Jacksgranda Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Some things just fade from public perception in time, I suppose. If you stopped 100 people in the street how many would even know of the sinking of Princess Victoria. Seems a slightly macabre list but I suppose it also puts things in context. I've excluded things like the London smog, heatwaves / coldsnaps, the Troubles, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_disasters_in_Great_Britain_and_Ireland_by_death_toll 270 - Lockerbie airliner bombing 193 - Herald of Free Enterprise ferry sinking 167 - Piper Alpha oil platform fire 144 - Aberfan slag heap disaster 133 - Princess Victoria ferry sinking (91 died elsewhere at sea and 307 on land by North Sea floods caused by the same storm) 118 - Staines air crash 112 - Harrow rail crash 104 - Whitehaven mine disaster 96 - Hillsborough stadium crush 90 - Lewisham rail crash 81 - Easington mine disaster 80 - Llandow air crash 80 - Creswell mine disaster 75 - sinking of HMS Affray 72 - Stockport air crash 66 - Ibrox stadium crush 64 - sinking of HMS Truculent 56 - Valley Parade stadium fire 56 - 7/7 London bombings 55 - Manchester air crash 51 - Marchioness pleasureboat sinking 50 - Summerland leisure centre fire 49 - Hither Green rail crash 47 - Samtampa steamship sinking 47 - Auchengeich mine disaster 47 - Kegworth air crash 45 - Aberbeeg mine disaster 45 - Isle of Wight flying boat crash 45 - Sumburgh helicopter crash 43 - Bourne End rail crash 43 - Moorgate underground crash 41 - Little Baldon air crash I haven't heard of half of them, but I'm assuming most of them must have happened in my life time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 I haven't heard of half of them, but I'm assuming most of them must have happened in my life time. Princess Victoria ferry sinking is not well known because it was the same night as the great North Sea\Canvey Island flood. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_flood_of_1953 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 (edited) Depend when you were born... From 1980s onwards the list is limited to: Lockerbie (1988), Herald of Free Enterprise (1987), Piper Alpha (1988), Hillsborough (1989), Valley Parade (1985), Manchester air crash (1985), Marchioness boat sinking (1985), Kegworth air crash (1989), Sumburgh helicopter crash (1986) and the 7/7 bombings (2005) which represents only occurrence since 1980s with more than 40 fatalities. That said 3 worst since WWII occurred from March 1987-December 1988. Improved transport safety, no mines, etc. Edited May 1, 2016 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 I remember it being really fucking hot in the summer of 2003 but I sure as hell don't remember 2,000 people dying 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 The 80's was a truly awful decade then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 (edited) I remember it being really fucking hot in the summer of 2003 but I sure as hell don't remember 2,000 people dying It'll be "increased death-rate". I remember Paris outcry. It'll have happened most heat-waves / cold-snaps, just 2003 is post-internet. Edited May 1, 2016 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 It'll be "increased death-rate". I remember Paris outcry. It'll have happened most heat-waves / cold-snaps, just 2003 is post-internet. What does that mean? People with cancer etc dying faster than they'd be expected or people literally dropping dead? As a side note, I spent that summer living with my dad's sister down in London. I dunno what it was like in Scotland, but f**k me it was hot down there. I've never holidayed any further away than Turkey/Greece/Canaries and rarely go away at the height of summer, but London that summer was even hotter than I've ever experienced abroad. Sitting in a car was almost unbearable and you'd be necking a litre of water every hour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Rogic Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Depend when you were born... From 1980s onwards the list is limited to: Lockerbie (1988), Herald of Free Enterprise (1987), Piper Alpha (1988), Hillsborough (1989), Valley Parade (1985), Manchester air crash (1985), Marchioness boat sinking (1985), Kegworth air crash (1989), Sumburgh helicopter crash (1986) and the 7/7 bombings (2005) which represents only occurrence since 1980s with more than 40 fatalities. That said 3 worst since WWII occurred from March 1987-December 1988. Improved transport safety, no mines, etc. Marchioness boat was 1989 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Rogic Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 (edited) Jimmy McGoverns excellent docudrama on Hillsborough is on ITV shortly For those in their 20's and younger this YouTube film by ESPN is the best piece of film on the disaster and subsequent cover up Very in depth and pulls no punches, if a somewhat difficult watch at times http://youtu.be/sdfcxGKIyog Edited May 1, 2016 by Tom Rogic 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardy Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Jimmy McGoverns excellent docudrama on Hillsborough is on ITV shortly For those in their 20's and younger this YouTube film by ESPN is the best piece of film on the disaster and subsequent cover up Very in depth and pulls no punches, if a somewhat difficult watch at times http://youtu.be/sdfcxGKIyog Watched this, and the Hillsborough docudrama earlier in the week. Very harrowing watch the both of them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 What does that mean? People with cancer etc dying faster than they'd be expected or people literally dropping dead? Heat-stroke, dehydration, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_European_heat_wave 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Princess Victoria ferry sinking is not well known because it was the same night as the great North Sea\Canvey Island flood. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_flood_of_1953 Living in Northern Ireland the Princess Victoria is one of the ones I do know about. (I was 2 months old when it happened.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 The question was asked further above why this would be different from any other matchday at Hillsborough. There was no cordons/little cowd control this time,with a very large support-it can be imagined how bad this was and why it was different was my point. Liverpool asked to change ends as there had been some crushing and discomfort the previous year. I believe it's on record that one of the young lads who died turned to his dad and commented "Oh no, not that ground again" when they heard the 1989 semi was at Hillsborough. There is no evidence for ticketless fans. On alcohol-you'll be aware that blood alcohol levels were taken from all those who died-including a ten year old-none had been drinking to excess. Pretty sure there are no reports of drunken behaviour in the crowd, but I might be corrected on that. Some things just fade from public perception in time, I suppose. If you stopped 100 people in the street how many would even know of the sinking of Princess Victoria. Seems a slightly macabre list but I suppose it also puts things in context. I've excluded things like the London smog, heatwaves / coldsnaps, the Troubles, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_disasters_in_Great_Britain_and_Ireland_by_death_toll 270 - Lockerbie airliner bombing 193 - Herald of Free Enterprise ferry sinking 167 - Piper Alpha oil platform fire 144 - Aberfan slag heap disaster 133 - Princess Victoria ferry sinking (91 died elsewhere at sea and 307 on land by North Sea floods caused by the same storm) 118 - Staines air crash 112 - Harrow rail crash 104 - Whitehaven mine disaster 96 - Hillsborough stadium crush 90 - Lewisham rail crash 81 - Easington mine disaster 80 - Llandow air crash 80 - Creswell mine disaster 75 - sinking of HMS Affray 72 - Stockport air crash 66 - Ibrox stadium crush 64 - sinking of HMS Truculent 56 - Valley Parade stadium fire 56 - 7/7 London bombings 55 - Manchester air crash 51 - Marchioness pleasureboat sinking 50 - Summerland leisure centre fire 49 - Hither Green rail crash 47 - Samtampa steamship sinking 47 - Auchengeich mine disaster 47 - Kegworth air crash 45 - Aberbeeg mine disaster 45 - Isle of Wight flying boat crash 45 - Sumburgh helicopter crash 43 - Bourne End rail crash 43 - Moorgate underground crash 41 - Little Baldon air crash Had never heard of most of them, I'm going through to Staines tomorrow to go to the cinema and was completely unaware such a disaster had happened so close, with the amount of air traffic that goes overhead it probably shouldn't be as surprising. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Raccoon Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 The 80's was a truly awful decade then. Duran Duran were pretty decent though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountyFan Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Just reading up on this after a few days. Pretty sure 'Tom Rogic' is 'There is a light'... Exact same posting styles. Check out the weird lack of full stops at the end of the posts. If they are the same then Magee has been arguing with himself AGAIN. How very odd. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Just reading up on this after a few days. Pretty sure 'Tom Rogic' is 'There is a light'... Exact same posting styles. Check out the weird lack of full stops at the end of the posts. If they are the same then Magee has been arguing with himself AGAIN. How very odd. Rogic and I couldn't be any different (aside from the lack of full stops). Im sure he is just as "thrilled" as me by the fact you think we're the same person! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Google Aberfan disaster Little coffins... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radford Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 An updated (to take the inquests into account) version of the ESPN 30 for 30 documentary was on BBC 2 last night and obviously the iPlayer now. Probably the stand out piece of film/television on the disaster, with a notable contribution from the indefatigable Phil Scraton. Anyone with a previously held opinion on Hillsborough should be urged to watch this. More generally, I've been involved in the debates on Hillsborough since the forum came into being and the sea change in opinion has been huge. It wasn't trolling a decade plus ago, it was a deep-seated believe that the fans were to blame. Anyone who tried to present an alternative view was simply a Scouse sympathiser. Thankfully the roles are very much reversed now and those who continue to peddle mistruths are seen for what they are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrshireTon Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Little coffins... Given the way those children died I'd have found it very difficult to pile soil into that grave.Been reading the reports of that disaster, very grim reading. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Prince Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Watched the first hour of this on the way in to work. Some of that footage is heartbreaking, bodies left all over the place like spaghetti. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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