Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[wunfellaff]

It's a strange world Wunfellaff, but like I said, I choose not to use the quotes

I am assuming you don't consider this 1 too long. See, we can help each other, you let know know the perfect amount to post that allows the users of this forum to read them without losing their attention. (Oh and don't say "none for you", ya cheeky wee comedian ye! )

Ok then, whats this company that was RFC2012 Limited that is now ASDFGHJKL LIMITED and where in Chuckys plan of asset stripping does it figure?

[Crazy_Frog]

Oh DhenBhoy, it is almost like watching a young Johan Cruyff in action, majestic! You managed to type a post there that was simply a "I'm not responding, i'm too clever" post! Like I said!! Earlier!! Remember? You are really good I shall run along like the good wee fella I am and leave you big boys to it! I have been beaten, and beaten well!

Steelman i'm still not sure how Craig Whyte not paying PAYE and VAT results in Rangers, the football club, CHEATING last season. Exactly what did we cheat? What did we gain from cheating? And of course I expect the banter involved, if you read my first post on this forum I said that I have had some good back and forth laughs about this situation. However, the creepy bitterness and obsession shown by fans on here is past that. We are talking true crackpot levels. Fruit loops to a man

[Henrik's tongue]

beermonkey well I am glad you agree with the pish I spout at least, that's something

Henrik! You read it! I knew you'd be back. Bennett you say? My fellow bear from earlier in the thread? We are the same people are we? This could be good

I doubt it'll be good. Given your contributions so far it will more than likely be pish.

[lodmoorhill]

Ah Henrik I am OFFENDED by that wee fib of yours! I fully understand the whole post may be a bit too long for your attention span, but I did put a wee small section in speficially for my favourite Non-Celtic supporting fan of Rangers! Pah!

DhenBhoy - honestly my friend, see when you do t'internet responses like that, you know the one we spoke about earlier "i'm way too smart to read that, in fact that response is so horrific I simply am far too intellectual to respond, as you can see by my response" it really does make you look as smart as you hope everyone reading this thinks you are. No...seriously! Impressive stuff

Wunfellaff - How is me not using the quote function incomprehensible to you? What part of my points don't you comprehend that you feel the quote function would have helped you? My offer stands, I will personally explain each point you are struggling with. Also, the new company name in charge of the club is not in administration so why would we recieve a 10 point deduction? The club is still the club, the company that owns it goes into administration, liquidation and all other legal jibbery-stuff that all of you people kid on you know about but don't really have the foggiest. Yes, all that 'stuff'!

I'm impressed by the amount of Rangers threads on this forum actually, I mis-judged it. I am enjoying it, full of like-minded people who all love discussing the greatest club in the world. My cup of tea, my cup of tea indeed!

Haven't been on this thread for a while.

Judging by this drivel being posted, I haven't missed much.

Edited August 22, 2012 by lodmoorhill

[Umbungo1874]

Steelman, so your point is that Rangers cheated by deliberately not paying PAYE and VAT? So, the full club was aware of this deliberate non payment? And who told you on the grapevine this was deliberate? That the full club tried to cheat by doing this? However I do thank you for referring to it as "the company that owned Rangers", you will agree with me then that talk of zombie clubs, new clubs, new history, things like that is just a tad..erm, ridiculous? And maybe even a bit bitter?

Rangers Financial controller Ken Olverman was ordered to withhold payment's of £13million to HMRC by Craig Whyte so that looks to me like a deliberate act. The SFA's judicial panel took the view that a number of people must have know and did not bring it to public attention. So no the full Club did not know but a number of people did and did nothing that is why the panel found the only thing worse would be match fixing.

[beermonkey]

Oh beermonkey .. are you that naive ?

He is an Orc and facts are irrelevant .. don't ya know ?

I know .....It's like arguing with my 6 year old. Maybe i should just post a link to some cartoons to distract him.

It works with my daughter.

[Crazy_Frog]

DhenBhoy pray tell me, in detail mind, what facts have i omitted? I..like the rest of you, know very very little about the in's and out's of Rangers business. Now whilst I fully admit this, you people seem to pretend that you in fact DO know about it, so this is where we are stuck!

Wunfellaff, Chucky? Asset stripping? I shall add this to the fairtale book of magic and wizards to go along with "yeez ur gawn intae administration2, yeez wul be deed". We will be minted when that hits the shelves!

[cyderspaceman]

Ah Henrik I am OFFENDED by that wee fib of yours! I fully understand the whole post may be a bit too long for your attention span, but I did put a wee small section in speficially for my favourite Non-Celtic supporting fan of Rangers! Pah!

DhenBhoy - honestly my friend, see when you do t'internet responses like that, you know the one we spoke about earlier "i'm way too smart to read that, in fact that response is so horrific I simply am far too intellectual to respond, as you can see by my response" it really does make you look as smart as you hope everyone reading this thinks you are. No...seriously! Impressive stuff

Wunfellaff - How is me not using the quote function incomprehensible to you? What part of my points don't you comprehend that you feel the quote function would have helped you? My offer stands, I will personally explain each point you are struggling with. Also, the new company name in charge of the club is not in administration so why would we recieve a 10 point deduction? The club is still the club, the company that owns it goes into administration, liquidation and all other legal jibbery-stuff that all of you people kid on you know about but don't really have the foggiest. Yes, all that 'stuff'!

I'm impressed by the amount of Rangers threads on this forum actually, I mis-judged it. I am enjoying it, full of like-minded people who all love discussing the greatest club in the world. My cup of tea, my cup of tea indeed!

Troll.

[Crazy_Frog]

Umbongo, so you agree that the full club didn't know, and in no way was Rangers "cheating" ? Again, I must ask, what did we gain by cheating? We had a dodgy owner who had nae money, bless his cotton socks, pray tell how we get to cheating? Also, there is still talk of titles being stripped based on hee haw, I am interested in that. Remembering before you respond there has been no verdict either way, no evidence to suggest anything was done to gain any sort of sporting advantage, no matter how many stories you make up on your own.

lodmoorhill - what exactly is pish about it? See, I don't understand these posts, at least give me something! Tell me how to better myself and reach your levels of intellectual debate!

beermonkey - I see you are adopting the dhenboy tactic of "let's think of the smartest way to deflect the attention way, that may make me appear smart in the eyes of these strangers on this forum, in fact yes, i'm sure of it, i know let's compare him to a 6 year old, 6 year olds aren't smart!" , although I must admit, DhenBhoy is better at it, i'm sorry mate

Henrik - I didny' forget you, what's wrong with this Bennett fellow then? Just another Rangers fan i take it? Aren't you 1 too though?

[beermonkey]

read back a couple of thousand pages, you might actually learn a few things about what's actually happened

read back & learn a wee bit.

read the facts before you type your posts.

I know very very little about the in's and out's of Rangers business.

Anyone else want to tell him ?

[kiddy]

I see Eddie May's still involved with Sevco, & now taking on additional duties at SU.

said May, who will combine his new role with his current coaching position for Rangers Academy U15s.

I'm amazed Sevco can afford a youth set up as well. It's just like an endless stream of money.

[steelman65]

Oh DhenBhoy, it is almost like watching a young Johan Cruyff in action, majestic! You managed to type a post there that was simply a "I'm not responding, i'm too clever" post! Like I said!! Earlier!! Remember? You are really good I shall run along like the good wee fella I am and leave you big boys to it! I have been beaten, and beaten well!

Steelman i'm still not sure how Craig Whyte not paying PAYE and VAT results in Rangers, the football club, CHEATING last season. Exactly what did we cheat? What did we gain from cheating? And of course I expect the banter involved, if you read my first post on this forum I said that I have had some good back and forth laughs about this situation. However, the creepy bitterness and obsession shown by fans on here is past that. We are talking true crackpot levels. Fruit loops to a man

Ok last try. Rangers did not have enough money to pay the players so they used the money they were legally obliged to pay to HMRC to pay the wages thereby cheating the goverenment of tax revenue. If they had not used that money they would have had to sell some players to balance the books. As every other club in the SPL were paying what they owed and balancing the books Rangers were gaining an advantage by illegal means. Maybe you dont think thats cheating but I think most reasonable people would think it was.

[Crazy_Frog]

Well enlighten me then beermonkey! It appears you are all experts on our situation, I think it's only fair as a fellow fan of Rangers (well, we all are, right?) I should be allowed to know!

Alas however it will have to wait for another time, I have to leave! I promise I will respond point by point when I do return though

DhenBhoy, Henrik, did yeez read this? Say good bye at least!

Here's to another 54 titles for Rangers as fans yourselves, I know you will join me. God bless them.

[Bendarroch]

You really didn't though, did you? You really, really didn't and anyone with eyes can see as much. Which is nice

I really, really, really did, too.

I was expecting so much more after your hype-of-hypes. Then he ran with 'don't listen to them - those nasty Rangers spammers'. Anyone with eyes - well, those with reading skills, too - can see as much.

Did you really mean to say he'll 'Talk Shite'? I could then have called him your big shitter instead. Which is even nicer.

[Forest_Fifer]

Well enlighten me then beermonkey! It appears you are all experts on our situation, I think it's only fair as a fellow fan of Rangers (well, we all are, right?) I should be allowed to know!

Alas however it will have to wait for another time, I have to leave! I promise I will respond point by point when I do return though

Rumbled - maybe if I go away for a bit they'll forget about it

[The Feegie Saint]

Just had a look in the 3rd div forum for this thread and found this pish. Why the f*ck has Rangers in the third division got its own forum? The c*nt that owns this site has become a firmly established member of the succulent lamb brigade. "Oh we need to treat Rangers differently". Piece of fucking nonsense.

The owner of this Site has his tounge up a few rear ends ? His cozy relationship with The current BOD of SMFC, And the preffered Bidders of SMFC are shocking to say The Least ?

[cyderspaceman]

Well enlighten me then beermonkey! It appears you are all experts on our situation, I think it's only fair as a fellow fan of Rangers (well, we all are, right?) I should be allowed to know!

Alas however it will have to wait for another time, I have to leave! I promise I will respond point by point when I do return though

DhenBhoy, Henrik, did yeez read this? Say good bye at least!

Here's to another 54 titles for Rangers as fans yourselves, I know you will join me. God bless them.

Troll. Do not feed.

[Henrik's tongue]

I really, really, really did, too.

Nope

[Umbungo1874]

Umbongo, so you agree that the full club didn't know, and in no way was Rangers "cheating" ? Again, I must ask, what did we gain by cheating? We had a dodgy owner who had nae money, bless his cotton socks, pray tell how we get to cheating? Also, there is still talk of titles being stripped based on hee haw, I am interested in that. Remembering before you respond there has been no verdict either way, no evidence to suggest anything was done to gain any sort of sporting advantage, no matter how many stories you make up on your own.

You miss the point because the Tea lady at Murray park did not know what Mr Olverman was doing is irrelevant the Club was cheating and a number of people knew and did nothing. Neil McCann had part of his wages paid with an EBT which was not disclosed to the SFA and SPL he did not know he was cheating every time he played for Rangers but it was still a fact.

[Stag Nation]

But that's the whole point. There is no-one else that would come in.

What the club ended up with was the best of a bad bunch. If Green hadn't come in with someone else's money do you seriously believe that TBK or Watty would have taken over the club? Hell no. All they were doing was pandering to the fans who would have accused them of doing nothing if the club had folded. So they made a token gesture just to appease the fans.

I'm not a big fan of the suits running the game either, but the fact of the matter is these guys DO run the clubs. If you are on a sound financial footing then sure another suit will turn up to replace the old suit, but only because he thinks he can make money. This is definitely not the case with SevCo. The club is still bleeding money.

Not a single "Rangers man" would touch the club, if that's what you are waiting for. Green is only now realising what others were smart enough to work out months ago.

I still think he is planning a way out sooner rather than later, but one thing is for sure, the next guy that would come in isn't going to do it for the love of the club.

What us diddy fans can't get our heads around is the SevCo fans attitude of "there will always be a rangers." That is exactly the kind of thinking that got you into this mess in the first place!!! If they lose the EBT case and Green has been up to something in the background and then walks away, there will be NO rangers.

If Billy Connolly turned up at Ibrox with £100 million the fans wouldn't trust him, but if Watty turned up with promises of investors in his cardigan pockets the fans would welcome him with open arms.

That's the attitude that will eventually kill your club.

Excellent analysis.