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18 minutes ago, TeeMan said:

Not yet a week since the end of the season and we're already trawling such obscurities as "when did Graeme Muir score his first goal?". It could be a long, hard close-season for SD's spreadsheets!

(I'm loving the trivia)

I am conscious I havent posted the update of all time scorers yet either. Havent been on my home pc since it was asked. Will do so soon.

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15 hours ago, Skyline Drifter said:

Biggest impact of what? If you mean of someone who has come through the Academy programme from younger than 16 then possibly, though Jack Leighfield has far more first team game time than Ross has.  They have departed since but Aidan Smith, Scott Hooper and Dean Brotherston might all argue they made more impact on the first team than Ross has so far.

If we're including those who joined us as professionals already but spent a period in the 20's then I'd probably argue Connor Murray has made a bigger impact and without a shadow of a doubt Lyndon Dykes has made a much bigger impact than any of them.

Which isn't to detract from the point that Ross Fergusson has every chance of being a big player for us if he wants to be.

Yeah biggest impact wasn't the correct phrase.  What I meant is of all the above you mention he has looked the most comfortable stepping into the first team.  I'm excluding Dykes as he went away and played a season or two in Australia before re-joining us so didn't transition straight from our U20s.

Very often these young boys look very much like young boys when they are thrown into first team action, and look well out of their depth.  That or the game just completely passes them by.  But I thought Fergusson hit the ground running and looked very clued up about the role he was playing.  Granted not everything he tried came off, but I can let him away with that as you at least got the impression he knew what he was trying to do.  The only real criticism was that he visibly tired, generally after an hour or so.  That is easily rectified though, and also indicated the shift he was putting in prior to that.  I'm a big fan as you can probably tell.

Scott Hooper was a curious one.  He never really put a foot wrong in the games I saw him in, and I thought could easily become a solid but unspectacular full-back of Scott Mercer's ilk.  He was a disaster a centre-half but I've seen far worse full-backs over the years.  He was on the books under a few managers though and none really trusted him to start many games so I suppose you have to take something from that.

Leighfield definitely has a chance, although after becoming an unexpected starter this season it will be interesting to see what effect going back to being a bench-warmer will have on his development.  Obviously he is still very young in goalkeeping terms.

I'm yet to be overly impressed by Connor Murray but Gary Naysmith clearly sees something in him.  I don't think his strongest position is out wide but he's never getting near the position behind the strikers while Dobbie is on the books.  In an ideal world we'd probably loan him out but he'll be needed to make up the numbers in the squad I'd imagine.  I've still not seen his supposed wonder goal against Dundee United, but ending the season with that won't have done his confidence any harm.

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12 hours ago, 19QOS19 said:

 


Has it been discussed about getting in touch with Stagecoach? I notice in Carlisle the buses have the next 3 United fixtures plastered on the side of the buses. I'm skeptical that anything will increase crowd numbers but it would maybe be worth considering.

 

FFS don’t tell MT about this.

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I look forward to seeing buses advertising our upcoming ties with Clydebank, Meadowbank Thistle and Third Lanark.

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15 hours ago, Steeplechat said:

 

 


You’ve done a great job raising funds for the club and helping promote it throughout the years but not sure where your future lies. Meeting are attending by only a handful of people so I’m told and you actually must wonder if it’s worth the bother.
Time for a major rethink guys

 

 

Thanks Steeplechat. I don't think numbers at meetings is a problem it's the same with many groups and with a membership of 160-210 over the last 2 years support for the Trust has been good. 

But yes some thoughts needed as to what next for the Trust. All ideas and suggestions welcome.

 

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On 04/05/2018 at 11:50, TeeMan said:

Andy Thomson? I've not got any exact dates (quick wiki) but could be 89 and 07.

 

On 04/05/2018 at 13:17, Skyline Drifter said:

Last goal for us v Livingston on 28th October 2006

I would need to check at home when his first goal was but although he joined in 1989 I don't think he was generally a first team regular until Frank McGarvey threw him in the following year 1990-91. Doesn't mean he didn't score the year before though. Likelihood is there's at least 16 years between his first and last though.

Andy Thomson's first goal for us was as a sub v East Stirling on 30th September 1989. Which means there were 17 years and 28 days between his 1st and last goal for us.

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On 30/04/2018 at 08:50, TeeMan said:

@Skyline Drifter any chance of an updated top scorers list? ;):)

As at 1st May 2018:

1 - Jim Patterson, 251 goals in 462 appearances, 1949 - 1963
2 - Bobby Black, 120 goals in 346 appearances, 1952 - 1961
3 - Derek Lyle, 117 goals in 269 starts (96 sub) appearancs, 2002 - 2004, 2004 - 2006 & 2012 - 2018
4 - Andy Thomson, 114 goal in 196 starts (35 sub) appearances, 1989 - 1994 & 2006 - 2007
5 - Stephen Dobbie, 108 goals in 171 starts (17 sub) appearances, 2007 - 2009, 2016 - Current
6 - Jocky Dempster, 98 goals in 342 starts (13 sub) appearances, 1970 - 1979
7 - Tommy Bryce, 95 goals in 283 starts (14 sub) appearances, 1985 - 1987, 1994 - 1998 & 1999
8 - Stevie Mallan, 94 goals in 233 starts (32 sub) appearances, 1993 - 2000
9 - Tommy McCall, 93 goals in 264 appearances, 1925 - 1934
10 - Ian Reid, 89 goals in 192 starts (5 sub) appearances, 1973 - 1978
11 - Jimmy Robertson, 89 goals in 378 starts (22 sub) appearances, 1979 - 1987 & 1989 - 1993
12 - Jackie Oakes, 81 goals in 457 appearances, 1936 - 1947 & 1951 - 1960
13 - Iain McChesney, 79 goals in 587 starts (28 sub) appearances, 1961 - 1982
14 - Rowan Alexander, 78 goals in 165 starts (18 sub) appearances, 1978 - 1983 & 1995 - 1998
15 - Billy Houliston, 74 goals in 155 apearances, 1945 - 1952
16 - Jackie Law, 71 goals in 226 appearances, 1936 - 1948
17 - John O'Neill, 70 goals in 143 starts (52 sub) appearances, 2001 - 2003 & 2005 - 2008
18 - Lex Law, 68 goals in 316 starts (18 sub) appearances, 1964 - 1975
19 - Jimmy Rutherford, 66 goals in 65 appearances, 1930 - 1934
20 - Willie Dougan, 65 goals in 88 appearances, 1922 - 1925

 

So Derek Lyle, barring some sort of Lazarus like return, finishes up with 117 goals and 3rd in the all time list (a podium position he'll likely hold for only a year). Disappointing that having made 117 before the end of November he failed to add a goal in his last six months. Injury kept him out for a couple of months of course. He made only 3 starts and 9 sub appearances in that time.

Stephen Dobbie is 5th with 108 goals coming into next season. Given he's managed 53 goals in a little under 2 seasons since returning, then he'll surely manage the 12 he'd need to become 2nd top all time scorer in the next year.

We should treasure the next year of him firing them in because, unless he does another season beyond that, I suspect it will be a long time before anyone else gets anywhere near that top 20. Players staying with clubs long enough to do it these days is less and less likely. The next highest scorer behind Dobbie in the current squad as it stands right now will be Lyndon Dykes on 12. It's fairly remarkable that we have three modern day players in the top five who most of us have seen scoring for Queens.

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As at 1st May 2018:
1 - Jim Patterson, 251 goals in 462 appearances, 1949 - 1963
2 - Bobby Black, 120 goals in 346 appearances, 1952 - 1961
3 - Derek Lyle, 117 goals in 269 starts (96 sub) appearancs, 2002 - 2004, 2004 - 2006 & 2012 - 2018
4 - Andy Thomson, 114 goal in 196 starts (35 sub) appearances, 1989 - 1994 & 2006 - 2007
5 - Stephen Dobbie, 108 goals in 171 starts (17 sub) appearances, 2007 - 2009, 2016 - Current
6 - Jocky Dempster, 98 goals in 342 starts (13 sub) appearances, 1970 - 1979
7 - Tommy Bryce, 95 goals in 283 starts (14 sub) appearances, 1985 - 1987, 1994 - 1998 & 1999
8 - Stevie Mallan, 94 goals in 233 starts (32 sub) appearances, 1993 - 2000
9 - Tommy McCall, 93 goals in 264 appearances, 1925 - 1934
10 - Ian Reid, 89 goals in 192 starts (5 sub) appearances, 1973 - 1978
11 - Jimmy Robertson, 89 goals in 378 starts (22 sub) appearances, 1979 - 1987 & 1989 - 1993
12 - Jackie Oakes, 81 goals in 457 appearances, 1936 - 1947 & 1951 - 1960
13 - Iain McChesney, 79 goals in 587 starts (28 sub) appearances, 1961 - 1982
14 - Rowan Alexander, 78 goals in 165 starts (18 sub) appearances, 1978 - 1983 & 1995 - 1998
15 - Billy Houliston, 74 goals in 155 apearances, 1945 - 1952
16 - Jackie Law, 71 goals in 226 appearances, 1936 - 1948
17 - John O'Neill, 70 goals in 143 starts (52 sub) appearances, 2001 - 2003 & 2005 - 2008
18 - Lex Law, 68 goals in 316 starts (18 sub) appearances, 1964 - 1975
19 - Jimmy Rutherford, 66 goals in 65 appearances, 1930 - 1934
20 - Willie Dougan, 65 goals in 88 appearances, 1922 - 1925
 
So Derek Lyle, barring some sort of Lazarus like return, finishes up with 117 goals and 3rd in the all time list (a podium position he'll likely hold for only a year). Disappointing that having made 117 before the end of November he failed to add a goal in his last six months. Injury kept him out for a couple of months of course. He made only 3 starts and 9 sub appearances in that time.
Stephen Dobbie is 5th with 108 goals coming into next season. Given he's managed 53 goals in a little under 2 seasons since returning, then he'll surely manage the 12 he'd need to become 2nd top all time scorer in the next year.
We should treasure the next year of him firing them in because, unless he does another season beyond that, I suspect it will be a long time before anyone else gets anywhere near that top 20. Players staying with clubs long enough to do it these days is less and less likely. The next highest scorer behind Dobbie in the current squad as it stands right now will be Lyndon Dykes on 12. It's fairly remarkable that we have three modern day players in the top five who most of us have seen scoring for Queens.

Feeling old..I’ve seen 14 of them!

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Feeling old..I’ve seen 14 of them!


Just the 7 for me, ya auld duffer.

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Youngest goalscorer?  Believe it or not, Lex Law must be in or around there,  scored his first for Queens 26th August 1964 on his debut against East Fife. Signed from school so he must have been 17? How young was Maurice Elliott when he got his first?

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3 hours ago, 19QOS19 said:

 


Just the 7 for me, ya auld duffer.

 

Definitely nine that I can actually recall watching.

Probably eleven in total though.

Edited by Monkey Tennis

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15 hours ago, Skyline Drifter said:

So Derek Lyle, barring some sort of Lazarus like return, finishes up with 117 goals and 3rd in the all time list (a podium position he'll likely hold for only a year). Disappointing that having made 117 before the end of November he failed to add a goal in his last six months. Injury kept him out for a couple of months of course. He made only 3 starts and 9 sub appearances in that time

Hugely disappointing .

Your wording suggests that is all down to the player himself but if I have got that wrong then surely you would have to agree that it  was down to extremely poor judgement by our Manager in not selecting him when fit and available and playing him up front with Dobbie  -  hugely intelligent, talented partnership.

 

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Hugely disappointing .
Your wording suggests that is all down to the player himself but if I have got that wrong then surely you would have to agree that it  was down to extremely poor judgement by our Manager in not selecting him when fit and available and playing him up front with Dobbie  -  hugely intelligent, talented partnership.
 

Don’t think so, he’s done. Managers only regret may be giving him a contract for the past season. Great in his day and will be fondly remembered but last season was a season too far!

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I'm not convinced that either of the two opposing views on Lyle immediately above, can be held or supported with total confidence.

I don't think we really saw enough of him to feel sure that he had either lots to contribute, or didn't.

It probably comes down to how you regard Naysmith.

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15 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said:
I'm not convinced that either of the two opposing views on Lyle immediately above, can be held or supported with total confidence.

I don't think we really saw enough of him to feel sure that he had either lots to contribute, or didn't.

It probably comes down to how you regard Naysmith.

I was of the opinion that Lyle would probably be no more than an impact sub at the start of the season but I can see some merit in this argument. I do think that it would have been a struggle to go through the season with a front two both in their mid-thirties and Lyle probably suffered the most from Dobbie’s presence.

 

Dobbie and Dykes seem to have formed a good partnership and will be vital next year. I’ve got a sneaking feeling that we might see Dykes take over from Dobbie as the main man at some point next season ( :blink: I know, but I’ve been out in the sun all day!) and I doubt he’ll be at Palmerston the season after.

Edited by TeeMan

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