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6 hours ago, Northfield 53 said:

Will Dapo be available for Saturday all the Rangers players involved are now back .

Where the party going to be this weekend?

 

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“Two seasons ago, the club had a squad able to make a promotion challenge with Stephen Dobbie, Lyndon Dykes, Josh Todd and so on, but the Manager at that time, Gary Naysmith, did not wish to extend his contract early in 2019, and a subsequent downturn in form saw the majority of the squad leave the club at the end of the season.”

It’s not like the board to pass the buck...

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3 hours ago, DavidWatt26 said:

“Two seasons ago, the club had a squad able to make a promotion challenge with Stephen Dobbie, Lyndon Dykes, Josh Todd and so on, but the Manager at that time, Gary Naysmith, did not wish to extend his contract early in 2019, and a subsequent downturn in form saw the majority of the squad leave the club at the end of the season.”

It’s not like the board to pass the buck...

The club said they were interested in extending contracts of younger players. Hope this is the case. They are gaining experience this year. 

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On 24/02/2021 at 17:31, Northfield 53 said:

Will Dapo be available for Saturday all the Rangers players involved are now back .

Yes

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Must admit I didn’t see Dapo back any time soon - think most supporters would have written him off for some time. Given our injury list his availability gives us some welcome options in the “pace” department. Joseph has done well in last two games and will be a contender to start.

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Dapo will be available until the spfl or sfa charge him for Covid breach same as rest of the Rangers players involved as was seen by Patterson scouting in europe last night, transfer window closes for Championship clubs this month wonder if Queens will bring anybody else in, I would doubt it as the bookings that have been got by defenders are zeroed after playing 17 games. 

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9 minutes ago, SUPERSOUTH said:

Dapo will be available until the spfl or sfa charge him for Covid breach same as rest of the Rangers players involved as was seen by Patterson scouting in europe last night, transfer window closes for Championship clubs this month wonder if Queens will bring anybody else in, I would doubt it as the bookings that have been got by defenders are zeroed after playing 17 games. 

The SPFL have no authority to charge any player with anything. They are a League, they aren't responsible for player discipline. Only the SFA are but you're right. Unless and until he's charged with something he's available. He's done his isolation the same as the others involved.

Bookings are not "zeroed" at all but the 1st suspension point disappears after 18 games (not 17). None of our players are particularly near it anyway. Wullie has 4 bookings, as does Aidan Fitzpatrick. They are the most and they'd need 12 for a suspension now.

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45 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:

The SPFL have no authority to charge any player with anything. They are a League, they aren't responsible for player discipline. Only the SFA are but you're right. Unless and until he's charged with something he's available. He's done his isolation the same as the others involved.

Bookings are not "zeroed" at all but the 1st suspension point disappears after 18 games (not 17). None of our players are particularly near it anyway. Wullie has 4 bookings, as does Aidan Fitzpatrick. They are the most and they'd need 12 for a suspension now.

Thanks had hoped you would clarify things. 👍

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I thought it was a done deal that our billiard-table-like pitch was getting replaced this summer but the AGM statement suggests it may be there next season too.  I don't think this particular pitch does anyone any favours, particularly us given that we failed to win on it for nearly a full calendar year, and I would rather see it ripped up asap.  The best thing about it for me has been the seethe it has provoked in the Robbie Neilsons and Danny Lennons of this world...

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Do the shareholders get a breakdown of exactly how much the club makes from renting out the pitch? I assume it generates a fair amount of money for them to stick with it.

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46 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:

Do the shareholders get a breakdown of exactly how much the club makes from renting out the pitch? I assume it generates a fair amount of money for them to stick with it.

I'm not sure why you would assume it generates a fair amount of money. Other than Heston Rovers as tenants, it's barely rented. Far bigger advantage in normal (non Covid) conditions is the relative certainty games are on and the fact that our reserves and youths can play / train on it with much reduced pitch hire costs elsewhere. It also provided us with a Covid secure training base for almost three months at the start of the season before Hamilton re-opened without the knock on effect of turning our pitch into a quagmire like Morton's is as a result.

What would be the alternative to "sticking with it" as a matter of interest?

 

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1 minute ago, Skyline Drifter said:

I'm not sure why you would assume it generates a fair amount of money. Other than Heston Rovers as tenants, it's barely rented. Far bigger advantage in normal (non Covid) conditions is the relative certainty games are on and the fact that our reserves and youths can play / train on it with much reduced pitch hire costs elsewhere. It also provided us with a Covid secure training base for almost three months at the start of the season before Hamilton re-opened without the knock on effect of turning our pitch into a quagmire like Morton's is as a result.

What would be the alternative to "sticking with it" as a matter of interest?

 

Surely you would want a good grass pitch like we had before  upgrade King George with a new 3 G pitch have Heston reserves and young boys train on it .

Okay we don't have as many games off with a 3 G pitch but is that a good enough reason to keep it give me any grass pitch rather than 3 G 

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I'm not sure why you would assume it generates a fair amount of money. Other than Heston Rovers as tenants, it's barely rented. Far bigger advantage in normal (non Covid) conditions is the relative certainty games are on and the fact that our reserves and youths can play / train on it with much reduced pitch hire costs elsewhere. It also provided us with a Covid secure training base for almost three months at the start of the season before Hamilton re-opened without the knock on effect of turning our pitch into a quagmire like Morton's is as a result.
What would be the alternative to "sticking with it" as a matter of interest?
 


If those are the only benefits then I'd much rather we went back to grass and had a decent surface tbh. 'Games being on certainty' really doesn't cut it for me given we rarely had games postponed when it was grass. If they have the King George facility now surely all the examples you give could be covered there?

The alternative would obviously be getting back to a good grass surface (probably one of the best in the country when we had it) and tearing up the awful one we have just now. That we don't generate decent income from it has genuinely shocked me tbh.

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21 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:


If those are the only benefits then I'd much rather we went back to grass and had a decent surface tbh. 'Games being on certainty' really doesn't cut it for me given we rarely had games postponed when it was grass. If they have the King George facility now surely all the examples you give could be covered there?

The alternative would obviously be getting back to a good grass surface (probably one of the best in the country when we had it) and tearing up the awful one we have just now. That we don't generate decent income from it has genuinely shocked me tbh.

It would cost far more to put it back to grass than simply renew the playing carpet. Probably twice as much or more. I wouldn't put it back in a month of sundays honestly. I'm unsure where this "one of the best pitches in the country" myth comes from either. Maybe before the turn of the century. It was distinctly ropy for years before we switched away from the grass and regularly criticised. I doubt many clubs make an awful lot of external income out of 3G pitches. Clubs like Stenny certainly did when they first got it but there were half a dozen of them in Scotland back then. There's about half a dozen in Dumfries alone now. Anyway, there isn't an awful lot of opportunity for 3rd party hire when a professional football club with a South of Scotland League tenant are occupying it. By the time three age groups of youths, girls teams and midweek fixtures for both clubs are dealt with. The Arena , indoors, is a far better facility for external hires. Away from semi pro / organised league football, most guys like me want to play indoors, 7 a side or less, out of any serious bad weather and with a wall to bounce errant shots off, not have to climb up 20 rows of a stand to pick up a ball somebody fired 40 feet over the bar!

The existing 3G is showing its age now. It went down in 2014 and is reaching end of life. I expect we'll get another year out of it, maybe two at a push, but I'd replace it with a new carpet for sure.

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10 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:

It would cost far more to put it back to grass than simply renew the playing carpet. Probably twice as much or more. I wouldn't put it back in a month of sundays honestly. I'm unsure where this "one of the best pitches in the country" myth comes from either. Maybe before the turn of the century. It was distinctly ropy for years before we switched away from the grass and regularly criticised. I doubt many clubs make an awful lot of external income out of 3G pitches. Clubs like Stenny certainly did when they first got it but there were half a dozen of them in Scotland back then. There's about half a dozen in Dumfries alone now. Anyway, there isn't an awful lot of opportunity for 3rd party hire when a professional football club with a South of Scotland League tenant are occupying it. By the time three age groups of youths, girls teams and midweek fixtures for both clubs are dealt with.

The existing 3G is showing its age now. It went down in 2014 and is reaching end of life. I expect we'll get another year out of it, maybe two at a push, but I'd replace it with a new carpet for sure.

That would be a one-off cost, though. The plastic has to be replaced every few years. It has looked like it has needed replaced for ages and the only reason it hasn’t been would appear to be the cost. Whatever, if it costs twice as much, that only has to happen once.
Maybe when it was first put in, it was economic because there weren’t alternatives for hire. Once this one is completely done, I would replace it with grass. I appreciate a grass pitch has ongoing maintenance costs but so does plastic. And, of course, we would need new covers after getting rid of the previous ones.
When the decision was made to go to plastic, it was probably the right one. That doesn’t mean we have to stick with it forever just because it gets some games on and getting shot of it would have a one-off cost. And if it was replaced with grass, an opportunity could be taken then to improve the drainage etc. and make the grass pitch as good as it was previously.

 

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I would certainly like to see Palmerston returned to a good grass surface but I can appreciate the problems this would bring. I've nothing against good quality artificial surfaces either and that to me is the problem.  I don't think Palmerston has ever been a good quality artificial surface ever since it was originally laid, and it has already been relaid with what still looked like an inferior product.  I've no idea how it plays,  no doubt someone will come up with statistics to show it meets certain criteria,  but it just looks wrong (cheap)  if nothing else.  The surfaces at Falkirk,  Forfar,  Raith Rovers,  even Annan,  to name but a few,  all look better and seem to play better than ours. If Palmerston is to be relaid,  and kept artificial,  I hope they go for a top of the range product,  the Club seem to have been taken for mugs with what they've bought up to now. As has already been said by others,  why not let Heston Rovers,  our youth teams,  girls teams,  etc,  use KGV, the Club owns it so no great cost implications there,   and leave Palmerston for first team and possibly reserve games only, it'll extend the life of the next carpet that's laid. 

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And here comes the real curve ball. Will bore everyone to tears!! We are out of the EU albeit, but the ECHA (European Chemicals Agency) has recommended the EU ban the use of the rubber infill used in artificial sports surfaces because of the 50000 tonnes of microplastic leachate released every year as well as the claims that there are still some poly aromatic hydrocarbons in some tyres which has been suggested to be a carcinogen. Michael Cain moment, not a lot of people know this, bit the rubber used is just ground down waste truck tyres! Yep, your Michelin or Continental that was used to deliver to your local supermarket ends up on football fields. If this happens and the UK follows, the alternatives have not been tested at any length. Decision should be this year. If it does happen EVERY club will be getting the grass seed out! 

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It would cost far more to put it back to grass than simply renew the playing carpet. Probably twice as much or more. I wouldn't put it back in a month of sundays honestly. I'm unsure where this "one of the best pitches in the country" myth comes from either. Maybe before the turn of the century. It was distinctly ropy for years before we switched away from the grass and regularly criticised. I doubt many clubs make an awful lot of external income out of 3G pitches. Clubs like Stenny certainly did when they first got it but there were half a dozen of them in Scotland back then. There's about half a dozen in Dumfries alone now. Anyway, there isn't an awful lot of opportunity for 3rd party hire when a professional football club with a South of Scotland League tenant are occupying it. By the time three age groups of youths, girls teams and midweek fixtures for both clubs are dealt with. The Arena , indoors, is a far better facility for external hires. Away from semi pro / organised league football, most guys like me want to play indoors, 7 a side or less, out of any serious bad weather and with a wall to bounce errant shots off, not have to climb up 20 rows of a stand to pick up a ball somebody fired 40 feet over the bar!
The existing 3G is showing its age now. It went down in 2014 and is reaching end of life. I expect we'll get another year out of it, maybe two at a push, but I'd replace it with a new carpet for sure.


I honestly can't recall our pitch coming in for criticism before it was plastic. It had some issues around the goalmouth in the winter months like most pitches but in general I thought out groundsman did a great job and keeping it looking and playing well. It's been (rightly) criticised since going to plastic. It does look awful as well but I don't care too much about that as long as it plays well which is certainly doesn't. I've said before but when the ball gets stuck in Dobbie's feet regularly that says it all.

Obviously if it costs less to relay the pitch with plastic just now then that's the sensible option given the state of the world. But I hope we'll see a return to grass in the future if the pitch isn't actually generating us a decent income.

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