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1 minute ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Did Mac Pherson face bigger budgetary constraints than we've had just recently? He certainly faced much bigger ones than a few of his predecessors in the role, but my guess would have been that Naismith and Johnston would be similarly strapped for cash.  I know yours isn't a guess though.

Well all things are relative obviously. I'm clearly not going to give out actual numbers but you can safely say MacPherson had significantly less than any other manager did in outright cash terms. Johnston the following season probably wasn't miles better but was operating in a part time league and had the fortune to have a good group of young players come through at that time. Since the advent of the SPFL the prize money paid in the Championship is at least twice what it was back in MacPherson's days. We've also had a number of big cup ties, shared divisions with Rangers, Hearts & Hibs, significantly improved our off field income, etc. That said, the money for playing in this division is fairly irrelevant as all our opponents get that too.

Put it this way, I think it's a certainty that MacPherson had the lowest budget in the division in his season, even with a part time Ayr United in the division. We were in a horrible way financially at the end of 2010/11. That's why people were out rattling buckets with Save Our South on them. I don't think any manager since will have had the lowest budget in his division. Possibly the lowest full time budget in some cases but even then, not by miles, relatively close to one or two others.

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Perhaps with the severe financial constraints Queens are enduring at the moment; would it benefit the club if Stephen Dobbie were to retire?

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Perhaps with the severe financial constraints Queens are enduring at the moment; would it benefit the club if Stephen Dobbie were to retire?
Seeing Dobbie play for one last time might be the only thing that makes next season bearable. So it's a no from me.

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Perhaps with the severe financial constraints Queens are enduring at the moment; would it benefit the club if Stephen Dobbie were to retire?

No.

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Definitely a no from me!

Perhaps with the severe financial constraints Queens are enduring at the moment; would it benefit the club if Stephen Dobbie were to retire?

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On 10/06/2020 at 16:59, SUPERSOUTH said:

Hopefully the manager starts to make a move very soon to get a core of his squad sorted. 

Now more than every due to the tough financial times the club has to go with young players wanting to learn there trade alongside an experienced player in each area of the park we already have Holt (defence) Dobbie (attack) & I think W Gibson Res Manager could double up & play in midfield for one more season great vision and passer. The club has to start by signing the young players from last season Semple, Pybus Gourlay & Irving to start with and add more young players who maybe don't have as many financial/family commitments that may sign for Queens on lower wages. 

I think the fans would rather see a young team on the field regardless of league position if it means the club is stable financially & building a squad for the next couple of seasons than going down the route of journeymen turning up to play & collect ther money each week. 

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16 minutes ago, SUPERSOUTH said:

I think the fans would rather see a young team full of energy on the field regardless of league position if it means the club is stable financially & building a squad for the next couple of seasons than going down the route of journeymen turning up to play & collect ther money each week. 

Nobody wants to see the club struggle financially but the idea that fans would be happy with a dross team just because they are young and run about a lot is nonsense.

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2 minutes ago, Dougie Mills said:

Nobody wants to see the team struggle financially but the idea that fans would be happy with a dross team just because they are young and run about a lot is nonsense.

Yeah this. I give it 5 mins of the first game fielding half a team of local youngsters before the crowd are calling for the Manager's head and demanding the Board spend money they don't have on players way out of our price range.

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9 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:

Yeah this. I give it 5 mins of the first game fielding half a team of local youngsters before the crowd are calling for the Manager's head and demanding the Board spend money they don't have on players way out of our price range.

Never once in my comment did I say young local players..... 

The last couple of seasons the club has only just avoided relegation and the managers have been strongly criticised. I just think by trying to build a team for the future we wouldn't be in any worse a position than we have been the last couple of seasons and the manager could be given some slack by the fans. I very much doubt Queens are going to be able to compete with other clubs wage offers to good experienced Players. 

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Now more than every due to the tough financial times the club has to go with young players wanting to learn there trade alongside an experienced player in each area of the park we already have Holt (defence) Dobbie (attack) & I think W Gibson Res Manager could double up & play in midfield for one more season great vision and passer. The club has to start by signing the young players from last season Semple, Pybus Gourlay & Irving to start with and add more young players who maybe don't have as many financial/family commitments that may sign for Queens on lower wages. 
I think the fans would rather see a young team on the field regardless of league position if it means the club is stable financially & building a squad for the next couple of seasons than going down the route of journeymen turning up to play & collect ther money each week. 
I'd take Lyon ahead of Pybus personally. Pybus really did flatter to deceive when I think about it. He had energy but he was rarely involved in anything. Perhaps he did a lot of tracking. But as for playing a decent pass or breaking up attacks, other than a couple of games I felt he wasn't really that good.

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Pybus over Lyon every day of the week for me.  Id be looking to keep Semple, Pybus, Murray, Mercer, Kilday and the youngsters. Kidd and Paton could be kept as useful and cheap squad fillers. I felt people were abit harsh on them at times last season. 

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49 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:
1 hour ago, SUPERSOUTH said:
Now more than every due to the tough financial times the club has to go with young players wanting to learn there trade alongside an experienced player in each area of the park we already have Holt (defence) Dobbie (attack) & I think W Gibson Res Manager could double up & play in midfield for one more season great vision and passer. The club has to start by signing the young players from last season Semple, Pybus Gourlay & Irving to start with and add more young players who maybe don't have as many financial/family commitments that may sign for Queens on lower wages. 
I think the fans would rather see a young team on the field regardless of league position if it means the club is stable financially & building a squad for the next couple of seasons than going down the route of journeymen turning up to play & collect ther money each week. 

I'd take Lyon ahead of Pybus personally. Pybus really did flatter to deceive when I think about it. He had energy but he was rarely involved in anything. Perhaps he did a lot of tracking. But as for playing a decent pass or breaking up attacks, other than a couple of games I felt he wasn't really that good.

Think Pybus done well in his 1st season in the Championship & would come back a more experienced player for this season & is still only 22. Lyon proved himself a good versatile player also and wouldn't be against him returning. 

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Pybus over Lyon every day of the week for me.  Id be looking to keep Semple, Pybus, Murray, Mercer, Kilday and the youngsters. Kidd and Paton could be kept as useful and cheap squad fillers. I felt people were abit harsh on them at times last season. 
The same back line as last season and 4 of the midfielders? The midfield was the worst it's been in years and the defence shipped goals. I'm hoping there is a massive clear out rather than retaining the majority of them.
Think Pybus done well in his 1st season in the Championship & would come back a more experienced player for this season & is still only 22. Lyon proved himself a good versatile player also and wouldn't be against him returning. 
Lyon being versatile probably hindered him a fair bit IMO. He never really got a good run in the middle of the park. When he did get the ball he at least looked like he had some clue what to do. I felt Pybus panicked a lot when he got the ball.

Don't get me wrong, I won't be devastated if Lyon doesn't return. I don't think he was some sort of under-rated midfield dynamo. But if I had to pick between him and Pybus it'd be him.

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Pybus over lyon for me every day the 1st player I'd try to get back would b mercer last season he was superb and was just behind mcrorie for player of the year for me.
mercer pybus semple and osman would like to see back also murry however a move might actually benifit him tbh.
If we are running on this budget surely Goss is worth a punt got good pedigree and knows where the back of the net is.

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22 minutes ago, gogs said:

Pybus over lyon for me every day the 1st player I'd try to get back would b mercer last season he was superb and was just behind mcrorie for player of the year for me.
mercer pybus semple and osman would like to see back also murry however a move might actually benifit him tbh.
If we are running on this budget surely Goss is worth a punt got good pedigree and knows where the back of the net is.

Who is Goss ?

 

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9 minutes ago, Northfield 53 said:

Who is Goss ?

 

Tommy Goss, Signed for Queens last year before being loaned back to Abbey Vale!! Boy is young and certainly didn't look out of place when playing a few reserve games this year. Totally worth a shot next year, lad is 6ft 6 but is surprisingly good with the ball at his feet.

Only worry i have for these younger lads is will Queens have a reserve team next year??

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Tommy Goss, Signed for Queens last year before being loaned back to Abbey Vale!! Boy is young and certainly didn't look out of place when playing a few reserve games this year. Totally worth a shot next year, lad is 6ft 6 but is surprisingly good with the ball at his feet.
Only worry i have for these younger lads is will Queens have a reserve team next year with all the likely cuts that will be coming.
In my opinion he is certainly worth a shot did well in the reserve games he played in at might work well with dobbie Lad deserves a chance.

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In my opinion he is certainly worth a shot did well in the reserve games he played in at might work well with dobbie Lad deserves a chance.
He deserves a chance if he's good enough. The reserve league isn't exactly great quality. I hope we look else where first but I suppose there isn't any harm in giving the guy a run of games in "pre-season" first to see if he can cut it.

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The management team and Dobbie could afford a 20% pay cut. It would potentially free up funds for another player.

I reckon Skyline Drifter was harsh on Kenny Brannnigan.

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