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What an absolute clusterfuck of tear-stained madness.

I particularly enjoyed this

The elephant in the living room, if it hasn't transformed into circus due to the sheer number of elephants it appears to hold, is that Rangers have been punished repeatedly and may be further punished by various relevant bodies as appropriate to their jurisdiction and judgement. The "Wee Tax Case" was for £2.8m with £1.4m of a penalty. The withholding of PAYE, VAT and NIC brought about administration. Even if Whyte started the process, it was merely due to HMRC's impending decision to do so themselves. Administration brought a 10 point penalty and its own transfer embargo. There is also the one year exclusion from Europe for not submitting audited accounts by the deadline.

The SFA have now added a fine and a further transfer embargo. Add them up. That's six punishments. There are also potential penalties for the "Big Tax Case" and in relation to the SPL, there are cases investigating irregularities in the payment of salaries and the possible admission of a newco. These constitute another three avenues for punishment, in some cases, possibly in multiple forms such as financial restrictions, points deductions and an additional European exclusion, potentially making a total of more than ten punishments. Yet this shows no sign of satisfying the blood lust.

Err, yes. Multiple rules broken usually does mean multiple punishments :1eye

... and this ...

So that leads us to the point of all this campaigning and propagandising. The goal was simple- to eliminate the rival by all means, and it wasn't just for rivalry. It smacks of cultural ethnic cleansing.

Really? I mean, really?

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Has there been any update on how Martin Bains lawsuit against Alex Thomson and channel 4 has progressed? I mean surely such a serious false allegation as knowlingly shredding documentation which would prove tax evasion would be met with a whopping big lawsuit.

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Lets get one thing clear, Rangers fans are not being punished in anyway, shape or form. I hear this from many of them "why should we be punished? Its not our fault that Craig Whyte and everyone else fucked us, why should we be penalised?"

Its not a punishment to watch a team that isnt as good as it was by a transfer ban. It affects fans in no way shape or form that the club have been fined and deducted ten points.

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Lets get one thing clear, Rangers fans are not being punished in anyway, shape or form. I hear this from many of them "why should we be punished? Its not our fault that Craig Whyte and everyone else fucked us, why should we be penalised?"

Its not a punishment to watch a team that isnt as good as it was by a transfer ban. It affects fans in no way shape or form that the club have been fined and deducted ten points.

Spot on.

Plenty folk seem to think their support of a club entitles them to some sort of ownership right and if the club does wrong and are punished they are also being punished. In the real world it doesn't work like that, we're just a bunch of dafties who allow an affection for a football team to take control.

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Be careful what you wish for.  That was the advice McCoist offered to those of us who advocated the need for proper sanctions against Rangers FC for their years of cheating.  It is a mantra that has been taken up by many of the apologists since.

I don't share the pessimism that has developed in this thread in recent days.  Whatever the actions of the SPL chairmen I think events will dictate that Rangers' punishment will be proportional, even if it's left to the SFA, the one body that has shown a modicum of leadership.  Of course I may be wrong and the SFA may capitulate to the perceived needs of the SPL self interest.

However, whilst the SPL chairmen have been fretting over the impact of kicking Rangers out of the top league have they given any consideration to the impact of letting a newco gain admission.  What sort of Rangers will they be admitting?  Do they expect a contrite Rangers; a Rangers that will accept that they have done wrong and, in their new guise, be anxious to atone and co-operate with their fellow clubs for the greater good of the Scottish game?

No, they will be offering succour to the abusive husband who, just at the point of being bested, has once again been given his stick back.  Rangers will revert to type using their financial muscle and dominance in the league to their own advantage and to the disadvantage of those who didn't have the courage and self belief to do the right thing.

The right thing is to impose severe penalties.  Not because  it's Rangers, but because any club who is forced to liquidate as a result of years of massive financial cheating should suffer such penalties.  If it were my club, Dundee United, they would deserve to be kicked out the SPL and probably steps would already be in place to do so by know.

I'm in my late 50's and so have been following the game longer than many who have posted on this thread.  I cannot remember a more defining point in top flight Scottish football.  Whilst optimistic about the likelihood of proportionate sanctions I feel nonetheless that the words and possible actions of club chairmen will live on long after Rangers' immediate fate has been decided.  Chairmen who think they can ignore the views of their club's fans over this matter are playing a dangerous game.

It's not just the immediate prospect of supporters deserting their clubs that concerns me.  What will be the backlash over the next few seasons if (when) an unpunished Rangers start getting dodgy referee decisions due to crowd pressure or are poaching our players on the cheap?  People who did not abandon the game immediately may see the impact of no or minimal sanctions and walk away then.

The perception has been growing for some time that SKY will influence the immediate future of SPL football more than the paying fans.  If that perception becomes a reality supporters will abandon the game.  It may be a trickle rather than a flood but through time the impact will hit home.

We have all had a good laugh at Rangers' plight, many of us do not like the OF for a number of understandable reasons.  However this ultimately is not about Rangers per se but about the willingness of the Chairmen of other clubs to treat them differently because of their perceived influence and financial clout.  Pandering to Rangers may seem to be the better option than risking SPL football without them but, at best, it will be a short-term fix and one that will alienate many of the people who give tangible support to football.

The continuation of SKY money and supposedly bigger crowds because of a league that includes Rangers may be on the wish list of SPL chairmen for next year but this will come at a significant price.  As Allly McCoist says - be careful what you wish for.

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Be careful what you wish for. That was the advice McCoist offered to those of us who advocated the need for proper sanctions against Rangers FC for their years of cheating. It is a mantra that has been taken up by many of the apologists since.

I don't share the pessimism that has developed in this thread in recent days. Whatever the actions of the SPL chairmen I think events will dictate that Rangers' punishment will be proportional, even if it's left to the SFA, the one body that has shown a modicum of leadership. Of course I may be wrong and the SFA may capitulate to the perceived needs of the SPL self interest.

However, whilst the SPL chairmen have been fretting over the impact of kicking Rangers out of the top league have they given any consideration to the impact of letting a newco gain admission. What sort of Rangers will they be admitting? Do they expect a contrite Rangers; a Rangers that will accept that they have done wrong and, in their new guise, be anxious to atone and co-operate with their fellow clubs for the greater good of the Scottish game?

No, they will be offering succour to the abusive husband who, just at the point of being bested, has once again been given his stick back. Rangers will revert to type using their financial muscle and dominance in the league to their own advantage and to the disadvantage of those who didn't have the courage and self belief to do the right thing.

The right thing is to impose severe penalties. Not because it's Rangers, but because any club who is forced to liquidate as a result of years of massive financial cheating should suffer such penalties. If it were my club, Dundee United, they would deserve to be kicked out the SPL and probably steps would already be in place to do so by know.

I'm in my late 50's and so have been following the game longer than many who have posted on this thread. I cannot remember a more defining point in top flight Scottish football. Whilst optimistic about the likelihood of proportionate sanctions I feel nonetheless that the words and possible actions of club chairmen will live on long after Rangers' immediate fate has been decided. Chairmen who think they can ignore the views of their club's fans over this matter are playing a dangerous game.

It's not just the immediate prospect of supporters deserting their clubs that concerns me. What will be the backlash over the next few seasons if (when) an unpunished Rangers start getting dodgy referee decisions due to crowd pressure or are poaching our players on the cheap? People who did not abandon the game immediately may see the impact of no or minimal sanctions and walk away then.

The perception has been growing for some time that SKY will influence the immediate future of SPL football more than the paying fans. If that perception becomes a reality supporters will abandon the game. It may be a trickle rather than a flood but through time the impact will hit home.

We have all had a good laugh at Rangers' plight, many of us do not like the OF for a number of understandable reasons. However this ultimately is not about Rangers per se but about the willingness of the Chairmen of other clubs to treat them differently because of their perceived influence and financial clout. Pandering to Rangers may seem to be the better option than risking SPL football without them but, at best, it will be a short-term fix and one that will alienate many of the people who give tangible support to football.

The continuation of SKY money and supposedly bigger crowds because of a league that includes Rangers may be on the wish list of SPL chairmen for next year but this will come at a significant price. As Allly McCoist says - be careful what you wish for.

Great post, GD..........apologies ran out of greenies !

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Be careful what you wish for. That was the advice McCoist offered to those of us who advocated the need for proper sanctions against Rangers FC for their years of cheating. It is a mantra that has been taken up by many of the apologists since.

I don't share the pessimism that has developed in this thread in recent days. Whatever the actions of the SPL chairmen I think events will dictate that Rangers' punishment will be proportional, even if it's left to the SFA, the one body that has shown a modicum of leadership. Of course I may be wrong and the SFA may capitulate to the perceived needs of the SPL self interest.

However, whilst the SPL chairmen have been fretting over the impact of kicking Rangers out of the top league have they given any consideration to the impact of letting a newco gain admission. What sort of Rangers will they be admitting? Do they expect a contrite Rangers; a Rangers that will accept that they have done wrong and, in their new guise, be anxious to atone and co-operate with their fellow clubs for the greater good of the Scottish game?

No, they will be offering succour to the abusive husband who, just at the point of being bested, has once again been given his stick back. Rangers will revert to type using their financial muscle and dominance in the league to their own advantage and to the disadvantage of those who didn't have the courage and self belief to do the right thing.

The right thing is to impose severe penalties. Not because it's Rangers, but because any club who is forced to liquidate as a result of years of massive financial cheating should suffer such penalties. If it were my club, Dundee United, they would deserve to be kicked out the SPL and probably steps would already be in place to do so by know.

I'm in my late 50's and so have been following the game longer than many who have posted on this thread. I cannot remember a more defining point in top flight Scottish football. Whilst optimistic about the likelihood of proportionate sanctions I feel nonetheless that the words and possible actions of club chairmen will live on long after Rangers' immediate fate has been decided. Chairmen who think they can ignore the views of their club's fans over this matter are playing a dangerous game.

It's not just the immediate prospect of supporters deserting their clubs that concerns me. What will be the backlash over the next few seasons if (when) an unpunished Rangers start getting dodgy referee decisions due to crowd pressure or are poaching our players on the cheap? People who did not abandon the game immediately may see the impact of no or minimal sanctions and walk away then.

The perception has been growing for some time that SKY will influence the immediate future of SPL football more than the paying fans. If that perception becomes a reality supporters will abandon the game. It may be a trickle rather than a flood but through time the impact will hit home.

We have all had a good laugh at Rangers' plight, many of us do not like the OF for a number of understandable reasons. However this ultimately is not about Rangers per se but about the willingness of the Chairmen of other clubs to treat them differently because of their perceived influence and financial clout. Pandering to Rangers may seem to be the better option than risking SPL football without them but, at best, it will be a short-term fix and one that will alienate many of the people who give tangible support to football.

The continuation of SKY money and supposedly bigger crowds because of a league that includes Rangers may be on the wish list of SPL chairmen for next year but this will come at a significant price. As Allly McCoist says - be careful what you wish for.

Dear Mrs Danger, the only problem that the diddy clubs will have without RFC will be that they might have to organise their finances for next season as Dunfermline have had to do, i.e. cut their cloth to suit less income. Better to kick the ba4s=tards now that they are down and go with the new mantra, from the film "Network", "I'm madder than Hell, and I'm not going to take any more". Now's the chance to get a step up the ladder for the rest of us, and if RFC come back and get past us again, good luck to 'em, but this gives us a chance to maybe get a wee bit closer to getting a shot at European glory every now and then.

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Be careful what you wish for. That was the advice McCoist offered to those of us who advocated the need for proper sanctions against Rangers FC for their years of cheating. It is a mantra that has been taken up by many of the apologists since.

I don't share the pessimism that has developed in this thread in recent days. Whatever the actions of the SPL chairmen I think events will dictate that Rangers' punishment will be proportional, even if it's left to the SFA, the one body that has shown a modicum of leadership. Of course I may be wrong and the SFA may capitulate to the perceived needs of the SPL self interest.

However, whilst the SPL chairmen have been fretting over the impact of kicking Rangers out of the top league have they given any consideration to the impact of letting a newco gain admission. What sort of Rangers will they be admitting? Do they expect a contrite Rangers; a Rangers that will accept that they have done wrong and, in their new guise, be anxious to atone and co-operate with their fellow clubs for the greater good of the Scottish game?

No, they will be offering succour to the abusive husband who, just at the point of being bested, has once again been given his stick back. Rangers will revert to type using their financial muscle and dominance in the league to their own advantage and to the disadvantage of those who didn't have the courage and self belief to do the right thing.

The right thing is to impose severe penalties. Not because it's Rangers, but because any club who is forced to liquidate as a result of years of massive financial cheating should suffer such penalties. If it were my club, Dundee United, they would deserve to be kicked out the SPL and probably steps would already be in place to do so by know.

I'm in my late 50's and so have been following the game longer than many who have posted on this thread. I cannot remember a more defining point in top flight Scottish football. Whilst optimistic about the likelihood of proportionate sanctions I feel nonetheless that the words and possible actions of club chairmen will live on long after Rangers' immediate fate has been decided. Chairmen who think they can ignore the views of their club's fans over this matter are playing a dangerous game.

It's not just the immediate prospect of supporters deserting their clubs that concerns me. What will be the backlash over the next few seasons if (when) an unpunished Rangers start getting dodgy referee decisions due to crowd pressure or are poaching our players on the cheap? People who did not abandon the game immediately may see the impact of no or minimal sanctions and walk away then.

The perception has been growing for some time that SKY will influence the immediate future of SPL football more than the paying fans. If that perception becomes a reality supporters will abandon the game. It may be a trickle rather than a flood but through time the impact will hit home.

We have all had a good laugh at Rangers' plight, many of us do not like the OF for a number of understandable reasons. However this ultimately is not about Rangers per se but about the willingness of the Chairmen of other clubs to treat them differently because of their perceived influence and financial clout. Pandering to Rangers may seem to be the better option than risking SPL football without them but, at best, it will be a short-term fix and one that will alienate many of the people who give tangible support to football.

The continuation of SKY money and supposedly bigger crowds because of a league that includes Rangers may be on the wish list of SPL chairmen for next year but this will come at a significant price. As Allly McCoist says - be careful what you wish for.

Superbly put. Have a greenie, Sir.

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New blog from 'Rangers Tax Case' lays into Cockwomble a bit

http://rangerstaxcase.wordpress.com/2012/05/22/doncaster-dooms-spl/

I have to say that this....

We are heading for a newco of some description. The key point, Mr. Doncaster, is whether Craig Whyte’s floating charge is still meaningful. If it is (and people with more advanced legal training than me cannot find a consensus on whether it will be) Whyte will be content to let this drama unfold. His friends at Duff & Phelps will continue to potter about while reality continues to sink in with the wider Rangers support. In the end, Whyte will play his trump card and call in a receiver who will sell all of Rangers’ assets to a newco for a sum that will go entirely to Whyte- stuffing all of the other creditors. A plan to achieve this outcome would explain a lot of Duff & Phelps’ actions over the last few months

....is almost exactly the scenario I laid out about 400 pages ago.

At the time, I thought it seemed a bit overtly conspiracy theorist in nature, but, as time has worn on, I've been more inclined to buy into it.

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Be careful what you wish for.  That was the advice McCoist offered to those of us who advocated the need for proper sanctions against Rangers FC for their years of cheating.  It is a mantra that has been taken up by many of the apologists since....

Exceptional post, GD.

With your permission, I intend copying and pasting it onto the St Mirren site I frequent and where I have been 'debating' this issue for a few weeks now, as your post sums up my feeling remarkably well, but is presented in a far more elequent and succinct manner than I could hope to achieve.

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I hear diddiies like you are going to boycott Ibrox :lol: :lol: :lol: That boycot has been going on since 1986 and has made very little difference.

54 TITLES AND STILL GOING STRONG

false rangers are in administration

the long game was played here wink.gif

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Be careful what you wish for. That was the advice McCoist offered to those of us who advocated the need for proper sanctions against Rangers FC for their years of cheating. It is a mantra that has been taken up by many of the apologists since.

I don't share the pessimism that has developed in this thread in recent days. Whatever the actions of the SPL chairmen I think events will dictate that Rangers' punishment will be proportional, even if it's left to the SFA, the one body that has shown a modicum of leadership. Of course I may be wrong and the SFA may capitulate to the perceived needs of the SPL self interest.

However, whilst the SPL chairmen have been fretting over the impact of kicking Rangers out of the top league have they given any consideration to the impact of letting a newco gain admission. What sort of Rangers will they be admitting? Do they expect a contrite Rangers; a Rangers that will accept that they have done wrong and, in their new guise, be anxious to atone and co-operate with their fellow clubs for the greater good of the Scottish game?

No, they will be offering succour to the abusive husband who, just at the point of being bested, has once again been given his stick back. Rangers will revert to type using their financial muscle and dominance in the league to their own advantage and to the disadvantage of those who didn't have the courage and self belief to do the right thing.

The right thing is to impose severe penalties. Not because it's Rangers, but because any club who is forced to liquidate as a result of years of massive financial cheating should suffer such penalties. If it were my club, Dundee United, they would deserve to be kicked out the SPL and probably steps would already be in place to do so by know.

I'm in my late 50's and so have been following the game longer than many who have posted on this thread. I cannot remember a more defining point in top flight Scottish football. Whilst optimistic about the likelihood of proportionate sanctions I feel nonetheless that the words and possible actions of club chairmen will live on long after Rangers' immediate fate has been decided. Chairmen who think they can ignore the views of their club's fans over this matter are playing a dangerous game.

It's not just the immediate prospect of supporters deserting their clubs that concerns me. What will be the backlash over the next few seasons if (when) an unpunished Rangers start getting dodgy referee decisions due to crowd pressure or are poaching our players on the cheap? People who did not abandon the game immediately may see the impact of no or minimal sanctions and walk away then.

The perception has been growing for some time that SKY will influence the immediate future of SPL football more than the paying fans. If that perception becomes a reality supporters will abandon the game. It may be a trickle rather than a flood but through time the impact will hit home.

We have all had a good laugh at Rangers' plight, many of us do not like the OF for a number of understandable reasons. However this ultimately is not about Rangers per se but about the willingness of the Chairmen of other clubs to treat them differently because of their perceived influence and financial clout. Pandering to Rangers may seem to be the better option than risking SPL football without them but, at best, it will be a short-term fix and one that will alienate many of the people who give tangible support to football.

The continuation of SKY money and supposedly bigger crowds because of a league that includes Rangers may be on the wish list of SPL chairmen for next year but this will come at a significant price. As Allly McCoist says - be careful what you wish for.

Think we might well have a top contender for 'Best Post of the Thread' (apart from bearwithme's hilarious defences of his club)

Far more insightful than anything in the mainstream media.

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Dear Mrs Danger, the only problem that the diddy clubs will have without RFC will be that they might have to organise their finances for next season as Dunfermline have had to do, i.e. cut their cloth to suit less income. Better to kick the ba4s=tards now that they are down and go with the new mantra, from the film "Network", "I'm madder than Hell, and I'm not going to take any more". Now's the chance to get a step up the ladder for the rest of us, and if RFC come back and get past us again, good luck to 'em, but this gives us a chance to maybe get a wee bit closer to getting a shot at European glory every now and then.

The only real danger the diddy clubs will have is one less excuse for non-achievement, and that's what I reckon terrifies some of them, no longer able to shrug their shoulders and say "och, what can you do when the Old Firm are so far in front?"

As the honours start being more spread around, when suddenly the likes of St Johnstone, Motherwell, etc are picking up the odd Scottish Cup and League Cup at the least, fans of similarly strong clubs have the right to ask "when's it our turn, instead of selling every decent player that comes through our ranks for chocolate buttons to Celtic or some English club?" They're terrified of fans no longer settling for less.

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Neil Doncaster thinks a new co is the same as a CVA.

Neil Doncaster is the man charged with investigating Double contracts.

Sure to do a fine job when you look at his history of speaking absolute bollocks.

I am pretty sure anything this smug twat does he phones up sky to ask if its ok.

Is there any chance someone can start one of those petition things to get him

removed.

Neil Doncaster

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/9338483.stm

"We've certainly had the indication that the plan on the table is more attractive to TV than the status-quo," Doncaster told BBC Radio Scotland.

Hi sky Neil here how many teams do you want in the league. Ten you say I will get right on it.

Neil Doncaster on the British cup idea.

'I certainly wouldn't rule it out at all,' he said.

'I think it would be a very exciting innovation. It would certainly bring a lot of money into the game, and a lot of interest into the game.

When is the british cup due to start Doncaster you idiot.

Neil Doncaster GTF you freaky looking twat.

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Why should i and 50,000 other Rangers fans along with the estimated 1 million armchairfans allow your club to live off our money whilst we are unfairly penalised?

Well, if we are going to go down the route of 'diddy' clubs living off the money of Rangers fans, then what would you say to 'diddy' fans' wages being used to subsidise Rangers' tax-dodging? That's as big a case living off someone else as I've seen. And the money brought in by Rangers fans coming to games is not significant enough to be a deal-breaker. The other 11 clubs need to see Rangers as a cash cow - if it benefits them to have them in the spl then keep them, if not then hello the berrs v East Stirlingshire

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