Owsley Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Just been announced, trips to Germany and Southampton cancelled, they will instead prepare for the new season against Benburb, Blantyre Vics and Dukla Pumpherston. Might be some talent on show in those games that Ally could afford, although Chick will obviously play for nothing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalticSaint Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Been a wee while since we had this old classic Oh, the irony 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 If this had all been happening MID season, we might well have been seeing blood on the streets. It's all working out rather well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggie_Murray7 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Naismith on his way to Everton is a rumour I saw on twitter.....what a traitor indeed. Third division or EPL? Hmmmmm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeHectorPar Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I hope the following scenario unfolds - Not enough players - Newco doesn't even get off the ground. All those who have been breaking their backs trying desperately to get Newco into the SPL or SFL1 end up looking really silly and are taken to task for it. Never mind, they can always get Fat Sally and Willy Puller to turn out for them and I'm sure Mark Hateley, Gazza and the Goram twins would do a stint. If nothing else Gazza could give us a good tune on the flute. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bairney Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 If Rangers 2.0 are in any league above div 3 then I'm finished with football altogether. And I'll stand outside east end until leish turns up to hand him my scarf and tell him face to face. Hasve a green one from a Falkirk fan - we're reading on the same page 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friedrich Engels Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Never mind, they can always get Fat Sally and Willy Puller to turn out for them and I'm sure Mark Hateley, Gazza and the Goram twins would do a stint. If nothing else Gazza could give us a good tune on the flute. the Goram twins i shouldn't laugh at that but i am. it gets me everytime. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I love how the videos come out after a bit of news! I play any posted in pop out so I can continue to read the thread. It will have a soundtrack in my mind when I look back in later years.....mainly Motorhead lol..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L J Gibbs Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Loving the outrage at the whole Naismith leaving thing. They were happy when he walked out on Killie at the last minute after forcing their hand . Naismith does what is good for Naismith , no one else. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottxs Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 To the global ex Govan club fanbase. I do not want you to die. This thread is too good to give up, I don't know what I will do without you. My life will never be as full of laughs, fun and happiness once it ends. Please stay, take your time. You don't do dignity! what will we do when the end has happened. i'll have to find something else to do. like talking to the mrs. but to be fair its been a great time had by all. they should name a rollercoaster after this thread cause thats what its been like. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymc Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Rangers Q&A: newco player contract transfers By Alasdair LamontBBC ScotlandSo far, four Rangers players have lodged formalobjections to their contracts being transferred from the old Rangers to the 'newco' . But any player who tries to force a move away could face legal action, newco chief executive Charles Green has warned. Green will meet with PFA Scotland representatives on Monday to discuss the situation, with the union likely to argue the choice is a matter for players . Here we try to explain the varying arguments this situation throws up and examine how it might end. Q: Can players lawfully object to their contracts being transferred? A: This is fundamental to the debate, with the key parties involved holding contrasting views. The players have been advised that under The Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) Regulations 2006 or TUPE, they can transfer to the newco, but are not obliged to. So, Steven Naismith, Steven Whittaker, Rhys McCabe and Sone Aluko, the first players to object, are exercising their right under those regulations. Q: But doesn't the chief executive of the new Rangers, Charles Green, believe the transfers have already taken place as part of his purchase of the assets of the old Rangers? A: Yes he does and in a statement issued on Saturday, Green said the clear legal advice they had received was that "players' purported objection is ineffective" because of that. But TUPE regulations also state that an employer intending to transfer contracts must inform and consult employees' representatives of their intention and in this case, PFA Scotland will argue that did not happen. Q: Is there an issue over players' registrations? A: Yes, as if this issue needed further complications. The Scottish Football Association holds the registrations for all players and to move to a club outside of Scotland (as most, if not all, players who may decide to leave Rangers would likely do) an international transfer certificate (ITC) must be issued. According to Fifa, who have been consulted by the SFA over this matter, it is for the SFA to "decide if the conditions are fulfilled for them to provide the ITC for any player, according to the relevant regulations (Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players)". Only if there was a dispute (and this is highly likely to be the case) could Fifa be asked to mediate. Q: Charles Green says they will take "whatever steps necessary to challenge what we regard as a breach of contract to protect the interests of our club" should players not transfer across. What are his chances of success in getting compensation or indeed preventing players from leaving? A: Fifa's regulations state "a contract signed between a player and a club may be prematurely terminated by either party without consequences of any kind where there is just cause" but whether there has been just cause is examined on a case-by-case basis. Andy Webster's ground-breaking case , resulting from his acrimonious move from Hearts to Wigan, has been cited as a possible precedent. But the reasons for the players' terminating their contracts are so different it is difficult to deduce much from Fifa's decision to order Webster to pay Hearts compensation. Q: Is there a deadline by which Rangers players will have to inform the club of any objections? Rangers players are due to start training on Thursday A: Technically no, but in practice this coming Thursday is a crucial day. That is when the players have been asked to return to training and also the day they are due to receive their first monthly wage since the newco was formed. Employment law specialists believe that if players were to turn up for work, or indeed accept their salary, that would weaken their case if they wished to object to the transfer at a later date. So it is highly likely that by Thursday at the latest, we will have a good idea of which players intend to transfer to new Rangers and which intend to leave. Q: Aren't players and their agents just using this as an excuse to get out of their contracts so they can secure lucrative deals elsewhere? A: That is one interpretation certainly. If the players are free agents, they might be able to command a bigger signing-on fee and better wages than they would under normal circumstances. Rangers manager Ally McCoist said on Friday he was aware of agents touting the players around clubs. Views on this are very subjective, as the players can argue they did their bit for the club by agreeing to 75% wage cuts back in March and given the uncertainty over which league, if any, Rangers will be playing in this season, they are entitled to secure the best deal for themselves. Q: But couldn't they transfer to the newco and then leave, which would at least earn the club some much-needed revenue? A: Again, that's a possibility. Top players like Steven Davis negotiated clauses in their contracts that allowed them to leave for a fraction of their market value, but even the £1.6m Davis would command would be better than nothing for Charles Green's Rangers. The issue for some players, though, is that they have received no communication from Green and with huge uncertainty still surrounding the new owners' financial wherewithal and their intentions for the club, players may be reluctant to see them benefit. It's also worth bearing in mind that Green stated in his prospectus for potential investors that one of the possible advantages of the newco option was a saving of up to £7m in salaries because of the reduced need to keep top players. That would suggest the transfer of contracts was simply to ensure a sell-on value for the club 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 From the Rangers Media Whittaker & Naismith thread: I wonder if they had the balls to tell Ally before it hitting the social networks I can just imagine the pictures in the papers tomorrow - 1, 2 or all 3 of them with cut lips and black eyes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_F Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 At the end of the day, the worst thing that could happen to Sevco would be if all the players agreed to TUPE over, they would be burst in no time at all. With regards the SFL vote, it may have already been mentioned but why would the 20 teams in SFL2 & SFL3 agree to vote Sevco into SFL1? There would be absolutely no benefit in it for them, if they vote no, they could instead all get a slice of the pie by voting yes to SFL3. (Hopefully they just die altogether) And as for an SPL2, clear this from your minds right now for this season. It's far too late in the day for that. Would they not just sell those on high earnings ASAP so they could use the transfer fees to pay the wages of the remaining squad? I was sure that was what the plan was... looks like it's failed as well 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Leitch Loyal Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 NEWSFLASH: Broxi Bear has turned down newco and is set for a move to Edinburgh Zoo. (Await the obvious response.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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craigkillie Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I would absolutely love it if Celtic signed one of the soon to be ex-Rangers players. Particularly if it was one of the total arseholes who their fans all hate. Lafferty would be ideal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuntoiRab Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I play any posted in pop out so I can continue to read the thread. It will have a soundtrack in my mind when I look back in later years.....mainly Motorhead lol..... Lemmy is God, nuff said. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdTheDuck Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 From the Naismith/Whitaker meltdown on RM..... Or is that one of ours? has to be a 5th columnist, surely. Sharpest knife in the barrel? Mixed metaphor that leaps out at you 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 NEWSFLASH: Broxi Bear has turned down newco and is set for a move to Edinburgh Zoo. (Await the obvious response.) Already there..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Would they not just sell those on high earnings ASAP so they could use the transfer fees to pay the wages of the remaining squad? I was sure that was what the plan was... looks like it's failed as well But who's to say they would be able to sell them? A player commanding a fee is a lot less desirable than a free agent. Sevco could have TUPE'd everyone over at full pay, and not recieve a single bid for anyone. That would be a massive gamble. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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