sjc Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Who mentioned religion/Proddy? Sorry to disappoint but that ain't my style. Never has been. I likened your team to Rangers for their similarities to their Glasgow counterparts. From Romanov's "moonbeams" to your managements rough house tactics, right down to your fans venom and intimidation tactics. As for Regressing? I think we both know the answer as to who has regressed the furthest between our teams eh? Clearly yours since my teams stadium is sold out every other week whilst yours has 20,000+ empty seats. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Malloy Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Clearly yours since my teams stadium is sold out every other week whilst yours has 20,000+ empty seats Sold out every other week? Porky pies dont count as facts you know Einstien? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Do you really think even the big Clubs fans want that though? Imagine Utd fans without their game against Liverpool for example......football is build on local rivalries (as shown in the Celtic/Rangers case). Who's going to stomach travelling across the continent 18times a season for away games? Then of course, how long before they want to reduce the size of the league on the basis of "best v best" or "people only want to watch Real v Barca" etc American football like scenario, smaller tables split across the time-line and progress to the knock-out stages removing the Champions league and new rivalries with Ajax, PSG mibees. Anyhoo it's coming and the big clubs will go, it will be a mass exodus of over 60+ clubs across Europe forming the new European league with maybe three divisions of 20 clubs to lure the not so big clubs before relegating them back to their home league. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Sold out every other week? Porky pies dont count as facts you know Einstien? Take it from someone that is at Tynecastle every other week.....we're averaging over 16,000 this season which equates to the stadium being 95% full. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 American football like scenario, smaller tables split across the time-line and progress to the knock-out stages removing the Champions league and new rivalries with Ajax, PSG mibees. Anyhoo it's coming and the big clubs will go, it will be a mass exodus of over 60+ clubs across Europe forming the new European league with maybe three divisions of 20 clubs to lure the not so big clubs before relegating them back to their home league. I hope they do and in 20years time we'll see the public in general bored with the same Clubs winning as theses big Clubs desperately scrap for the ever untapped revenue stream! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Well they haven't released in the media that it is extra investment, what is clear that they wanted more influence and have bought a bulk load of shares today and realistically it must be part of their initial £6.5 million. What it does is secure £2.66 million quids worth of shares before the next share issue and may only have just shy of £4 million to invest further. This seems more likely to be the case because they didn't ever say they had more funding towards buying more shares if necessary. How can seriously make such a silly claim, none of us know how much money these guys are putting up... -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Malloy Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) Take it from someone that is at Tynecastle every other week.....we're averaging over 16,000 this season which equates to the stadium being 95% full. Think you might find that number somewhere south of a 16,000 average chum hardly a bi-weekly fullhouse. But you weren't talking about attendances anyway were you?, You were on about the teams regression. No? We have played you and pumped you this season and you are a full division below us. I think you were a tad bit closer than that last season. Who can tell the real difference as we cant go any further in front! You lot on the other hand?.............. Edited December 31, 2014 by Tim Malloy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Think you might find that number somewhere south of a 16,000 average chum hardly a bi-weekly fullhouse. But you weren't talking about attendances anyway were you?, You were on about the teams regression. No? We have played you and pumped you this season and you are a full division below us. I think you were a tad bit closer than that last season. Who can tell the real difference as we cant go any further in front! You lot on the other hand?.............. Are you for real?! If you can't see that celtic getting less money throught the turnstyles via missing out on the UCL or ST sales (slightly down I believe) isn't causing Celtics playing budget to reduce then there really is no help for you. Regardless of which division my Club is playing in Hearts are finding their revenues up from last season where much of the ST monies were syphoned off prior to Admin. Never mind champ......you keep telling yourself that its UCL SF's next year for Celtic eh?! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Does anyone mind when Rangers died? LOL, good times. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 How can seriously make such a silly claim, none of us know how much money these guys are putting up... Silly Bennet. Ken you not the omniscience of The QC? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Malloy Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) Are you for real?! If you can't see that celtic getting less money throught the turnstyles via missing out on the UCL or ST sales (slightly down I believe) isn't causing Celtics playing budget to reduce then there really is no help for you. Regardless of which division my Club is playing in Hearts are finding their revenues up from last season where much of the ST monies were syphoned off prior to Admin. Never mind champ......you keep telling yourself that its UCL SF's next year for Celtic eh?! Ah! So I shut you up on Attendances so now you are moving on to playing budgets? Just remember you said the TEAM was regressing. Check the financial results issued at Celtics AGM. Think you might find that Celtics Playing Budget Increased from last season whereas your mobs budget was cut to the quick! where is the regression ya genius. Come back to me when you can show who's team has regressed the most. P.s. I won't hold me breath eh? Anyhoo! i'm away fur a swally! Happy New year to you and yours my good man. Same to all on the forum byraway! Edited December 31, 2014 by Tim Malloy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) Interesting interview from Faure about life at Ibrox, apparently Ricky Foster was an independence supporter, it also shows how clueless McCoist was as a manager. http://www.hat-trick.fr/sebastien-faure-lame-des-rangers-cest-jimmy-bell/ EDIT: Translation You’ve been here for two years now. What does “Rangers” mean to you? (After a long time spent thinking) Well it’s easy to say this and a bit of a cliché, but it’s a religion. There’s football here which is one thing, but then there’s Rangers, the fans, and everyone else associated with the club, it’s amazing…even after the club was relegated to Division 4, people kept their jobs at Ibrox or at Murray Park. And they are just so proud to work here, and they so proud to say “I work for Rangers”. When you are a professional player, you tend to move from club to club, it’s part of the job. It’s not easy to really absorb the culture and ethos of a club, apart from those who stay for years and years and really become ingrained in the fabric of the club, like Lee McCulloch. Sometimes, the supporters shout at you or get angry. But you can’t let it get to you, you can only do your talking on the pitch. They’ve had so much good football over the years that I think they sort of have a right to be angered, to be honest. In any case, playing at Ibrox is far from easy. There’s so much pressure. You can be winning 2-0, but if you misplace just one pass you’ll be whistled. I mean I heard a few boos at the Gerland (Lyon stadium), but never like the one’s you get here sometimes! (laughs) Did it take you long to learn what it meant to play for a club like Rangers? What did you expect when you came over? No, I didn’t expect it to be honest. I knew Rangers were a massive club, but I didn’t know how they were perceived by the other Scottish clubs. The Glasgow clubs really are hated by the other Scottish clubs. It’s incredible! What’s more, you have to understand that I was a but unsure about coming over here in the first place. I said to my agent: “You’re kind, but I’m not sure if I want to be dropping down to play in Division 4 in France” and he said “It’s Division 4 in Scotland”. He said: “Seb, please, just go over for a few days, check out the facilities and the stadium, you’ll soon change your mind.” On the first day of my trial I trained with the reserves, and it went well. That night, I went to see the first team play in the League Cup again East Fife. It was a Tuesday night, we won 4-0 and almost 40, 000 fans were there. It was…mad, just mad. I called up my agent and said: “If you can sort it out for me, I really want to stay here!” Everything you do and say is reported on and scrutinised at a club like Rangers. Has the press had an influence on the atmosphere at the club? First of all you need to understand that the press and its reporters here are a million times worse than in France! I’m sure I’ve seen the word “crisis” used to describe our club just about every day of the year, even when we win. Taking this into consideration, I do think that it’s had an influence. I must say, not on me personally. To be very honest, I don’t read the papers, apart from when they discuss politics or cover stories from France. But at the level of the club more generally, they have definitely had an influence. Ten days ago, an old team mate of McCoist’s, John Brown, said to the Sun: “You are a disgrace!” The coach brought us the article and he had an argument with Kenny Miller. After we got beaten by Hearts, apparently Miller had called up a journalist wanting to speak to him to tell him the manager had made some bad decisions, although it turned out that he hadn’t. McCoist got so angry: he threw the paper, he stamped on it, he was shouting and screaming! It’s the first time I’ve ever seen him like that. Blacky brings the Sun in every morning, and we read it. McCoist reads all the papers every morning in his office at Murray Park, which by the way is enormous (laughs). I think that its mainly at the level of the club staff that the papers have an impact. In your eyes, who represents the soul of the club? Jimmy Bell the kitman. He’s been here since 1972, I think. It’s amazing that he was taking care of McCoist and Durrant when they were players, and now its them who are in charge. It’s an amazing story and an amazing history, one which you wouldn’t get at many clubs at all. Jimmy’s got his own room in Ibrox where he displays all the Rangers kits and all the Rangers photos that he’s collected over 40 years. In his office at Murray Park, there’s a room, which we are forbidden from entering (laughs), which has all of his souvenirs, his trophies…it’s his very own museum! When it looked like they might be re-possessing Ibrox, he had to pack up all his stuff because he was scared that it would be taken off him. He is really the soul of the club, its him, its Jimmy. He’s a great guy, even if he’s always sulking. You need to get to know him…I remember when I arrived on trial, I didn’t speak English. “You don’t speak English, fucking French!?” he said (laughs). But I mean really nasty to me! But nowadays, along with Bilel, he tells us loads of stories, loads of jokes. He’s really a top guy, he’s golden. I’m trying to help our readers understand the complete devotion that Rangers inspires in people. To give us more of an insight, is it true that one of the players has got the logo of the club tattooed on his calf? Yeah its Danny Stoney! He’s a good lad who we’ve loaned out to Stranraer. He’s got a tattoo that’s blue, with red around it, and five golden stars in the middle. It’s amazing, simply amazing. When I was at Lyon, even though I was also a Lyon fan, I would never have got a Lyon tattoo. It would never have crossed my mind! It’s just a different type of relationship to the club here. At Lyon, if I’d have got a club tattoo while I was at the academy I’d have had the piss taken out of me! “Suck up!” they’d have said. Here, it is praised! But by contrast, at Lyon if you change your hairstyle or your clothes, people will talk about it. Here, no one cares! The outfits people wear here, and I’m talking about the players, are just….Take Lee Wallace for example, I’ve never seen him wearing jeans (laughs)! At Lyon, you dress well to be stylish or whatever, but here, not at all. There are rumours that Ian Black also has a Rangers tattoo, is that true? No, Blacky’s got a Scotland flag. But that’s the same. I’ve never seen anyone, let alone a footballer, with a French flag tattooed on them. But to me, it’s really great. Anthony Andreu (Hamilton player) told me that he really appreciated the Scottish patriotism, but that it didn’t mean you couldn’t be interested in other cultures too. You’ve always got to remain patriotic, but by the same token you’ve always got to keep open to other influences. It’s exactly that. I’m a patriot, I’m proud of being French, but I still accept others, whatever their nationality or colour. And I’m not just saying this for the sake of it: I’m getting married this summer to my childhood sweetheart and she’s black (laughs)! Earlier you were asking me if Glasgow was divided because of Rangers and Celtic, and it made me think how the city was during the referendum. Glasgow voted Yes as it happened, but it made me laugh because it was at that time that you realised some people just don’t have any ideas of their own. You’re a member of staff at Rangers? Well you must vote No then. I’m certain that some of the guys must have voted Yes though. In fact Richard Foster got involved in arguments with just about everyone at the club because he refused to hide that he was voting Yes. It was mad really (laughs)! Returning to Rangers, I’ve been told that the club gives you an enormous amount of freedom in terms of fitness and diet. It must make a change from the incredibly rigorous regime you were used to at Lyon? To be honest, I don’t mind it too much! No, in all seriousness, you are right. At lunch after training every day, you’ve got all the sauces you want: mayo, barbeque, whatever. They aren’t going to be policing what you eat here. And what’s more, it’s a buffet! As long as you’re playing well and you’re not eating excessive amounts of unhealthy foods, then you can eat what you like. You can even get second helpings. I know for me, who has a metabolism that’s prone to putting on weight pretty easily, I really watch what I eat and restrict myself, and I feel really fit at the minute, much sharper. But that’s because I am careful and look after myself. If a French coach came over here they would go absolutely mental at what the players eat (laughs)! At Lyon, we were really restricted, and the coaches watched what you put on your plate, monitoring to see if you hadn’t put even just the slightest bit too much. It’s too strict sometimes, even in the youth teams. And its then that you’re more likely to get frustrated, just because you’re banned from so many things. I remember at Lyon, with (Claude) Puel and (Remi) Garde (coaches), you couldn’t even approach them to talk to them. Here, on the first day of my trial, McCoist spoke to me in French and said “See you tomorrow my pal!”. I said to myself, “What’s going on! This is Ally McCoist, not just anyone! And he’s talking to me!” Puel and Garde would never come and eat with you, but here, McCoist showers with us (laughs)! Not to mention that he finished a training session by putting himself on the goal line, pulling down his shorts, and making you all hit shots at him because he missed a one on one in the training game… (Laughs) Me and Bilel fell on the floor with laughter. It was insane. The manager who shows his arse to the whole team is one who really is one of the boys. If the coaches want to work you hard, they do, and the laughter is over. But if you do your job well all year round, then they will basically never shout at you. In the changing room before the games, there’s laughter and chat, we have a coffee. At half-time, me and Bilel are sometimes amazed because they drink tea! Blacky is the worst for it. He takes tea and some biscuits at half-time (laughs). It’s much different in France, there’s no comparison. Attendances at Ibrox have been down this year because of the conflict between fans and the board. Since relegation, lots of fans have been saying that the atmosphere is like a “library”, as the Hearts fans were singing the other day. What are your thoughts on this? Well first off, I love the Hearts stadium. Really close to the pitch, lots of echo, great atmosphere. It’s great. Saying that, we don’t have the Union bears anymore. We really miss them. Sometimes, the atmosphere is a little quiet, but at away games, especially the friendlies against Bristol City and Sheffield Wednesday, it was absolutely incredible. The guys were singing the whole game, and if we could have that at Ibrox, it would be superb. Otherwise, the best game in terms of atmosphere was the game when we were in Division 3 against Motherwell in the League Cup. There were probably only about 27, 29 thousand fans there. It was a Tuesday night and we won 2-0, we played really well. Motherwell have made a brilliant start to the season and our fans urged us on all the way, for ever move, and every press. There was a real electricity about the ground. The Union Bears did a display at the end of the game, which said “good-bye” to the Motherwell fans in each different language, it was hilarious (laughs)! There was also the last game of the season in Division 3 against Berwick. Record attendance of 51 thousand fan. When we ran out, the whole stadium was waving the Union Jack. The match was rubbish, but the atmosphere was simply fabulous. When I ran out onto the pitch I had goosebumps, really, it was just amazing. In the tunnel, Simply the Best sounded a million times louder than usual. After the music had stopped, the fans continued singing it a cappella. The first few passes of the game, wow!! Amazing, amazing. And the party afterwards with the fans was brilliant, great memories. What do you make of Boxing Day and the Boxing Day week in general? For me, it’s all about the week. My parents, my gradparents,and my brother all came for the week during my first season over here. There was ten of them, so I had to get them an apartment in Glasgow. I remember my gran was roasting a turkey when I got up to go to training (laughs). Seriously, it was really weird for me. In fact, we were due to meet at 9am instead of 10.30am. No one wanted to come to training on that day, but it’s our job. We all arrived at 9am. We had played 4 days previously again Elgin. We did a warm up, piggy-in- middle for 10 minutes, and then that’s us, everyone back home. I got back at 10am! Do you have a specific fitness programme that you follow during the Christmas period? It’s a personal one. If you want to do fitness, you do fitness. Otherwise, we don’t. At Rangers, the set-up isn’t like Real Madrid. We have a masseur, two physios. You don’t have five masseurs, five phsyios, five fitness coaches! To finish off, how do you view your future, knowing that you’ve hardly played this season and your contract is up at the season’s end? It seems like it might be complicated to stay at Ibrox. I’d love to play in the Championship in England, so I’m looking out for opportunities down there. The thing is, I’ve not played badly over the past two seasons. I’ve not had my chance this season, even when the team has been playing poorly. I don’t complain, I get my head down, I play with the youth team and I keep training as hard as I can. This winter, we will see, but because I’m out of contract in the summer the club can’t loan me out. There’s also the Old Firm game on the 1st February. To be honest, it would really piss me off if I wasn’t here for that. I’ve always said that I would at least like to experience it. Playing in it would be an absolute dream: even just being there to experience it would be amazing. Everyone’s been waiting for this for three years. It would be crazy. Edited December 31, 2014 by Enrico Annoni 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 How many Killie fans you reckon if Killie were cruising the Premiership would show up each week ?, honest question so try not to get nasty ffs. I'm intrigued how big the glory hunting faction are should Killie be top dog. Stadium cap might help ffs, it at least puts a ceiling on how much the club gets and how much the other clubs can lure back. Allow the full stadium during cups for extra cash that gets split. Honest answer - I don't reckon we'd get as many as we did back in the late 90s/early 2000s. Apart from those days having more away fans, people are much more discriminating with their disposable income these days - even before you take into account the economic situation in the town. I don't reckon to a stadium cap, as we all know atmosphere suffers when there's holes in the crowd - believe me, Killie fans know this more than most! If gates can be shared for cup games, why not all matches? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Malloy Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) Hearts home games attendances v Annan Ath - 6,708 (CC) v Hibernian - 17, 280 (L) v Falkirk - 16, 369 (L) v Cowdenbeath - 15, 594 (L) v Livingston - 14, 848 (L) v Dumbarton - 15, 522 (L) v Raith Rovers - 16,372 (L) v Rangers - 17, 004 (L) v Celtic - 12, 676 (SC) v QotS - 15,459 (L) v Alloa Ath - 15,224 (L) Tynecastle capacity - 17,529 For the games versus the smaller teams Hearts would have segregated the Roseburn Stand for both home and away supporters, so there would be unused seats that can not be sold restricting the attendance down by a few 100 plus. Maybe better finding the home support attendance for each match compared to seats available for the home fans. I had a look at the home fixtures for Hearts this year from last season and bar the Edinburgh derby and a visit by Celtic all had lower attendances than any of this seasons league matches. Cheers Snafu for proving your fellow fan talks shoite! Did he really need you running and aiding in his demise? Thicko says his club play to sell out crowds every other week........Not true!...according to your numbers. Thicko says whilst attending he regularly sees over 16000 in attendance........Not true! Average attendance is 14800 Thicko claims thats 95% attendance!.....Not True! Average 84% With friends like you who needs enemies? Edited December 31, 2014 by Tim Malloy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Cheers Snafu for proving your fellow fan talks shoite! Did he really need you running and aiding in his demise? Thicko says his club play to sell out crowds every other week........Not true! Thicko says whilst attending he regularly sees over 16000 in attendance........Not true! Average attendance is 14800 Thicko claims thats 95% attendance!.....Not True! Average 84% With friends like you who needs ememies? I'm guessing by "thicko" you are addressing me....... I was referring to our league attendances actually......even at a "mere" 84% full (which includes lesser attended cup games) compare and contrast with Celtics attendance % please? (actually in attendance please) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistle_do_nicely Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 About to head out for new year. Football aside - hope its a good one for you all, on all sides. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Cheers Snafu for proving your fellow fan talks shoite! Did he really need you running and aiding in his demise? Thicko says his club play to sell out crowds every other week........Not true!...according to your numbers. Thicko says whilst attending he regularly sees over 16000 in attendance........Not true! Average attendance is 14800 Thicko claims thats 95% attendance!.....Not True! Average 84% With friends like you who needs enemies? Stay classy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Malloy Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Stay classy What? He answered to it didnt he? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Interesting interview from Faure about life at Ibrox, apparently Ricky Foster was an independence supporter, it also shows how clueless McCoist was as a manager. http://www.hat-trick.fr/sebastien-faure-lame-des-rangers-cest-jimmy-bell/ How does that link work for you? Page Non Trouvée? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 How does that link work for you? Page Non Trouvée? Works fine for me http://www.hat-trick.fr/sebastien-faure-lame-des-rangers-cest-jimmy-bell/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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