climate change

[Thundermonkey]

That's funny because the 3 ex-miners I know all blame Thatcher 100%.

I can't help but feel that there not much we can do to stop our climate change. We are simply going the way of the dinosaurs. We can change our consumption but I don't think it will make much difference in the grand scheme of things.

Scientists say the sun will supernova or run out of energy in 5 or 6 billion years. The dinosaurs died off about 65 milion years ago. I reckon mankinds time will come and pass before our planet turns into a lump of ice. What will replace us I have no idea (if anything will replace us, maybe robots ). I can't get too upset at what my future family will do millions of years down the line.

That said, I'll still continue to recycle.

[JamboMikey]

The vast majority of miners I know blame Scargill for keeping the strike going for so long and not maintaining the pits that there was no work for the striking men to go back to when he eventually did admit he had made an arse of his men.

Unlucky.

[10 CC ICT]

You have only chosen to believe what you want to believe(or have been brainwashed into)

A big fan of Al Gore then?

Patronising bastard! (Monkford, not you Tryfield. Although you usually are. )

What the hell has conservation done? The World Wildlife Fund must have spent several billion pounds, it hasn't saved the panda, tiger, nothing, David Bellamy.

Edited November 26, 2011 by 10 CC ICT

[Reynard]

I'm quite sure most left wing clowns would love to think that. But unfortunately for them the vast majority of miners realise that Scargill kept the miners out for so long that the pits flooded, the equipment got ruined and the pits were beyond saving. He came out in order to try and save the industry.... He actually came out to try and overthrow a government he disagreed with. He was a fucking Marxist imbecile in charge of a relatively powerful union and he got his tactics all horribly wrong.

I worked with an ex miner in a mining area. While they are no fans of Thatcher, they certainly realise that Scargill played his part in their downfall. Many of them could see he had lost and that the pits they worked with were fucked long before King Arthur did.

Still, at least Scargill is living in his mansion in total comfort sipping champagne and trying to get his sweepie over to stay in place.

[dorlomin]

Don't shoot the messenger. Get yersel onto cryosphere today, watch the animated "ice melt" from 1978 - 2006. It just doesn't happen.

Weird eh. How you have left out everything from 2007 onwards.

Lets have a little look at the cryosphere today graph for nothern hemisphere sea ice anomaly.

Deary me. That is 'not melting' is it.

Lets now have a look at volume. (from the Univesity of Washington.)

[Reynard]

That's funny because the 3 ex-miners I know all blame Thatcher 100%.

I can't help but feel that there not much we can do to stop our climate change. We are simply going the way of the dinosaurs. We can change our consumption but I don't think it will make much difference in the grand scheme of things.

Scientists say the sun will supernova or run out of energy in 5 or 6 billion years. The dinosaurs died off about 65 milion years ago. I reckon mankinds time will come and pass before our planet turns into a lump of ice. What will replace us I have no idea (if anything will replace us, maybe robots ). I can't get too upset at what my future family will do millions of years down the line.

That said, I'll still continue to recycle.

The three I know blame Scargill 100%

[Reynard]

Weird eh. How you have left out everything from 2007 onwards.

Lets have a little look at the cryosphere today graph for nothern hemisphere sea ice anomaly.

Deary me. That is 'not melting' is it.

Lets now have a look at volume. (from the Univesity of Washington.)

You've been brainwashed into feeling good about paying more tax in the name of being green. And you've probably had it shoved down your throat in school as well. I know my son and daughter get similar drivel peddled as fact too.

[Gordon EF]

You've been brainwashed into feeling good about paying more tax in the name of being green. And you've probably had it shoved down your throat in school as well. I know my son and daughter get similar drivel peddled as fact too.

Ironically, that tin foil hat of yours will reflect more of the suns radiation back out to space, helping to counter-act global warming.

[dorlomin]

You've been brainwashed into feeling good about paying more tax in the name of being green. And you've probably had it shoved down your throat in school as well. I know my son and daughter get similar drivel peddled as fact too.

What a coherent and well referenced rebuttal.

[Hedgecutter]

Let's not give London, the Netherlands, Bangladesh, the Maldives etc hope that they won't be underwater in thousands, not millions of years. It's gonna happen so get a proper contingency plan written up rather than feeding everyone this bullshit and pretending petty humans are in control of everything.

[10 CC ICT]

Let's not give London, the Netherlands, Bangladesh, the Maldives etc hope that they won't be underwater in thousands, not millions of years. It's gonna happen so get a proper contingency plan written up rather than feeding everyone this bullshit and pretending petty humans are in control of everything.

If London will flood, it gets my vote.

[doulikefish]

Let's not give London, the Netherlands, Bangladesh, the Maldives etc hope that they won't be underwater in thousands, not millions of years. It's gonna happen so get a proper contingency plan written up rather than feeding everyone this bullshit and pretending petty humans are in control of everything.

Its ok watch my training video we will survive

[nessies long lost ghost]

The vast majority of miners I know blame Scargill for keeping the strike going for so long and not maintaining the pits that there was no work for the striking men to go back to when he eventually did admit he had made an arse of his men.

Unlucky.

My dad is a socialist. He thinks Thatcher would not have went as far as she did if Scargill wasn't being such a c**t.

[Reynard]

My dad is a socialist. He thinks Thatcher would not have went as far as she did if Scargill wasn't being such a c**t.

She encouraged miners that wanted to go abck to work to do so and try and get on with at least basic maintainence of the pits.

I think most of us that lived through the time will remember what happened to the poor sods that went back to work. We still have the remnants of it with imbeciles like Motownclic calling people scabs that want to get on with their work.

On the plus side. My mates dad ran a bus company and they became millionaires off the back of running about two miners (initially) to the Killoch and Barony pits.

[Reynard]

This is just part of the README.TXT file from the Climategate 2 email tranche. A searchable database is foia2011.org

<3111> Watson/UEA:

I’d agree probably 10 years away to go from weather forecasting to ~ annual scale. But the “big climate picture” includes ocean feedbacks on all time scales, carbon and other elemental cycles, etc. and it has to be several decades before that is sorted out I would think. So I would guess that it will not be models or theory, but observation that will provide the answer to the question of how the climate will change in many decades time.

<5131> Shukla/IGES:

["Future of the IPCC", 2008] It is inconceivable that policymakers will be willing to make million-and trillion-dollar decisions for adaptation to the projected regional climate change based on models that do not even describe and simulate the processes that are the building blocks of climate variability.

0850> Barnett:

[iPCC AR5 models] clearly, some tuning or very good luck involved. I doubt the modelling world will be able to get away with this much longer

<4443> Jones:

Basic problem is that all models are wrong – not got enough middle and low level clouds.

<2440> Jones:

I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the process

My reaction the Climategate2 has varied from fascinated interest to a kind of weary acceptance that we are stuck with the tenth-rate scientists who do these things and the only option we have is to keep telling it as it is.

Yet the question arises – why was climate science so easy to subvert? Because that’s what has happened – climate science has been subverted by senior UN bureaucrats. In a sense I know these people because I was a professional environmental scientist. I’ve seen people like this at first hand, well-meaning, well-qualified middle-class scientists without an ounce of talent.

I’ve sat with them in meetings, tried to persuade them to introduce efficiencies, to do what is worthwhile rather than what we’ve been doing for decades. After years of wasted effort, I know to the marrow of my bones that it’s a complete waste of time. You cannot get such people to venture a single millimetre beyond their comfort zone if they don’t have to. And climate scientists don’t have to, not with institutions like the BBC protecting them. And why wouldn’t the BBC protect climate scientists? Same species – same motives.

Intelligence doesn’t come into it. What matters is the consensus to which they cling like limpets. Consensus means their private club consensus – it always did. They aren’t evil people, but their status and comfortable situation has made them profoundly stupid, almost childlike, unable to distinguish right from wrong, rational from irrational, science from politics.

The Climategate 2 emails show that some climate scientists are well aware that what they are doing is wrong, that climate models don’t work and the public is being lied to over and over again about the degree of certainty behind the official UN narrative. Yet they clearly lack the courage to say so beyond the odd furtive comment. They should be resigning in droves, but won’t.

They are easily manipulated by modest status, by an office, a title, by the ease with which poor quality research is published and cited. They are entirely satisfied, not with good science, but with well-attended lectures, idealistic students, interviews, foreign travel, lunching on expenses and meetings with ministers and senior bureaucrats. They are easily manipulated by their peers into an incestuous circle of back-slapping approval.

They aren’t evil people – just stupid and childlike in their vicious reactions to those who dare point out their self-serving lies

I just thought this was a relatively interesting take against the "consensus" view. This chap is also a climate scientist, but he is obviously not on the "consensus" side of things.

[chuckles]

My dad is a socialist. He thinks Thatcher would not have went as far as she did if Scargill wasn't being such a c**t.

See "Auchinleck...the worst town in Scotland ?", posted in February on the Junior Forum.

[doulikefish]

She encouraged miners that wanted to go abck to work to do so and try and get on with at least basic maintainence of the pits.

I think most of us that lived through the time will remember what happened to the poor sods that went back to work. We still have the remnants of it with imbeciles like Motownclic calling people scabs that want to get on with their work.

On the plus side. My mates dad ran a bus company and they became millionaires off the back of running about two miners (initially) to the Killoch and Barony pits.

Bah they were all sitting round camp fires singing kum ba ya and not throwing boulders off bridges and killing each other

[Reynard]

Bah they were all sitting round camp fires singing kum ba ya and not throwing boulders off bridges and killing each other

It would have been Thatchers fault if they started the song in the wrong key.

[Tryfield]

The whole thing about Scargill v Thatcher was simple. Two head strong leaders clashing and prepared to see others suffer just to prove a point. Thatcher was happy with her lot and making a huge profit on her Dulwich house and Scargill didn't give a shit about miners, so long as he was in his £100,000 house and London flat.

What helped Thatcher to beat the miners was getting them, socialists and long-time union members, to buy their council houses. That is what broke the strike. Years ago you could get into massive rent arrears, mortgages don't work like that. Miners weren't prepared to see their families tossed out onto the streets and so the trickle back started then in stepped the UDM.

I do believe coal has been the fastest growing fuel consumed globally since 2000. 5 countries use 77% of the coal produced(6 billion tonnes last year), but with open cast mining, it's unlikely that it will be as huge an employer in Britain as it used to be.

[wunfellaff]

Bitch resigned 21 years ago tomorrow, how time flies.