Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[PeeTeeJag]

A few years ago at Thistle v Gr£tna game I got chatting to a greetna fan and I asked "you do realise that this will all crash and burn around you, dont you?"

His reply was "Yeah, but its great whilst it lasts."

We kept in touch, and lets just say the following year he wasnt so blasie about his clubs predicament. But he did say something interesting. He had supported Gr£tna for years but was glad they did what they did and left him with many happy memories and didnt regret Mileston getting involved.

I wonder if given a time machine if the rankgers fan would go back a stop DM from buying the club knowing how it will all end?

[Sergeant Wilson]

Jardine actually said that the options of the supporters groups could include "do sanctions against other clubs" (We'll ignore the poor English). If he, as a club employee, condones and supports this action, will he be bringing the game in to disrepute? I think he has. As did McCoist when he demanded the names of the panel. He, or someone at the club, knew the rules regarding anonimity. Therefore he deliberately broke the rules as well. Apart from the fact, pointed out by Gibbons, that he actually knew who they were anyway.

[lithgierose]

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Posted Today, 09:10 AM

I see the obsessives from Pie and Bovril are looking in again. Poor, pathetic wretches fixated on their betters.

Let's have a good protest today.

[Co.Down Hibee]

Fat Sallys comments about the OF being special cases I assume are based on the size and stature of the clubs, however maybe he needs to be reminded of his "Super" club having a 50 quid bill for a local face painting company that they could not afford, as far as I'm aware us wee clubs have not had that particular embarresment . Wise up Sally.

[jagfox]

More facepalmery from Rangers Media

Particularly posts 14 and 16 on that thread.

Seriously, what the f**k is wrong with these people?

It's easier to list what's right with them.

1. Hmmm, anyone got any ideas?

[iceblink]

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More facepalmery from Rangers Media

Particularly posts 14 and 16 on that thread.

Seriously, what the f**k is wrong with these people?

Looks like our superiors are watching us watching them - "obsessive"

Edited April 28, 2012 by iceblink

[Jeffo]

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A few years ago at Thistle v Gr£tna game I got chatting to a greetna fan and I asked "you do realise that this will all crash and burn around you, dont you?"

His reply was "Yeah, but its great whilst it lasts."

We kept in touch, and lets just say the following year he wasnt so blasie about his clubs predicament. But he did say something interesting. He had supported Gr£tna for years but was glad they did what they did and left him with many happy memories and didnt regret Mileston getting involved.

I wonder if given a time machine if the rankgers fan would go back a stop DM from buying the club knowing how it will all end?

90%of the Rangers fans i know are glory hunters so without the success I don't think they would have ever supported a team from Glasgow when they live in Fife so I think that would answer your question

[PeeTeeJag]

My mate in London just text to say he could have made and sent me up a full sized cardboard cut out of this guy to put in Cathcart Road before the protest today, just to see how many of them actually got the reference.

Edited April 28, 2012 by PeeTeeJag

[Claymores]

If you look RangersMedia or FF or VB - the 'element' is looking to cause 'bother' - can you imagine a 'march' without Billy Boys and others songs? This could well be the final nail in the coffin when reasonable people decide the Gers should die

[chico]

Best article I have read since the farce started

To be fair he wrote a stoater in mid February talking about their i triumphalism.

http://m.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/opinion/comment/glenn-gibbons-pride-and-profligacy-a-prelude-to-rangers-fall-1-2124217#

As with the rise of Nazism and fascism in between-the-wars Germany and Italy respectively, the most pressing question asked in retrospect has been: how could it have been allowed to happen? In the 1930s, it was concluded that entire populations were duped because Hitler built the autobahns and presided over the introduction of the Volkswagen Beetle, while Mussolini made the trains run on time.

Sixty years on, it was not difficult for any non-aligned observers to see that, in truth, Murray’s pot-hunting bluster and bravado appealed to Rangers supporters’ innate taste for triumphalism. This is a remark that will doubtless raise hackles and cause veins to pop on fevered brows, but it is a trait that becomes evident too regularly to be dismissed as insignificant.

Nailed it.

[WaffenThinMint]

Archie MacPherson doing apologetics for the Axis Of Evil. In the Glasgow Herald. No surprise there on two counts.

Is the party finally over?

Archie Macpherson

Now that so much raw emotion has been unleashed on the subject of Murray and Whyte's re-enactment of Burke and Hare, delivering a slowly decomposing corpse to the scalpels of the club's detractors, I realise that my admission to being an Old Firm junkie who cannot envisage life without that special 'fix' might be considered an endorsement of depravity.

The 1980 Scottish Cup final is long remembered for the invasion of the pitch by Rangers fans after Celtic won 1-0. Picture: SNS That is simply what the addict has to face up to: bearing the odium of those who know they would not need to employ the forensic skills of Robert Jay QC to expose this fixture as a corruption of civilised behaviour. Case closed, they would say.

Now I have been lectured often on the subject and even though I profess to living as close as humanly possible to the strictures of the Good Book, and am only at odds with that bit about how fruit was so bad for us in the Garden of Eden but so good for us now, I am surrounded by doubters of my character whenever I rank that game as the nutrient without which Scottish football would sag into a kind of Icelandic league without the benefits of hot-springs and geysers.

This admission stems principally from my experience in 1980 when, looking down on the pitch at the tribal mayhem after the Scottish Cup final between the two, as the hordes clashed, white horses roamed the Hampden range and bottles flew like Exocets, I suddenly became aware that my words of condemnation – with, admittedly, some trite moralising – could, in effect, be adding to the ammunition of those who would want to see, there and then, these encounters end.

Already I was feeling scary withdrawal symptoms. Here was an institution that up till then had seemed too big to fail, so entrenched to be uprooted, and apparently protected by both sides in their use of embellished anecdote that tried to elevate the fixture to some transcendental phenomenon. My head had been swayed by such.

On one occasion, for instance, I was privileged to be addressed by a gentleman who hailed from Dennistoun, in a bar in Kearney, New Jersey. With the aid of much Jack Daniels and a little of American history, he related the famous Cox-Tully kicking incident of 1949 to the Rights of Man and quoted Thomas Paine to me, 'Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered'. I chose not to belittle that analogy as I feared I would have Marx thrown back at me. But for a junkie like me this was the stuff that dreams are made of. Recollections of past games, woven into the threads of other issues, providing a tapestry that no other sporting event could match. Wha daur meddle wi' that?

And then came that final where I did think that society would tolerate no more of this. In the immediate aftermath it seemed the government would be minded to end it all, until reality seeped in and the logistics of permanently separating the two seemed mere fantasy. But the thought did not desert me that possibly the circumstances might arise which would make such an outcome entirely feasible. These, apparently, have now arrived.

To the addict, that is alarming. Let us assume that tomorrow's game will be the last approaching some kind of parity in the respective strengths of the clubs, and depending on how the latest Paul Murray/Brian Kennedy bid pans out. Rangers will, thereafter, either be absent from the Scottish Premier League or so emasculated as to be merely the Glenbuck Cherrypickers of that same division, if allowed to remain. To all intents and purposes the Old Firm tradition would have ended.

There would be one winner permanently, either in the fixture itself or of the league in general. Those in the Celtic family would feel they had attained a state of Nirvana, minus the anxiety and pain of the possibility of defeat. But isn't it that possibility which brought the best out of Celtic in the past? Wasn't it the raison d'etre of Jock Stein who, amid all the considerations, including Europe, said that beating Rangers was his primary objective in life. Ask Billy McNeill. That was the dynamic that created the nine-in-a-row phase in an age when Rangers had admirable teams. Minus their great rivals, Celtic, of course, could easily exist within a comfort zone that would only be threatened by complacency. But would it equip them to make the quantum leap from what would inevitably be a more parochial and less competitive league for them to a European level which is where they really want to distinguish themselves?

Consider the dazzling European semi-finals of this week and you end up with a sore head contemplating the difference in quality. Look at the past recent record of both clubs, and on the one hand reaching the qualification stage for Europe would potentially be easier for Celtic, but, actually qualifying, credibly more difficult. In a diminished league that first hurdle could increasingly assume the proportions of Becher's Brook.

Not that that in itself would initially matter to the clubs outside Glasgow who, according to the language on the websites, seem to be in a 'Sink The Bismark' mood, with the obvious target Ibrox. Their idea is fairness for all. You can't argue against that. But what about quality? That is the only factor which will cause Scottish football to endure in a highly competitive and now indispensable television market.

Despite the egregious nature of either club's domination of the league, which has admittedly sucked the interest out of many provincial supporters, you don't revive it by simply shoving one club to the fringes of the game. If they have been guilty of transgressions that is where they deserve to end up. But it would be foolish to anticipate a renaissance in the nature of Scottish football simply by enacting that.

So fairness overall and sporting integrity, all wrapped up with pink-bows, will never allay the need for the 'fix', even though its origins seem mundane. For it all started on May 28, 1888, when 2000 turned up to see the first Old Firm game. According to reports, the players retired to a local hall, where they shared tea and engaged in some harmonious singing.

Little could they realise that from such a harmless tableaux would emerge a powerful and perhaps illicit drug that would make me one of its many victims and for which I feel no shame.

"Despite the egregious nature of either club's domination of the league, which has admittedly sucked the interest out of many provincial supporters, you don't revive it by simply shoving one club to the fringes of the game."

The history of Queen's Park shows otherwise. Football is littered with fallen giants and not once has the collapse of a major side resulted in the collapse of football in a nation.

[welshbairn]

According to this the Blue Knights are only offering the creditors £5 million, or about 4p in the pound. I'm not too sure who the debenture holders are that they're offering to pay off separately, but if they're like shareholders, surely they shouldn't get a penny, the club's bankrupt FFS..?

On the the matter of Ticketus and Whyte, could the deal breaker be that Whyte will refuse to release his shares unless the club take on all responsibility for the £27 million owed to Ticketus, and Ticketus guarantee they won't pursue him personally for it? Plus enough cash to finish off the refurbishment of Castle Grant of course.. His share ownership is the only leverage he has, he's not going to just hand them over.

[Bearwithme]

To be fair he wrote a stoater in mid February talking about their i triumphalism.

"Murray’s pot-hunting bluster and bravado appealed to Rangers supporters’ innate taste for triumphalism".

http://m.scotsman.co...fall-1-2124217#

Nailed it.

Alternatively, football fans like winning things.

[iceblink]

Brian Kennedy in the record

They are not xenophobes but they want people they know to take charge of saving their club. They are also vehemently against the prospect of losing 140 years of history.

............

“Yes, if Craig Whyte doesn’t co-operate in our attempts to keep Rangers alive then we might have to go down a route like the one Miller is proposing. But only as a last resort.

“The Rangers fans will accept that. They will NOT accept it as a first resort – which is why they’ll resist the American bid with all their might.

So they're going to liquidate them, and blame Craig Whyte for it, and give the creditors about half what Miller proposes, relying on the xenophobic nature of the support to help thir bid win?

[Captain_Sensible]

Alternatively, football fans like winning things.

Indeed, which is why fans of diddy clubs will turn out in numbers in we got shot of the Old Firm.

[Bearwithme]

Brian Kennedy in the record

So they're going to liquidate them, and blame Craig Whyte for it, and give the creditors about half what Miller proposes, relying on the xenophobic nature of the support to help thir bid win?

Murray did say, "They are not xenophobes". Though of course you might not want to believe him. There is a lot of suspicion of the Miller bid as many see it as a lquidation strategy (or the equivalent). Liquidation might be forced upon us in the end but that's a different matter.

[Granny Danger]

According to this the Blue Knights are only offering the creditors £5 million, or about 4p in the pound. I'm not too sure who the debenture holders are that they're offering to pay off separately, but if they're like shareholders, surely they shouldn't get a penny, the club's bankrupt FFS..?

On the the matter of Ticketus and Whyte, could the deal breaker be that Whyte will refuse to release his shares unless the club take on all responsibility for the £27 million owed to Ticketus, and Ticketus guarantee they won't pursue him personally for it? Plus enough cash to finish off the refurbishment of Castle Grant of course.. His share ownership is the only leverage he has, he's not going to just hand them over.

There has been speculation at various stages that certain creditors (Ticketus and the debenture holders) will be treated differently from others. I would like to think that one or more of the other creditors will challenge this, hopefully just at the point where the administrators think they have a deal!

[WBR]

I hope this can be a turning point for our game but don't really believe it will happen. If Rangers punishments are to be diluted simply because they are Rangers then what other things should be different (if not already)? Performancing enhancing drugs ok for Rangers but nobody else? A guaranteed number of penalties a season? Fixed cup draws? We all need a strong Rangers after all. How about they get an extended transfer window or they need two players to be offside before it's actually offside? The more power they have the better our game will be for all of us. Bollocks. This is a football association where the rules and disciplinary processes should be the same for every member, regardless of how many fans they have, what sponsors they attract, how much tv money they bring in. The level of Rangers wrong-doing is unprecedented and so, therefore, should be the punishment.

The stench coming from Ibrox is almost unbearable (ha ha). McCoist's comments of the last few days are stunning and I can't figure out if this is desparation or calculated bullying. I think he's trying to compare Rangers to the likes of RBS and that the economic effect of them being fairly punished would be too far-reaching to be carried out without destroying the game here. If the authorities don't hammer them then I think the game will be destroyed as far as many of us are concerned. That may also be the view of those outside Scotland but I'm not sure anyone cares. Can we look forward to Rangers competing in Europe with a Fair Play badge on their shirts?

As a comparison to my club's situation, when we nearly folded a few years ago, we knew it was our directors' fault - our fault. We had to do something about it. Money was raised to pay off debts. One method of fund-raising was a sponsored walk from Shawfield to Broadwood (something which still happens each year). We have cut our cloth accordingly and are prioritising payment of debt. That's why we fininshed bottom of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd divisions in consecutive seasons. We effectively relegated ourselves to the bottom division. Winning titles is not on the agenda - paying debt is. So, as a global institution, surely Rangers fans could have a multitude of sponsored walks to deal with their situation to at least change public perceptions about their self-importance, to show some remorse and take responsibility? No, that's right - they're doing a protest march to Hampden because the SFA are being unfair to them. That is the difference with this club and why we would be better off without them. By blaming those around them, they act like a junkie, lashing out at those from whom they've stolen to feed their addiction and expecting them to help. So, on Monday, will it be methadone, rehab or the grave?

Edited April 28, 2012 by WBR

[Captain_Sensible]

Murray did say, "They are not xenophobes". Though of course you might not want to believe him. There is a lot of suspicion of the Miller bid as many see it as a lquidation strategy (or the equivalent). Liquidation might be forced upon us in the end but that's a different matter.

Better to be liquidadted, end of, rather than liquidated and start up again as a newco?

I do agree with you mind you.

[WaffenThinMint]

Alternatively, football fans like winning things.

Yes, but most football fans don't go into dummy spitting screaming meltdowns when their club doesn't win trophies every season, or absurdly talk about it being a crisis because they "only" finished 2nd or 3rd.