chase the green (pun intended) can't see clubs in SFL 2 & 3 going along with it. Going to be a busy few days leading up to this vote.

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Although some fans of SPL clubs are holding off on buying their season tickets, will they purchase if their chairman says they'll vote 'no' but before the actual vote takes place? It could be that people purchase tickets and then Sevco still end up in the SPL.

I've bought my season ticket for East End but is Sevco appear in our league it will be my last no matter how Yorkston would vote.

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A quick point is that if the SFL don't let Rangers in won't that lead to a Clydebank/Airdrie scenario?

There are no obvious Clydebanks out there right now. I'm not sure on this, but I think the SFL have tightened up the rules on those rebrands after Airdrie United: presumably thinking all the horses had safely bolted first.

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That statement from Beattie just shows that that twat would probably sell his grannies soul for a tin o soupmad.gif

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? EH ...... the old firm fixture is dead and looks like Rangers to follow soon after BUT ! I think you'll find that Celtic are very well much alive and fighting and just because one club is dead does not mean Celtic will follow soon after.After all Celtic didn't cheat to win and if Celtic had less success I'm sure you wouldn't be as pissed off about it.

Yeh sure the old firm game was well looked forwarded too but that's all about to change,it would appear that Celtic now need to find a new rival ! and I may add by the tone of fans in here then bring it on all of you :D ! every team in unison to be our rival by the sounds of it !.

In saying that the other clubs chasing the title will now possibly have a potential 12 point advantage over their last points total from last year coz the gers can't cheat and fcuk you over 4 times a season.Celtic will cut back for sure if they are pish in Europe every other season and don't have the European money to subsidize the loss of the old firm fixture and reduced TV revenue.So what you all complaining about ? the stranglehold has been broken,and if anyone has been reading my posts ! that's what I've been advocating FAIRNESS.

Imagine the possible scenario at the end of March 2013.

Traynor on the radio ... "looking back at events last year at Ibrox with the gers going into meltdown who would have thought this season would be one of the best title run ins ever.4 teams in the hunt to claim the SPL title with only a single points margin between them with everyone thinking that Celtic would just run away with it,but they aren't and the other teams have stepped up to the challenge after the demise of the Ibrox outfit.

And here we are the attendances have shot up and a new excitement has gripped the SPL fans and their teams and no longer is there the boring monotony of the usual 2 horse race that has plagued the SPL for decades.In fact I am now looking forward to next season,and from sources it is believed that SPL season ticket requests have almost doubled around the country in the era of we could now have a new SPL champion other than one of the old firm.

It is believed there is new hope for Scottish football after last years events,that there was the prospect of the SPL collapsing under the loss of Rangers.But this was all it took to save the SPL and make it a more exciting sport,the loss of one of the big 2 that was considered to be the mainstay and kingpin in keeping the SPL afloat.This truly is the new dawn for the sport of football in Scotland and all fans now look forward to who could win the SPL and not which one of the old firm will.

^^^^^ For all the diddy fans out there,let's hope this happens as I will probably celebrate a new SPL champion as well and I'm sure the whole of Scotland will.

Although it sticks in my craw to say it, but very well saidcool.gif

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Just fired this off to PTFC, for all the good it'll do...and yes it does make me sound like a bit of a twat but I'm not very good at the whole "disgruntled of Tunbridge Wells" thing :lol:

Dear PTFC

I write regarding Mr Beattie's comments regarding the Rangers situation which have been published in the Daily Record and the Evening Times.

As a lifelong supporter of Partick Thistle I find the thought that PTFC could be complicit in a Rangers "newco" being parachuted into next year's SFL1 deeply alarming. The chairman is quite right when he says that this is a massive opportunity for Scottish football to change, but if, as the newspapers suggest, he is is claiming that demoting Rangers by a single division would be a just punishment for decades of cheating and financial mismanagement then he is deeply mistaken.

Rangers FC have, it appears, been systematically cheating the rest of Scottish football for as long as many of us can remember. Indeed, it has since emerged that every single member of the Rangers team that defeated Thistle 3-0 in the 2002 Scottish Cup Semi Final were members of the now infamous EBT scheme. The thought that Thistle fans were cheated of what could well be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to see their club in a Scottish cup final is not one that I will easily forget. Nor should it be forgotten that Rangers have now defaulted on an estimated £100m worth of debts---debts to other football clubs, to the taxman, and to hundreds of small Scottish businesses. Rangers have systematically cheated every single Scottish club, and every single Scottish supporter, over at least a decade. To suggest that demoting them by one division would be a "just" punishment is laughable. Getting demoted to the SFL1 is what should happen when you finish bottom of the SPL, not what should happen when you have been caught defrauding everyone with any interest in the Scottish game.

Sporting integrity must be at the heart of Scottish football. Without it, instead of a professional sports setup we would be left with a corrupt farce more akin to professional wrestling, with the sole difference being that the administrators of WWE wrestling at least have the decency not to pretend that the game isn't rigged in favour of a select few. If Partick Thistle are willing to sell the integrity of the Scottish game in return for a handful of Rangers' tarnished silver then that would be unforgivable. Were that scenario to come to pass, I for one would have to consider long and hard as to whether or not I could return to Firhill and, having spoken to my fellow supporters, I know that many of them feel the same way. A newco Rangers might be a short-term gravy train for Partick Thistle but what price to the club in the long term if lifelong supporters walk away?

It may be, of course, that Mr Beattie has been misquoted by the Record and the Evening Times and has no intention of allowing a newco Rangers to escape a *truly* just punishment. I hope that this is the case.

Yours,

NIcely done.

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That's 1000 fans over 1 season, how many you going to drive away with this Beattie?? 1 here for a start and if you vote for this and it comes through invest in a padlock cause you'll have driven the fans away and killed the club

Exactly......my dad and grandad would be spinning in their graves if they knew this. Change the record or RESIGN!!!!

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I would assume that anything like this would need to be negotiated prior to chucking Rangers out, so July 4 might not be The Day.

A quick point is that if the SFL don't let Rangers in won't that lead to a Clydebank/Airdrie scenario?

It may well do, I don't know the rules.

They can take over whoever they like, I'll not be there to watch it if it happens.

Edited by ayrmad

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If the SFL allow "Rangers" in to div 1, then I'm finished with Scottish fitba. End of. I'd prefer to be in the 2nd rather than the 1st next season, so losing out on promotion by default as a result is irrelevant.

Yes we should go in to div 3 but it's not our choice to make. Rangers will not be certs to win any league, right now we have no players at all and are fast running out of time and with yet more delays to the admin/liquidation process i doubt we'll be playing in any league this season.

So calm down and stop being such a drama queen.

Telt.

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