Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[Mr Sugden]

Have told Rod that my season ticket money is his as soon as he announces a 'no' vote. I will refuse to attend any ground of clubs that vote yes.

7 of our group are doing the same, 8 have already renewed and 2 arent going back no matter what. All have said they'll boycott those that vote yes.

Clubs should be very very aware of the effect of non Rangers fans not coming to visit.

[kiddy]

The clubs could put it all down in black and white so we can work it out for ourselves rather than constantly babbling on about how bad it will be, questions like what exactly is your net gain from a home match against Rangers compared to the average, turnover means fcuk all, profit/loss means everything.

If you want to see it in action, just look at how Falkirk have had to deal with the drop the last two seasons.

Whilst in the SPL, the Setanta deal went tits up, they were over exposed to sponsorship from the Construction Industry, the credit crunch happened & they were relegated.

An overpaid, underperforming, squad were turned round inside 2 close seasons & they were left playing with the vast majority of their youth system.

They are still struggling to keep their heads above water, but are getting bye for the time being.

"Cut your cloth accordingly"? Come, join the club. Promotion & relegation are part of the game.

[p&b is a disgrace]

If the SPL had any balls they'd expel Oldco immediately for gross misconduct. No vote and nothing to transfer!

Thats why the Dead Rangers punishment for dual contracts need to be decided before that vote on 4th July. They can't be allowed to move that share over until after any punishment for DR is decided.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

Some of those quotes are 4 weeks old now.

BS, things have changed and we'll just have to wait and see.

The Lawell one's SIX weeks old! This clusterfuck is wriggling and slithering avery which way but loose on a daily basis, and communication from the guys we're relying on has been non-committal at best. Let's just hope (probably forlorn in MJ's case) that they turn round and give their answer on the steps at Hampden with a megaphone, like Wullie Pullar's Nuremberg moment:

"We have listened to the case for admittance of zombie rangers to the SPL, and our answer is.....

f**k OFF AND DON'T COME BACK.

THAT TRANSPARENT ENOUGH FOR YOU, SALLY?"

[Fife Saint]

Everyone, mainly the WoS press, are just forgetting what they've been caught doing.

1. Avoiding, even as far as evading, paying tax via an offshore trust system.

2. In doing so, not registering ALL player contracts with the SFA (which, quid pro quo, would lead HMRC to think that this was taxable income).

3. By doing so, have stiffed some 13 clubs,for 37 trophies, over the 23 years since SDM's arrival at Ibrox. For some of them, it would have been a first EVER piece of silverware & the resultant cash rewards unthinkable. They even forced one of them to the wall, by virtue of a £30k debt, remarking "Business is business".

ALL of the above, has resulted in NO PUNISHMENT WHATSOEVER.

4. Not paying their (or their employees) PAYE & NI contributions.

5. Not declaring that their Chairman & owner was disqualified from holding a directors post for a period of seven years.

6. Witholding payments to fellow member clubs, with respect to ticket sales for both League & Cup matches.

7. Going into administration mid-season, & ultimately liquidation, so writing off debts of circa £135M. Passing off the major assets at a peppercorn rate, whilst leaving creditors with zero pence in the pound.

For these "misdemeanours" they were hit with a 10 point penalty, an SPL TRANSFER EMBARGO, a fine of £160k which has still to be paid & an SFA transfer embargo that was overturned at the CoS. So in effect, the 10 point deduction is all they've had.

Then they want everyone to bend over backwards to let them back in? Exactly what planet do they think people live on?

They should be suspended SINE DIE for those efforts. Irrespective of TV money or not.

They should think themselves lucky if they get away with a years suspension & have to apply to the SFL to regain admittance, in competition with other more desirable applicants.

Whilst the idiots that lap up everything the Glasgow Red Tops pump out. Probably think Contrition was their next Portuguese target, that played in Ukraine last night.

Save your nails, the lad has played a blinder.

[chrismcarab]

Everyone, mainly the WoS press, are just forgetting what they've been caught doing.

1. Avoiding, even as far as evading, paying tax via an offshore trust system.

2. In doing so, not registering ALL player contracts with the SFA (which, quid pro quo, would lead HMRC to think that this was taxable income).

3. By doing so, have stiffed some 13 clubs,for 37 trophies, over the 23 years since SDM's arrival at Ibrox. For some of them, it would have been a first EVER piece of silverware & the resultant cash rewards unthinkable. They even forced one of them to the wall, by virtue of a £30k debt, remarking "Business is business".

ALL of the above, has resulted in NO PUNISHMENT WHATSOEVER.

4. Not paying their (or their employees) PAYE & NI contributions.

5. Not declaring that their Chairman & owner was disqualified from holding a directors post for a period of seven years.

6. Witholding payments to fellow member clubs, with respect to ticket sales for both League & Cup matches.

7. Going into administration mid-season, & ultimately liquidation, so writing off debts of circa £135M. Passing off the major assets at a peppercorn rate, whilst leaving creditors with zero pence in the pound.

For these "misdemeanours" they were hit with a 10 point penalty, an SPL TRANSFER EMBARGO, a fine of £160k which has still to be paid & an SFA transfer embargo that was overturned at the CoS. So in effect, the 10 point deduction is all they've had.

Then they want everyone to bend over backwards to let them back in? Exactly what planet do they think people live on?

They should be suspended SINE DIE for those efforts. Irrespective of TV money or not.

They should think themselves lucky if they get away with a years suspension & have to apply to the SFL to regain admittance, in competition with other more desirable applicants.

Whilst the idiots that lap up everything the Glasgow Red Tops pump out. Probably think Contrition was their next Portuguese target, that played in Ukraine last night.

Out of greenies (again!) cue "applause"

[Sergeant Wilson]

Everyone, mainly the WoS press, are just forgetting what they've been caught doing.

1. Avoiding, even as far as evading, paying tax via an offshore trust system.

2. In doing so, not registering ALL player contracts with the SFA (which, quid pro quo, would lead HMRC to think that this was taxable income).

3. By doing so, have stiffed some 13 clubs,for 37 trophies, over the 23 years since SDM's arrival at Ibrox. For some of them, it would have been a first EVER piece of silverware & the resultant cash rewards unthinkable. They even forced one of them to the wall, by virtue of a £30k debt, remarking "Business is business".

ALL of the above, has resulted in NO PUNISHMENT WHATSOEVER.

4. Not paying their (or their employees) PAYE & NI contributions.

5. Not declaring that their Chairman & owner was disqualified from holding a directors post for a period of seven years.

6. Witholding payments to fellow member clubs, with respect to ticket sales for both League & Cup matches.

7. Going into administration mid-season, & ultimately liquidation, so writing off debts of circa £135M. Passing off the major assets at a peppercorn rate, whilst leaving creditors with zero pence in the pound.

For these "misdemeanours" they were hit with a 10 point penalty, an SPL TRANSFER EMBARGO, a fine of £160k which has still to be paid & an SFA transfer embargo that was overturned at the CoS. So in effect, the 10 point deduction is all they've had.

Then they want everyone to bend over backwards to let them back in? Exactly what planet do they think people live on?

But apart from that......?

[ayrmad]

Not unreasonable but as much as losing Rangers fans is bad financially, it's far from fatal. It's the television deal which is the defining factor of how much shit hits the fan and until we know how much sky will cough up and what the potential rearrangement of the prize money will be, it's best guess time. Or rather worst guess time since regardless of the final number it certainly won't be pretty.

Long term loss of fans will not be pretty either, nobody seems interested in guesstimating these figures.

With a more equitable share of TV money the blow would be lessened a fair bit, don't forget to subtract the walkaways as well.

Doncaster has been telling us constantly about the TV deal, let him put it out and black and white instead of hiding behind bland coverall scaremongering.

Edited June 18, 2012 by ayrmad

[Fife Saint]

Every SPL club losing £500,000 pa and celtic double that every year for the next 3 years. Is this the price we are willing to pay for sporting integrity?

Em, yes. The integrity of the league underpins all commercial aspects. What a ridiculous statement.

[kiddy]

Out of greenies (again!) cue "applause"

Please don't, I've got a negative record to be proud of.

[pozbaird]

Bet this happens. Everyone bar Killie votes No to Newco. Throughout the season, everyone boos Killie and their chairman. As expected, Celtic win the league, with the clinching game coming at Rugby Park, with a near 16,000 sell-out. In one game, Killie make up for the missing Orc gate money. Basturts. Boo, Killie, Boo!

[craigkillie]

BTW, I know your new manager is at 6 and 7s cause he doesn't know for sure yet where Ayr will be playing.

Yes he does. They'll be playing in the 2nd Division. That's not in doubt.

[No8.]

Aside from the fact you shouldn't sell integrity, there's a strong case that keeping a crippled Rangers in the league won't make much money either. Rangers fans will, quite rightly, not pay extortionate prices at Easter Road, Fir Park etc to watch their side play friendlies (and I'm not even convinced they'll bother with season tickets) so that's that income gone and Sky will almost certainly demand to renegotiate the contract given the product has become a procession. And a procession which may even have the 'crown jewels' of the OF games devalued if Rangers fans aren't turning up.

Rangers will sell out their allocations at away games. The talk of boycotts is nonsense and that can be sorted out with little fuss.

I am sure if the right men were in charge at Ibrox the season tickets will be bought in record time.

Sky are not interested in a competitive league. They want Rangers and Celtic for their fan base throughout the UK. Rangers supporters will tune in regardless.

Other clubs have entered Administration...some more than once. They cheated their creditors and their opponents by spending money they didn't have. Did you demand these clubs were punished in the same way? I have said right from my first post on here that i think my club should start again in division 3. I cant remember many supporters of other clubs in Administration saying the same bout their clubs

[ayrmad]

If you want to see it in action, just look at how Falkirk have had to deal with the drop the last two seasons.

Whilst in the SPL, the Setanta deal went tits up, they were over exposed to sponsorship from the Construction Industry, the credit crunch happened & they were relegated.

An overpaid, underperforming, squad were turned round inside 2 close seasons & they were left playing with the vast majority of their youth system.

They are still struggling to keep their heads above water, but are getting bye for the time being.

"Cut your cloth accordingly"? Come, join the club. Promotion & relegation are part of the game.

Yep, and I bet some of the more pleasing on the eye performances came after the meltdown.

[kiddy]

It's a nice time to remind people of exactly who they've stiffed. The only ones missing are their own fans.

[p&b is a disgrace]

Rangers will sell out their allocations at away games.

Reminder - Rangers are dead!

[madwullie]

Long term loss of fans will not be pretty either, nobody seems interested in guesstimating these figures.

With a more equitable share of TV money the blow would be lessened a fair bit, don't forget to subtract the walkaways as well.

Doncaster has been telling us constantly about the TV deal, let him put it out and black and white instead of hiding behind bland coverall scaremongering.

Businesses have to run on facts, not FACTs or guesstimates or projections on what could happen IF the voting system was to be changed.

The more I think about the mfc statement the more I appreciate the reality of it. Here are the consequences of a no vote. If you're still up forthat then fine. But its not going to be pretty no matter how much fans letting their hearts rule their heads imagine it'll be some utopian land of milk and honey without Rangers.

[Loki]

So when Dunfermline, East Stirling & Spartans were thrown out of the Cups over the past few years, did they go back through the rounds & give everybody through the tree a second chance?

No, the team directly affected were awarded the tie & progressed to the next round.

Saying that, a date in a programme will never make up for being robbed of a weekend of celebration.

But every team Rangers eliminated were directly affected. In the instance where the three examples you gave were found out the other club was put through in their place. However if Dunfermline managed to get through another two rounds before their fielding of an inelligible player was discovered it would be harder to put only one club through in its place.

In 1993 when Elgin brought forward their league games to avoid players being suspended, the SFA asked the HFL to withdraw the championship for that year. Elgin were stripped and nobody officially won the league that year. I think that is the more likely outcome if Rangers are found guilty and cups and trophies are taken away from them.

Although these clubs who were robbed may get the chance to get some kind of justice if the Sevco Rangers have to apply for admission into the SFL. Dundee, Falkirk and QoS can vote another club in in their place. Also any other club (if they were to be found guilty) that has been denied a cup run because of Rangers can choose to vote someone else in. However that is making the assumption that the Sevco Rangers will not be in the SPL next season.

[ayrmad]

Reminder - Rangers are dead!

Well in.

[Johnstoun]

I know this was hours ago, but I've been out and haven't caught up:

David Murray, Craig Whyte, Chick Young, Blue Knights,

Double Contracts, Billy Dodds did he do nothing wrong?

Haudit Daudit, Big Hoose Guy, Cockwomble, full of lies,

Big Tax Case, Little Tax Case, Jean Alain Boumsong,

RFFF, New Pitch, Daily Record, Rangers' Bitch,

HMRC, Liquidation, history goodbye

Porno Maker, Chuck Green, FTP, God Save The Queen

Fat Sally won't go, Joanna Lumley said no!

We didn't vote for newco

Club 12 sounds much better

Send your teams a letter

We didn't vote for newco

We'd have chased them faster

But for Donkeymaster