welshbairn Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Could be right but I haven't seen the 'conditions' of his purchase of the shares. Even if it does exist, it is a bit like me buying a pound of mince at Asda (or a Lafferty as it is known in these parts), walking out of the store when an Asda person says you can't have that because you beat your wife (or any other offence). Too late mate. Take me to court of you want but I'm hanging onto my mince. Think if Duffman thought there was any substance in his argument, he would have been through the High Court already. After all Whyte's ownership is a bigger deterrent to would be purchasers than the Ticketus 'deal'. Here's a copy of the Share Purchase Agreement, it's quite a fun read! My link Another thing that Duffman might have noticed is that Whyte promised only to use his own or third party funds to buy the club. As he used 2nd party (Rangers) assets that could be another breach. I've no idea how binding these clauses are though, and you may be right. We should find out soon enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I don't think we really know what would happen crowd-wise if Newco Rangers get sprung-in one way or another. Plenty people on P&B say they'll abandon their club and the game... perhaps totally, perhaps going to non-league football... but that's maybe easier to say than it will be to do in reality. Their club's an emotional attachment. Your typical P&Ber might also be more "militant 'n motivated" than your average fan in general. Certainly, I think a "catastrophic" fall is unlikely. I appreciate what your saying HJ but I wouldn't underestimate the feeling of utter contempt that most fans would have towards not just the SPL/SFA but also their own clubs for allowing Rangers Newco straight back in. If our league is purely about showing 4 OF games a season with the rest of us squabbling over an ever decreasing TV deal to the extent of letting the rules be not just bend but ram raided by one of the big two then more than a few shall walk away from the game. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Jack D Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I wouldn't ditch the game, just the Scottish League and cup version of it. To be honest I'm quite disillusioned at present but knowing that a club blatantly cheated it's way to the non-competition we now have, it would be unforgivable if they were let off with little more than a slap on the wrist. Either they are treated like any other club or its ta ta! From the fellow diddy club supporters I have spoken to, I'm in a considerable majority! That said, I'm repeatedly told we don't matter and it's all about the OF. We'll see....... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 How long have you supported Raith Rovers? I find it difficult to understand why someone with meaningful emotional attachments to a club would ditch it if Rangers were one way or another 'saved' - but particularly someone who supports an SFL club who probably wouldn't even have a say. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I wouldn't ditch the game, just the Scottish League and cup version of it. To be honest I'm quite disillusioned at present but knowing that a club blatantly cheated it's way to the non-competition we now have, it would be unforgivable if they were let off with little more than a slap on the wrist. Either they are treated like any other club or its ta ta! From the fellow diddy club supporters I have spoken to, I'm in a considerable majority! That said, I'm repeatedly told we don't matter and it's all about the OF. We'll see....... I agree totally. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 How long have you supported Raith Rovers? I find it difficult to understand why someone with meaningful emotional attachments to a club would ditch it if Rangers were one way or another 'saved' - but particularly someone who supports an SFL club who probably wouldn't even have a say. I guess it comes down to which the SPL/SFA see as more important - preserving Rangers or preserving the integrity of their competitions. If its the latter then I wouldnt blame anyone who decided to walk away from it all 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killingfloorman Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) I guess it comes down to which the SPL/SFA see as more important - preserving Rangers or preserving the integrity of their competitions. If its the latter then I wouldnt blame anyone who decided to walk away from it all Have a greenie. If it's all about TOF/SKY then the game's a bogie. What's the point of playing if the result's rigged? Edited March 27, 2012 by killingfloorman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 How long have you supported Raith Rovers? I find it difficult to understand why someone with meaningful emotional attachments to a club would ditch it if Rangers were one way or another 'saved' - but particularly someone who supports an SFL club who probably wouldn't even have a say. I've supported Hearts all my life & a season ticket holder for the mainstay of that too but I'm not the type to be emotionally blackmailed. It would be a bit like falling in love with but having a sexless marriage to a pornstar.............and being expected to watch her "work" ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitswit Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 There are several well run non league sides who would love the addition of new supports who are sick of the SPL/SFL. People are not going to just stop going to all football - someone will always benefit from these things and probably best to ensure it is someone deserving of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 How long have you supported Raith Rovers? I find it difficult to understand why someone with meaningful emotional attachments to a club would ditch it if Rangers were one way or another 'saved' - but particularly someone who supports an SFL club who probably wouldn't even have a say. I agree, why would I want to punish my club and the SFL when they have no say in the matter. Just because the SPL are cravenly greedy and corrupt, and the SFA lily livered ineffectuals, shouldn't stop me enjoying my football in the SFL. It might make some point to boycott the Cups, other than the Challenge Cup, but I probably wouldn't do that either. Why should I let a bunch of cheating Weegies and self interested Chairmen fcuk up my Saturdays? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 How long have you supported Raith Rovers? I find it difficult to understand why someone with meaningful emotional attachments to a club would ditch it if Rangers were one way or another 'saved' - but particularly someone who supports an SFL club who probably wouldn't even have a say. I find your posts highly illuminating but find you very dispassionate as a supporter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fife Saint Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Odd goings on at SMP. These cretins know no limit to how low they can stoop. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) I guess it comes down to which the SPL/SFA see as more important - preserving Rangers or preserving the integrity of their competitions. If its the latter then I wouldnt blame anyone who decided to walk away from it all I wouldn't blame anyone either, each person's view is their own - but it's the rationale I don't really see in the case of a Raith fan. Being a fan is about support, loyalty and emotional connections. In the case of clubs which probably won't have a say in the matter... Berwick are similar... it seems incompatible to disown them when they couldn't do anything about it. In my eyes, there's not much support or loyalty in that. Edited March 27, 2012 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I guess it comes down to which the SPL/SFA see as more important - preserving Rangers or preserving the integrity of their competitions. If its the latter then I wouldnt blame anyone who decided to walk away from it all I take it you really mean the former? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I agree, why would I want to punish my club and the SFL when they have no say in the matter. Just because the SPL are cravenly greedy and corrupt, and the SFA lily livered ineffectuals, shouldn't stop me enjoying my football in the SFL. It might make some point to boycott the Cups, other than the Challenge Cup, but I probably wouldn't do that either. Why should I let a bunch of cheating Weegies and self interested Chairmen fcuk up my Saturdays? I see your point, but by accepting the situation, both you, & more importantly the club you support, would be complicit. Should the SFA sanction such an act. The SFL, & it's member clubs, should then withdraw from their agreement with the SPL & take the case up with UEFA/FIFA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I find your posts highly illuminating but find you very dispassionate as a supporter. See in this scenario, I feel like I think the way I do due to the very opposite!! If I'm passionate about my club, and have a bond with it, support for it and loyalty to it: what's it say about me if I disown them? Particularly (in the likely case of SFL fans) over something they couldn't do anything about? To me, that seems a dispassionate position. Sticking by them, as opposed to discarding them, seems the passionate position. I agree, why would I want to punish my club and the SFL when they have no say in the matter. Just because the SPL are cravenly greedy and corrupt, and the SFA lily livered ineffectuals, shouldn't stop me enjoying my football in the SFL. It might make some point to boycott the Cups, other than the Challenge Cup, but I probably wouldn't do that either. Why should I let a bunch of cheating Weegies and self interested Chairmen fcuk up my Saturdays? Another fair point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I see your point, but by accepting the situation, both you, & more importantly the club you support, would be complicit. Should the SFA sanction such an act. The SFL, & it's member clubs, should then withdraw from their agreement with the SPL & take the case up with UEFA/FIFA. That I'd like to see... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 See in this scenario, I feel like I think the way I do due to the very opposite!! If I'm passionate about my club, and have a bond with it, support for it and loyalty to it: what's it say about me if I disown them? Particularly (in the likely case of SFL fans) over something they couldn't do anything about? To me, that seems a dispassionate position. Sticking by them, as opposed to discarding them, seems the passionate position. We will have to agree to disagree about this. I see your position as a rational one but do not accept rationality equals passion. Over the years I have known people who stopped attending matches for a myriad of reasons, and can fully understand the admission of a newco Rangers directly into the SPL being the final straw for some people. If this were some type of stand alone scenario it may be more palatable but for many it would be seen as the continuation, and probably to date, the pinnacle, of preferential treatment towards the OF by everyone involved in the Scottish football establishment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I take it you really mean the former? Yes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geefoxer Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 When people say things like "Whyte did not buy the club with his own money", are they talking about the shares because he did use his own money for that. £1 to be exact. He used the Ticketus money to pay off the bank loan to reduce the monthly expenditure. RBS will not return the £18m. If Rangers sell season tickets as is their intention and the Ticketus deal is null and void, Ticketus will then become just another creditor to be paid 3p in the £. They must be feeling pretty stupid right now because they must realise that they were never going to be the sole trader of the season tickets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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