bennett Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 You are deluded to think that the legal status of the companies involved had any bearing on the judgement. Well for starters unlike the other two tribunals, Murray didn't have a specialist QC involved .... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Yup Nope. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Fitlike Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Well for starters unlike the other two tribunals, Murray didn't have a specialist QC involved .... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Well for starters unlike the other two tribunals, Murray didn't have a specialist QC involved .... Rangers cheated then they died... Furthermore, so far as the footballers are concerned, at least, it seems to us that if bonuses had not been paid they might well have taken their services elsewhere. Lord Drummond Young Court of Session 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dipped Flake Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 It's called jumping to conclusions, no way that anyone can say for certain who'd have signed and who wouldn't have. nobody can say for certain that Lance Armstrong wouldn't have won his races if he hadn't been doped up to the eyeballs, so let's give all his titles back eh???? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BinoBalls Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Aye but surely not when the games on !!??? I don think I've posted on another clubs page/threads in the 18 months I've been on here. Perhaps maybe once or twice when they've actually been playing Rangers. The Rangers board is infested with Ce*tic fans and the P&D's who follow them around like lost sheep. Even an occasional visitor can see that at first glance. I'm glad other fans having a good laugh at Rangers gets to you. I will make a concerted effort to come here more often henceforth. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythstoliveby Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 What the Players who lost out during the 'EBT years' are saying FORMER Ayr defender Paul Lovering said: “It is not my view the result should be amended. It was just a privilege to play in a cup final for Ayr against a star-studded Rangers team that was packed with quality players such as Tore Andre Flo and Claudio Caniggia. “That was an amazing experience and it would have been nice for Ayr to win the League Cup but it was not to be.” DUNDEE (now St Johnstone) defender Dave Mackay said: “It wouldn’t make a difference to me or interest me whatsoever. It would not make me feel as if I had won the Cup. Dundee had their chance to win that day and we never took it. It has gone and it is done and dusted. “Having said if the result was ever to be reversed then maybe I could claim a retrospective win bonus!” FORMER Motherwell defender Martyn Corrigan said: “History can’t be changed and what has happened in the past should stand. What happens from now on in though would be a different story. If it was to change and the result declared void then myself and the rest of the Motherwell players would end up with a League Cup winners medal and while I’d be happy with that I don’t think it would be ideal.” DUNDEE UNITED (now Falkirk) midfielder Mark Kerr said: “There is nothing to be gained by stripping Rangers of the trophy and awarding the League Cup to Dundee United. We thought Rangers were a good team back then and nobody felt they were overspending. We were up against some class Rangers teams in those days. However, United were twice in a winning position in that final before it went to penalties and we were even leading the shoot-out. We put up a great challenge but it just wasn’t our day.” ORMER QoS captain Jim Thomson said: “It is a difficult one but I would not call for Rangers to be stripped of the Scottish Cup. It was 11 v 11 and Queens just came up short. “Rangers made it all the way to the UEFA Cup Final that season and had a real backlog of games which Queens didn’t have to cope with. The players won the silverware on the park fair and square.” FALKIRK defender (now Dumbarton) Darren Barr said: “I never thought about any of those issues at the time. It is a weird one to call as all we were thinking about was winning the Scottish Cup for Falkirk. I don’t think that anything else should be done about it now. “The Falkirk fans might feel differently about that. For me the result does not change and it would not feel right.” ST MIRREN keeper (now Partick Thistle) Paul Gallacher said: “I don’t feel it was an injustice. We had a big opportunity to win the game that day as they had two players sent off. “They did it on the pitch – not in the boardroom – and that St Mirren team will always be remembered as the team that lost a final to nine men which is disappointing. Unfortunately, it was their day.” Oh dear Tedi - quoting from the 'daily rebel' Your blues brothers might disown you for that.... Anyway, I'm sure I don't need to tell an intelligent chap like you - what about the responses that the 'journalist' chose *not* to include? I'll give you a clue, a story along the lines of "Some want the results to remain and some want them to be corrected" isn't going to do much for the journo's career..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM5 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Specatularly wrong as usual! Rangers cheating affected every club and every clubs' supporters want the full Lance Armstrong for the EBT years. The "full Lance Armstrong"? He was directly competing with racers who had no chance of beating him as he was full of exogenous hormones. There was no way an unassisted rider could have ever beaten him. Rangers signed players and paid them through a tax avoidance scheme. How does that prevent other teams from beating them? Our escapades in the lower leagues have shown that it isn't the team who spends the most money that always wins. This "financial doping" nonsense is just clever rhetoric and completely confuses the simple minded. Once again, you're all being lured into Celtic's trap and thinking that title stripping is your idea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Tell me, oh genetically superior keyboard warrior, what I've said that is so offensive to you? Is it that I'm not bending over and taking one because the latest twist in this saga has deemed the EBT's are due tax on them? There is still a chance that this latest verdict will be appealed and if it does in fact get appealed and goes in favour of oldco then you're all going to look quite stupid. Calling for trophies to be stripped is pretty desperate stuff and based entirely on a theoretical world that X+Y= Z. We weren't bribing referees or doping up our players ("financial doping!", I hear you cry at the back!) to get an edge. It was 11 vs 11 out there. If we didn't sign the players we did then we would've signed others and who's to say we still wouldn't have one those titles? You and your ilk can put an asterisk next to them forevermore and tell your web fingered weans that they're "dirty titles" but calling for them to be officially stripped is pretty desperate. BLUE HORRIBLE CHEATING ARSEHOLES FC 1873 (NOW THANKFULLY DEAD) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythstoliveby Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 The quotes are from the players themselves, so I dont think the source really matters in this instance, that is why they are enclosed in quote marks, there were plenty more prior to the tribunal in 2012 including those made before the tax case results were known. The players are obviously not quite as bitter and twisted as their fans on P & B I hope that you are deliberately missing the point of my post - and not just too stupid to understand it.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM5 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 BLUE HORRIBLE CHEATING ARSEHOLES FC 1873 (NOW THANKFULLY DEAD) Off topic, however, does this shull fella have a mental disability? Because the only things he ever seems to post are rants like the above (in fact the above is probably the longest post I've seen from him) and I never know whether to engage with him or not as everybody else just seems to ignore him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker_d Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 I've never understood the zombies sticking up for people not paying tax. Who gives a flying eff about the legalities or otherwise of it. People are living off of food banks yet there are morons on here gloating because a bunch of millionaires got more money by dodging paying tax, just so they can get one over other people over a game of football. What kind of absolute mugs are you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Things for which a professional footballer should be sought out for their considered opinion on: How to take each game, as it comes or other? In terms of halves, how would you describe a game of football? What do you like on your coco-pops? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the 67 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Off topic, however, does this shull fella have a mental disability? Because the only things he ever seems to post are rants like the above (in fact the above is probably the longest post I've seen from him) and I never know whether to engage with him or not as everybody else just seems to ignore him. Shull= p&b legend. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Off topic, however, does this shull fella have a mental disability? Because the only things he ever seems to post are rants like the above (in fact the above is probably the longest post I've seen from him) and I never know whether to engage with him or not as everybody else just seems to ignore him. He is a slave to his art. A lifetime of posting won't get you even near to his level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BinoBalls Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 "The players won the solverware on the park fair and square" - typical thick footballer attitude. Billy Dodds loves a bit of that too. It doesn't stand up to any kind of logic. Rangers won the title by a bawhair a couple of times - if their playing budget was 5% less then they probably wouldn't have done so. It's common sense. Same way Lance Armstrong and Ben Johnson cheated to gain a small but significant edge over their rivals. I can to an extent understand that players of other teams are hardly going to have the questionable taste to be publically clamouring for a medal, years after they lost a game. But the competitions should be voided simply because it's the right thing to do when cheating is involved. It's not so much about giving titles to other clubs - it's about taking them *off* the cheats. I don't believe the authorities will strip anything - because it's Rangers, basically. If this had been Dundee or Stranraer or Ayr etc then absolutely titles would be stripped. But there is already a PR offensive from their fluffers in the Daily Record to make sure they keep them, and grinning imbeciles like Doncaster won't do anything to upset the country's biggest club. And any Rangers fan who disagrees with this - ask yourself what you'd be saying if this had been Celtic. (Special prize to first one who says they don't care about other clubs unlike the obsessed on here blah de blah de blah...) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers_Lad Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Might be missing something - don't employers collect tax and national insurance from staff on behalf of HMRC to pass on to the Revenue, in largely the same way they collect VAT from sales (which get offset from VAT on purchases)? If you're self employed, sure, it's a system of self-assessment, but in a private/public limited company it's the companies responsibility? NI also has employee contributions along with employer contributions too... I,ve experienced an under payment of income tax whilst employed,HMRC unable to alter my tax code to recoup it they chased/ harassed me for the under payment.Options were to pay it all at once with 4 weeks to pay or arrange to pay monthly over a period of 1,2 or max 3 years 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 nobody can say for certain that Lance Armstrong wouldn't have won his races if he hadn't been doped up to the eyeballs, so let's give all his titles back eh???? Performance enhancing ebt's.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BinoBalls Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 The "full Lance Armstrong"? He was directly competing with racers who had no chance of beating him as he was full of exogenous hormones. There was no way an unassisted rider could have ever beaten him. Rangers signed players and paid them through a tax avoidance scheme. How does that prevent other teams from beating them? Our escapades in the lower leagues have shown that it isn't the team who spends the most money that always wins. This "financial doping" nonsense is just clever rhetoric and completely confuses the simple minded. Once again, you're all being lured into Celtic's trap and thinking that title stripping is your idea. Do you believe that illegally inflating your wage capacity is fair on the other clubs in a competition? Yes or no. Preferably without any whataboutery. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Do you believe that illegally inflating your wage capacity is fair on the other clubs in a competition? Yes or no. Preferably without any whataboutery. Your question is flawed, try and reword it. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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