WhiteRoseKillie Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 You've not thought that through have you Worryingly, I think he may have done... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chupacabra Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 (edited) I think one thing that is overlooked is Jack Gleeson's tremendous performance. I was never really convinced by Sean Bean as Eddard and when I read the books I don't really imagine Ned as being like him. But Joffrey is spot-on, fantastic casting and a performance that won't be quickly forgotten. I think it's testament to his acting ability that everyone hated him for being a convincing evil protagonist and not as an irrelevant plot device. His character was criminally underused in the books so credit to the writers for developing him more. It's further evident to being a good performance that when I read 'Joffrey' in the books it's his face that immediately pops up and not something pictured in my imagination. Bit of an arse-kissing post but I think his character is/was one of the highlights of the show. Shame he's retiring from acting. Edited April 16, 2014 by Chupacabra 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Charles Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I still think it was Olenna. She and the Tyrell's will slyly get someone to get Margaery up the duff, and claim it's Joffrey's baby. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoss Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I don't think they put enough information in the episode to be able to work it out yet. The folks saying the clues were there are the ones who evidently knew in advance what to look for. You could just as easily find clues pointing to other people if you'd been looking for those instead. As for the GRRM discussion - if people don't want to read the books because of their content that's absolutely fine, I understand that (even if I'm a little bit baffled by such squeamishness given the content of the TV show); but to think it makes GRRM a perv or a creep or in any way says anything much about him in that regard is missing the point big time. Lolita also has scenes of child rape, but Nabokov wasn't a child-abuser and the book is one of the great works of literature. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofarl Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Agree about Jack Gleeson. It's a real shame he's retiring from acting. I've never loathed a character as much as Joffery. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connorc_hmfc14 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I still think it was Olenna. She and the Tyrell's will slyly get someone to get Margaery up the duff, and claim it's Joffrey's baby. I'd like to offer my services for this opportunity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 . With the current king dying without a son, Tomnem would be the next in line Is that how it works? Surely he's too young and therefore someone like, oh I don't know, The Hand Of The King, would have to rule until he's old enough. What's that? Tywin Lannister is Hand Of The King and therefore could get to rule?! What an utter coincidence! It's one theory. I mind when Robert Baratheon was on his death bed and named Ned ruler until Joffrey was old enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-r-cfc Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Is that how it works? Surely he's too young and therefore someone like, oh I don't know, The Hand Of The King, would have to rule until he's old enough. What's that? Tywin Lannister is Hand Of The King and therefore could get to rule?! What an utter coincidence! It's one theory. I mind when Robert Baratheon was on his death bed and named Ned ruler until Joffrey was old enough. Guess it'd be something like has happened in Scottish history with Mary Queen of shots and James iv. Crowned when they were children but obviously they didn't actually rule at this point. Someone ruled in their name 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoss Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 English and, especially, Scottish history are littered with Regents ruling in the names of juvenile kings, yeah. Very contentious, sometimes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Guess it'd be something like has happened in Scottish history with Mary Queen of shots and James iv. Crowned when they were children but obviously they didn't actually rule at this point. Someone ruled in their name She ruled the rest of Scotland as well..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-r-cfc Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 She ruled the rest of Scotland as well..... Different Mary. Shotts was once an independent Kingdom..........maybe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Different Mary. Shotts was once an independent Kingdom..........maybe Good attempt 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Yeah, a regent's appointed until the king or queen's old enough to rule. Certainly potentially points to Tywin but I still think it was Olenna. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 (edited) Watched it again and I'm now convinced it was Olenna Tyrell. A few moments in the episode have swayed it for me. Edited April 16, 2014 by MONKMAN 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Since this is a War of the Roses fanfic the most famous Regent is Richard III who was next in line then asserted that the young King Edward V was a b*****d and claimed the throne for himself. Here is a list of characters from GoT and their counterparts in the War of the Roses Robert = Edward IV Stannis = Richard III Renly = George Plantagenet Cersei = Elizabeth Woodville Joffrey = Edward V, usurped and killed with his brother in the tower of London Tommen = Richard of Shrewsbury Myrcella = Elizabeth of York, maried Henry VII Aerys II, the Mad King = Henry VI Rhaegar = Edward of Westminster Of course the fiction begins if the young King Joffrey (Edward V) can see off his uncle Stannis (Richard III) after the sudden death of his father. GRRM kind of re-adds the Princes in the Tower bit to Lancaster side with Rhaegar's children being killed. -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Since this is a War of the Roses fanfic They had dragons in the War of The Roses?! Who's side were the White Walkers on? And where was the massive 900 foot wall of ice? Also what were the Watch doing during the war? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-r-cfc Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 They had dragons in the War of The Roses?! Who's side were the White Walkers on? And where was the massive 900 foot wall of ice? Also what were the Watch doing during the war?The watch are neutral during the conflicts of the realm.....duh! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 The watch are neutral during the conflicts of the realm.....duh! Ah yes. How silly of me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-r-cfc Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Tbh have only watched it once and have read the books but think if I hadn't I'd be hard pressed to work it out without at least another watch Literally everyone at that table arguably had reason to off him 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 They had dragons in the War of The Roses?! Who's side were the White Walkers on? And where was the massive 900 foot wall of ice? Also what were the Watch doing during the war? Of course not spoilers 5 books in and The Dragons and White Walkers haven't really done anything yet, at least nothing relevant in Westeros, and no surprise since I'm not sure GRRM likes the high fantasy element of his plot, he is into the political element From an interview Where do you get your inspiration? GRRM: I love historical fiction; but there is a problem. I know a fair bit of history so I know how the historical fiction is going to end! A story on the War of the Roses can only end one way! I like not knowing. The suspense, the tension. I wanted something with the scope of historical fiction without the restrictions of knowing the end. http://www.sfsite.com/01a/gm95.htm It is a decent idea. The Blackadder is still a good show despite also being War of the Roses fan fiction. There is nothing wrong with co-opting real history into fictional stories and it is no surprise that the political intrigue around King's Landing has been the best part of the show. I like the story set up that has been designed within A Game of Thrones but I won't read the books because they contain some reprehensible content. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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