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1 hour ago, Monkey Tennis said:

I wonder if the opposition to fan representation on the board - a club position that actually had plenty of support on here - will continue.

Oh it certainly will !!!! Expect the usual let’s move on statements from the usual forelock tuggers. Police Scotland and Iain Livingstone reach a new low in my eyes, Policing by public consent - not in this instance you lickspittles!

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I believe our SLO committee are the COVID officers and oversee who enters the ground.  They have a list, if your names not down you're not getting in etc. and they take temperatures and whatever else the current situation requires.
One of the SLOs, who I have absolutely no reason to doubt, posted yesterday that there was no mention of Galloway (or his family for that matter, although I don't think their attendance was known at that point) on "the list".
If the above is true, and like I say I fully believe it is, then whoever invited Galloway as their guest knew that what they were doing was wrong, but cracked on anyway.
Incidentally I am feeling pretty heartbroken for the SLO Committee right now.  I know all of them and from a supporters perspective you couldn't ask for better men for the job.  Well liked, well known, highly approachable and hugely passionate about the club.  What is expected of them is an absolutely thankless task.  Expecting them to drum up extra support for a club that doesn't give a flying f**k about their supporters.  They have put a power of work into the past few years (not sure how long the SLO requirement has been in force but from day 1 of that anyway), and for what? Countless hours and days worth of work dissipated.
Whilst I would consider myself a fairly "big" Queens fan (certainly a longstanding one as this is my 26th season following them), I am by no means a diehard.  As I had all but given up on the club of late I have been able to take a certain macabre enjoyment out of the last day or so's proceedings.  It is such a laughable situation I'd find it impossible not to.  Also there is a certain satisfaction in seeing some dislikeable characters get their comeuppance (granted that is yet to happen).
Obviously there is a very serious side to this as well, in addition to the public health implications.  The club means so much to a lot of people, and is a major part of their lives.  To be betrayed in such a fashion all for the sake of boosting the finances and ego of a very selfish group of individuals is absolutely galling.
There simply has to be change after this episode.


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4 minutes ago, palmy_cammy said:

I don't think fan representation on the board is workable given the current board seem so opposed to it and as you say it wasn't a hugely popular idea aside from the people pursuing it.

Just to point out that the board don't get to decide who is added to the board, it's a shareholder decision. The reason it's been blocked in the past is because 2 or 3 families holding most of the shares have opposed it. The same families have also provided a lot of directors in the past so easy to get confused. But I think it means a large enough groundswell of opinion, and/or adverse financial impacts on the business, could potentially make things happen regardless of the board's opinion.

Don't disagree with you that a fans rep will be difficult to achieve, though, and also that generally business people have the skills needed to run a club. A good model I think is Chairman, various directors with specific qualifications and responsibilities (Financial Director, Operations Director, etc), and then 1 or 2 fans reps with board voting rights. Perhaps basing some operations in the central belt to attract a wider pool of candidates.

Right now it looks like we've just got three local businessmen doing as they think best, with no specific qualifications, responsibilities or even plans. Whether that's accurate or just due to a lack of transparency, I don't know.

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1 minute ago, Ivo den Bieman said:

Police Scotland say “No Further Action” re : QoS.

Hard one for GG to take, no day in court

This was never going to go to court.  How many breaches do you see reported in the paper each week?

The pub along the road from me received a warning for serving someone inside, when it should have been take away service only in May/June.

The police usually give a warning to all those involved and that’s it.  The FM probably got one last week. For some reason folk have taken the hump about that, when I alluded to it last night. Strange, but never mind.

No, the SPFL will be the ones dishing out the punishment and rightly so.

That said, the damage that has been done to the club’s reputation, particularly at a local level, could be more costly than the fine.
 

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Could it be that Queens got the dates of the tier 4 restrictions wrong? Maybe thought it was at midnight at the end of Boxing Day?
They knew what they were doing but on a side note, the local radio station announced on two separate occasions the other day that restrictions came into place on Boxing Day at midnight.
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3 minutes ago, qos_75 said:

This was never going to go to court.  How many breaches do you see reported in the paper each week?

The pub along the road from me received a warning for serving someone inside, when it should have been take away service only in May/June.

The police usually give a warning to all those involved and that’s it.  The FM probably got one last week. For some reason folk have taken the hump about that, when I alluded to it last night. Strange, but never mind.

No, the SPFL will be the ones dishing out the punishment and rightly so.

That said, the damage that has been done to the club’s reputation, particularly at a local level, could be more costly than the fine.
 

Yes, the police were never going to take proper action here, but the very fact that they've offered the standard reminder, confirms that rules were breached and there's little in mitigation.

It's now up to the football authorities to decide what happens. We've no option but to take our medicine.

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37 minutes ago, Alert Mongoose said:

Could it be that Queens got the dates of the tier 4 restrictions wrong? Maybe thought it was at midnight at the end of Boxing Day?

I think it’s highly unlikely that those in positions of power didn’t know the rules. As far as I can see, someone at the club weighed up the covid restrictions and PR implications, and decided ‘f**k it, just let them in, it’ll be fine’.

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29 minutes ago, palmy_cammy said:

I don't think fan representation on the board is workable given the current board seem so opposed to it and as you say it wasn't a hugely popular idea aside from the people pursuing it.

I'm not overly convinced by a total fan ownership model either, but it would be churlish to rule it out.

My view remains that "business-people" are best suited to running a football club, particularly one like ours with such a precarious financial position.  However, we are obviously seeing what happens when the sole focus is business at the expense of everything else.

It's a tricky one for sure, I certainly don't have the answers.

I don't have the answers either, but the arguments against were pretty unconvincing.

A major one seemed to centre on "what's the point of having a fan rep on board? What might they add?"  I think an answer has maybe just been provided.

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5 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

I don't have the answers either, but the arguments against were pretty unconvincing.

A major one seemed to centre on "what's the point of having a fan rep on board? What might they add?"  I think an answer has maybe just been provided.

I'm not sure a fan on the board would have made the slightest jot of a difference to this situation.  Someone has been pretty hellbent on allowing something incredibly daft to happen I'm not sure anyone could have stopped that.

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Just now, palmy_cammy said:

I'm not sure a fan on the board would have made the slightest jot of a difference to this situation.  Someone has been pretty hellbent on allowing something incredibly daft to happen I'm not sure anyone could have stopped that.

Even resigning in disgust would have some value.

 

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1 minute ago, palmy_cammy said:

I'm not sure a fan on the board would have made the slightest jot of a difference to this situation.  Someone has been pretty hellbent on allowing something incredibly daft to happen I'm not sure anyone could have stopped that.

Not if you have the casting vote.

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Let’s hope there hasn’t been anymore businessmen or potential sponsors managed to get in and watch our beloved Queens, because I have a horrible feeling this might be the tip of the iceberg. Saying that if you look on the queens mad site it’s as if nothing happened.... Wonder where Jardie and  co are hiding during this disaster

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In a little more than 24 hours ineptitude and failings on the field will be back in focus. The disgrace and disgust generated by this episode will not dim. I am so enraged by the egocentric disregard and disconnect, would quit my mercenary business life and head home to start a new club called Queen of the South Wanderers. 

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