hague Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 And Teams from countries whose co-efficient allows them direct entry into the 'Bloated group stages'. I remember it wasn't so long ago Scotland were one of those countries. The reason we have most of our clubs starting their qualifiers in late July is because as a country our co - efficient has plummeted in recent years. As for Rangers record in Europe..We were the last team from this country to feature in a major European final. and aberdeen are the last to win one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribzanelli Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) European campaigns used to START in september so 'out by xmas' was not that much worse than nowadays. Now they start in July to cater for bloated group stages featuring multi entry Big TV Audience nations. In 1995 Rovers played 6 ties in Europe and were knocked out at the very end of October, this year Aberdeen played 6 and were out by early August. ETA Rovers first game (first game in entire competition) was Aug 8th, Aberdeen's 6th game was Aug 7th. Edited September 9, 2014 by ribzanelli 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Fitlike Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) Ah, so your 7-0 thrashing of Sion took place in September? nae sure. I do know the final was on May 11th edit 1st leg August 18th - 7-0 2nd leg Sep 1st 4-1 this of course was a PRELIMINARY round.... so yes routine euro competition used to start in September (ish) Edited September 9, 2014 by Ken Fitlike 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No8. Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I don't think he ever did get back to us where Groningen figured on the Roseberg/Falkirk scale. And how did the European power house that is Rosenborg BK get on this season in Europe? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsr Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I wanna be a "The rangers" fan. Hurry up. They'll be deid soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Fitlike Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Obviously not, as long as Aberdeen win a cup for the 1st time since 19.., everything is ok, our slide to footballing irrelevance is almost complete. a The Rangers fan talking about football irrelevance 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityDave Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 And Teams from countries whose co-efficient allows them direct entry into the 'Bloated group stages'. I remember it wasn't so long ago Scotland were one of those countries. The reason we have most of our clubs starting their qualifiers in late July is because as a country our co - efficient has plummeted in recent years. As for Rangers record in Europe..We were the last team from this country to feature in a major European final. And that worked out well for you in more ways than one didn't it?. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Obviously not, as long as Aberdeen win a cup for the 1st time since 19.., everything is ok, our slide to footballing irrelevance is almost complete. By our I take it you mean Rangers? Rangers became irrelevant 2 years ago. Next you'll be telling us you were desperate for Celtic to do well in the CL this season or are you just disrespecting the rest of Scottish football for not spending themselves into oblivion like your club did? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityDave Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 So is Scotland's failure in Europe over the last couple of years down to no Rangers in Europe?. Who's fault is that?. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sting777 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Depends what you mean by expected, said it before, it used to be embarrassing when all our club sides were out of Europe by Christmas, now it seems acceptable if they have all been annihilated before the season has really got under way, we have regressed considerably and its getting worse. And it's all because Sevco aren't in the top league. That's Sevco, the team that's been hammered in recent diddy cups by QOTS and Raith Rovers.....dear oh dear! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sting777 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 As for Rangers record in Europe..We were the last team from this country to feature in a major European final. Yeah, through cheating, by playing players that you obviously couldn't afford. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sting777 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 dear oh dear indeed, you will have to show me where I mentioned Rangers, the decline has being going on for years. So you Sevs are not implying that the reason for the decline is because of the death of Rangers?? Why are Sev fans bringing up the UEFA Cup final then even though you only got there by playing players that the club obviously could not afford! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No8. Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 So is Scotland's failure in Europe over the last couple of years down to no Rangers in Europe?. Who's fault is that?. Not at all there has been a steady decline in the standard of football in the country over a number of years and this slide has not been helped by having no Rangers in the top league. Other clubs supporters have not flocked back to the grounds in the way some thought they would and the figures given out as official attendances are scandalous and surely nobody takes them seriously anymore. Your own club are top of the league. That's great but this present ICT are no better than the team that Butcher had playing so well a few seasons. The National team are doing well now under a proper football manager and that is the only positive i can see in the game in Scotland at the moment 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sting777 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Other clubs supporters have not flocked back to the grounds in the way some thought they would and the figures given out as official attendances are scandalous and surely nobody takes them seriously anymore. t Totally agree, when I see a Sevco game at Ibrox on the telly I am astounded at the official crowd given in the papers! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I never mentioned Rangers Stoney, I was clearly talking about the national sides doing well in Europe, but hey you have already made it clear that you could not care less about our European irrelevance. National sides? Scotland, England, Wales & N Ireland? I thought you were blethering about the champions league? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I never mentioned Rangers Stoney, I was clearly talking about the national sides doing well in Europe, but hey you have already made it clear that you could not care less about our European irrelevance. National sides? Scotland, England, Wales & N Ireland? I thought you were blethering about the champions league? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sting777 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Correct, the discussion was people suggesting Scottish Football is just fine, some have said this proven because other teams are winning competitions, some have admitted they do not really care about how irrelevant we are in Europe these days as long as they can laugh at the OF, with ambition like this on display then it is hardly surprising our irrelevance is terminal. Scottish football is doing OK. National team is improving rapidly, most teams have seen increases in their crowds, the honours are being spread out more evenly. Europe is a problem, but it's clear that the start date of these competitions are weighed heavily against any Scottish clubs. It's patently clear what teams are struggling at the moment and one club in particular where terminal could be a very apt word! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aofjays Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Correct, the discussion was people suggesting Scottish Football is just fine, some have said this proven because other teams are winning competitions, some have admitted they do not really care about how irrelevant we are in Europe these days as long as they can laugh at the OF, with ambition like this on display then it is hardly surprising our irrelevance is terminal. Teams without money to compete in Europe not competing in Europe shocker. Armageddon!!! I'd rather be irrelevant than cheats, I guess that's the difference between diddies and such class acts as yourself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Correct, the discussion was people suggesting Scottish Football is just fine, some have said this proven because other teams are winning competitions, some have admitted they do not really care about how irrelevant we are in Europe these days as long as they can laugh at the OF, with ambition like this on display then it is hardly surprising our irrelevance is terminal. To be perfectly honest, I'm not that bothered about perceptions abroad or lack of title races or whatever else the Rangers fans say make Scottish football shite. Like you with Rangers, I just like going to see my team play. I've been lucky over the last 3 years in that my team have won a trophy and I've seen us achieve two excellent victories in Europe whilst playing some very good, effective football. That wont last forever and I'm sure we'll be in the Championship again before too long, pining for the days of Tommy Wright, Stevie May, Murray Davidson etc but that's football. I'll still be showing up at McDiarmid Park (if we've not moved) every second week to watch it regardless. It'd be nice for the Scottish leagues to return to former glories, with all of our teams competing regularly in the latter stages of European competition, but times have changed. Bigger countries have bigger crowds and tv audiences which mean people pay more to broadcast their matches. They can then afford better players, which pulls them further ahead of us. Such is life. With regards to the overall quality, I don't think it's gone down that much. Obviously we've got less financial clout than we once did (and also without a basket case Rangers) and we're having to unearth gems from scrap heaps/rely on players from youth squads more. Surely though that'll help the leagues in the long run? The younger, mostly Scottish, guys will develop earlier, get their moves and the National side will improve. With any luck, teams in Scotland will get transfer fees, like United and ourselves have managed this summer. Or is that overly simplistic? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEADOWXI Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-29126451 Rangers win right to appeal Imran Ahmad cash freezeAnd the saga drags on..........think the best way to make money if involved with Rangers / Sevco / Them is not to have TUPEd over a la Elbows or Fat Salary and keep the money rolling in but work for their laywers....... Their legal bills for the last 2 or 3 years could probably run a few lower league clubs for years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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