FrankReynolds Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, virginton said: 'Contributing to over 40 goals' in terms of actual goals and actual assists or just a made up statistic to pretend that you had a top-class strike partnership going on while battling against the mighty Montrose just to stay in this rancid division? It's definitely the latter. I've got no idea why you're celebrating a 'record transfer fee' as an accomplishment for your club considering it was based entirely on what he did at Livingston. It's certainly a big windfall to gain right now but claiming it as some sort of final act of generosity from your club legend player is cringeworthy to say the least. Considering one of those strikers scored 43 actual goals that season, it's hardly a made up stat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, FrankReynolds said: Considering one of those strikers scored 43 actual goals that season, it's hardly a made up stat. It is when you're actually claiming that Dykes was responsible for over 40 of them as well without the goals/assist totals to back it up. Transfermarkt has the more realistic combined figure of, erm, 11 for the Championship that season, which comes a lot closer to explaining why your team was still utter dung. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALOREBURNE Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, virginton said: It is when you're actually claiming that Dykes was responsible for over 40 of them as well without the goals/assist totals to back it up. Transfermarkt has the more realistic combined figure of, erm, 11 for the Championship that season, which comes a lot closer to explaining why your team was still utter dung. Can’t believe you’re on here shouting the odds when you have dung like Robbie Muirhead up front. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Tibbs Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 It's self-evident that Dykes is the better player but Big Sean gave the Queens support far more joy and will always be a QoS legend. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Well done indeed to the board on the Dykes deal but surprised Livi did not just sign him on a pre contract in Jan . Would they not then got Dykes for free in the summer .Or someone else could have got him. Other clubs were interested and by signing him Livi made sure he was their player. Plenty of pre contracts over the years haven’t come to fruition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 I've got no idea why you're celebrating a 'record transfer fee' as an accomplishment . [emoji38] You've no idea why we're celebrating a 6 figure income from a player we developed? I never called him a legend. Try again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 39 minutes ago, ALOREBURNE said: Can’t believe you’re on here shouting the odds when you have dung like Robbie Muirhead up front. We've had stacks of dung forwards of late yet have still rocked up, sworded your rabble and finished several places above you and your legendary duo just about every single year. Gutted for you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERSOUTH Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Northfield 53 said: Well done indeed to the board on the Dykes deal but surprised Livi did not just sign him on a pre contract in Jan . Would they not then got Dykes for free in the summer . Livingston wanted to make sure they had Dykes for the following season Pre-contract deals can be broken by both parties, This was the best option for all parties involved. Queens definitely got a good deal out of it.. Would be great if we could sign a couple of young players with potential and the same could happen to them,clubs like Hamilton have benifited from this for years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALOREBURNE Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 27 minutes ago, virginton said: We've had stacks of dung forwards of late yet have still rocked up, sworded your rabble and finished several places above you and your legendary duo just about every single year. Gutted for you. You’ve now added Gary Oliver to the mix Happy for you 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northfield 53 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 1 hour ago, SUPERSOUTH said: Livingston wanted to make sure they had Dykes for the following season Pre-contract deals can be broken by both parties, This was the best option for all parties involved. Queens definitely got a good deal out of it.. Would be great if we could sign a couple of young players with potential and the same could happen to them,clubs like Hamilton have benifited from this for years. Why sign a pre contract if it can be broken by both parties surely it means something anyaway great how the Dykes deal worked out . Looks like we have agreed 6 new signing still miles behind other teams in the Championship Raith have a full squad ready to get going other clubs not far behind them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Nesovic's Barmy Army Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Livingston wanted to make sure they had Dykes for the following season Pre-contract deals can be broken by both parties, This was the best option for all parties involved. Queens definitely got a good deal out of it.. Would be great if we could sign a couple of young players with potential and the same could happen to them,clubs like Hamilton have benifited from this for years. How can a pre contract be broken? If a club wanted to retain a player who has signed a pre contract to leave they can, is that what you are saying? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankReynolds Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, Alex Nesovic's Barmy Army said: 2 hours ago, SUPERSOUTH said: Livingston wanted to make sure they had Dykes for the following season Pre-contract deals can be broken by both parties, This was the best option for all parties involved. Queens definitely got a good deal out of it.. Would be great if we could sign a couple of young players with potential and the same could happen to them,clubs like Hamilton have benifited from this for years. How can a pre contract be broken? If a club wanted to retain a player who has signed a pre contract to leave they can, is that what you are saying? Yes. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23083594 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALOREBURNE Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Northfield 53 said: Looks like we have agreed 6 new signing still miles behind other teams in the Championship Raith have a full squad ready to get going other clubs not far behind them. What’s the rush? Football doesn’t start until October. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Nesovic's Barmy Army Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Yes. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23083594Well that's not what article shows. It shows the club the player is joining cancelling it jot the club the player was leaving - which I asked about. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard doonhamer Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Livingston have been burned with pre-contracts in the past. Calum Elliott signed one with them when he was leaving Alloa in 2013 then decided he'd rather go to Raith. Livi could do absolutely nothing to stop it and enforce the pre-contract. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankReynolds Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 45 minutes ago, Alex Nesovic's Barmy Army said: 1 hour ago, FrankReynolds said: Yes. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23083594 Well that's not what article shows. It shows the club the player is joining cancelling it jot the club the player was leaving - which I asked about. You seemed shocked that a contract agreement can be broken. So I sent you a link to the first one that came to my head. No need to be a d*ck about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeMan Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) Just a query but would we have been due some sort of development fee for Dykes even if he had left when his contract finished at the end of the season? Edited August 21, 2020 by TeeMan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Nesovic's Barmy Army Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 You seemed shocked that a contract agreement can be broken. So I sent you a link to the first one that came to my head. No need to be a d*ck about it. A fair point, apols for tone. Happy Friday! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 1 hour ago, TeeMan said: Just a query but would we have been due some sort of development fee for Dykes even if he had left when his contract finished at the end of the season? No. He was over 23. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG.Roma Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, virginton said: It is when you're actually claiming that Dykes was responsible for over 40 of them as well without the goals/assist totals to back it up. Transfermarkt has the more realistic combined figure of, erm, 11 for the Championship that season, which comes a lot closer to explaining why your team was still utter dung. It depends what your definition of an assist is. Transfermarkt and other sites can be very strict on what is officially an assist. Say for example Dykes had a shot that was blocked, or parried, or hit the post, and Dobbie put away the loose ball. Officially Dykes doesn't get credited with an assist, but any sane football fan can see he significantly contributed to the goal. Same goes for someone who was brought down for a penalty. If he doesn't take it and it's scored, he gets no official credit, but he definitely contributed to the goal. How about a full back skinning three men on his way to the box, he cuts it back and the first striker scuffs his shot, the second striker scores. The first striker gets the assist but the full back gets nothing, even though he made the chance. In other words, don't always trust the official stats, the folk here who saw Dykes playing most weeks know how much he contributed to Dobbie's goal tally. The folks at Transfermarkt and the like don't always have the full picture. Edited August 21, 2020 by DG.Roma 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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