vikingTON Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Jimmy1876 said: 25 tickets sold at £5k = £125k. £400k - £125k = £275k left to fill. Don't need an accounting degree for that. 7 minutes ago, JulioBairn said: If you can’t work out how an immediate cash injection of £125k might help then it’s probably best you don’t worry about it . Cheers for trying tho. Except that you then have nine subsequent years without any season ticket income from those 25 gullible morons. So the actual change to the hole in your finances is precisely zero - all you have done is adjusted cashflow, while at the same time adding some unsecured creditors (hence 'gullible morons') through 2033. There's a reason why other Scottish football clubs are not lowering themselves to this Angelo Massone-esque exercise in book-cooking. Edited November 30, 2022 by vikingTON 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC. Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 You’d think with all that McGlynn-ball, passing football, you’d have Falkirk fans in their 100s chomping at the bit to sign up for these 10-season ticket books. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy1876 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, virginton said: Except that you then have nine subsequent years without any season ticket income from those 25 gullible morons. So the actual change to the hole in your finances is precisely zero - all you have done is adjusted cashflow, while at the same time adding some unsecured creditors (hence 'gullible morons') through 2033. There's a reason why other Scottish football clubs are not lowering themselves to this Angelo Massone-esque exercise in book-cooking. I mean if you can't see the benefit of £125k cash injection in a financial emergency for the cost of losing a meagre £7500 per year in a multimillion £ budget then I would maybe leave the finances to other people. You have also said they have adjusted cashflow as if that is some kind of insult and not the literal goal of the initiative??? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, virginton said: Except that you then have nine subsequent years without any season ticket income from those 25 gullible morons. So the actual change to the hole in your finances is precisely zero - all you have done is adjusted cashflow, while at the same time adding some unsecured creditors (hence 'gullible morons') through 2033. There's a reason why other Scottish football clubs are not lowering themselves to this Angelo Massone-esque exercise in book-cooking. Wow. 9 years with 25 less season ticket holders. Compared to an immediate potential injection of over 100k. What a disaster. 25 less season ticket holders would be an issue if we sold a few hundred season tickets a year. We sell thousands mate. Thanks for playing, swing and a miss, etc etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Jimmy1876 said: I mean if you can't see the benefit of £125k cash injection in a financial emergency for the cost of losing a meagre £7500 per year in a multimillion £ budget then I would maybe leave the finances to other people. You have also said they have adjusted cashflow as if that is some kind of insult and not the literal goal of the initiative??? And this financial emergency will automatically be solved... when exactly? When pesky seaside league outfits stop having the temerity to defend against you or you stop shipping 3 goals to Clyde? Doesn't seem like the sure thing to bet ten years' of future revenue on, but then I'm not a gullible moron and so don't support Falkirk FC. Oh and if you think that a scheme that will generate £125k now will only cost £7,500 per year in lost revenue over ten years, then you should go back and sit National 5 Maths. Then you can perhaps move on to the basic accounting principles that you also completely failed to understand. 11 minutes ago, Rugster said: Wow. 9 years with 25 less season ticket holders. Compared to an immediate potential injection of over 100k. What a disaster. 25 less season ticket holders would be an issue if we sold a few hundred season tickets a year. We sell thousands mate. Thanks for playing, swing and a miss, etc etc. So many thousands of season tickets sold and yet here you are, facing a "financial emergency" and trying to flog utterly tragic IOUs to your own gormless fans to keep the lights on. Swing and a miss indeed. Edited November 30, 2022 by vikingTON 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, virginton said: And this financial emergency will automatically be solved... when exactly? When pesky seaside league outfits stop having the temerity to defend against you or you stop shipping 3 goals to Clyde? Doesn't seem like the sure thing to bet ten years' of future revenue on, but then I'm not a gullible moron and so don't support Falkirk FC. Oh and if you think that a scheme that will generate £125k now will only cost £7,500 per year in lost revenue over ten years, then you should go back and sit National 5 Maths. Then you can perhaps move on to the basic accounting principles that you also completely failed to understand. So many thousands of season tickets sold, and yet here you are, facing a "financial emergency" and trying to flog utterly tragic IOUs to your own gormless fans to keep the lights on. Swing and a miss indeed. Aye, ok piano teeth. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Perrin Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 hour ago, PedroMoutinho said: The one disadvantage I do see is that you’ll potentially be losing near enough £10k a season in future revenue unless whoever buys these tickets chooses to buy a season as normal on top. Not hugely material though in the grand scheme of things. The need for immediate cash is paramount. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairn in Exile Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 hour ago, virginton said: How does flogging a ten year season ticket fill any of that hole in the finances? Have your mob been using Barcelona's accountants? As we enter the season of Goodwill to All Men, to you, VirgonTon, I would just like to say . . . . . f**k OFF. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 19 minutes ago, Rugster said: Aye, ok piano teeth. ^^^ verge of tears 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhys McCabe Hype Train Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 47 minutes ago, virginton said: And this financial emergency will automatically be solved... when exactly? When pesky seaside league outfits stop having the temerity to defend against you or you stop shipping 3 goals to Clyde? Doesn't seem like the sure thing to bet ten years' of future revenue on, but then I'm not a gullible moron and so don't support Falkirk FC. Oh and if you think that a scheme that will generate £125k now will only cost £7,500 per year in lost revenue over ten years, then you should go back and sit National 5 Maths. Then you can perhaps move on to the basic accounting principles that you also completely failed to understand. So many thousands of season tickets sold and yet here you are, facing a "financial emergency" and trying to flog utterly tragic IOUs to your own gormless fans to keep the lights on. Swing and a miss indeed. Read about a quarter of this but it’s a green dot for getting the many thousands of Falkirk fans seething. Well done you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van_damage Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, virginton said: Except that you then have nine subsequent years without any season ticket income from those 25 gullible morons. So the actual change to the hole in your finances is precisely zero - all you have done is adjusted cashflow, while at the same time adding some unsecured creditors (hence 'gullible morons') through 2033. There's a reason why other Scottish football clubs are not lowering themselves to this Angelo Massone-esque exercise in book-cooking. It’s another way of taking out a loan which clubs do all the time. Unfortunately we don’t have many who can lend the club £400k so the club have to get creative with how they can plug the gap. It is a short term fix no doubt but like any loan it’s required to secure the future of the club. What would your solution be instead to help the club plug the £400k hole? Edited to add: Oh wait you’re a Morton fan! Edited December 1, 2022 by Van_damage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairn in Exile Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Van_damage said: It’s another way of taking out a loan which clubs do all the time. Unfortunately we don’t have many who can lend the club £400k so the club have to get creative with how they can plug the gap. It is a short term fix no doubt but like any loan it’s required to secure the future of the club. What would your solution be instead to help the club plug the £400k hole? Edited to add: F*CK OFF FTFY 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarcastic Bairn Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 12 hours ago, JulioBairn said: Holy shit this is tough going. Folk losing their shit over us getting a very winnable cup draw followed by them losing their shit over the club launching an initiative to try and fill a well document £400k hole in the finances. It feels like we are merging with the Facebook group. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 This is another example of folk being so desperate to flog the club (our fans and others) that they wade in and subsequently find themselves trying to defend a position that they cannot.There is no way this is a bad thing. It is a wild reach to start whinging about subsequent season ticket money. People calculating the losses haven't taken into account that these might not even be getting bought by season ticket holders, or by folk who pay early bird KM7 prices. It's clearly a good initiative in terms of getting cash in. It's clearly working as folk are apparently signing up. Anyone continuing to try and use this initiative to slate the club is quite simply making an arse of themselves. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believe The Hype Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 It's great way to get a cash boost quick. Anyone seeing this as anything other than positive are at it. Frillies being pished yet again and trolls showing themselves up to be thick as shite, yet again. Nothing to see here, as you were. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van_damage Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Bairn in Exile said: FTFY Thanks for that! There seems to be a lot of fans of other clubs with quite strong opinions about how to run our club. Like the St.Mirren fan who was saying how we should have run the KM Stand opening when his club still hasn’t put any signs up to honour Tony Fitzpatrick. Also a bit of a cheek to hear from a Morton fan about how to run a business properly when his club is ran by the Easedales! Not sure how any Falkirk fan can have a go at a venture which will bring in much needed capital to keep things ticking over though. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 14 minutes ago, Van_damage said: Thanks for that! There seems to be a lot of fans of other clubs with quite strong opinions about how to run our club. Like the St.Mirren fan who was saying how we should have run the KM Stand opening when his club still hasn’t put any signs up to honour Tony Fitzpatrick. Also a bit of a cheek to hear from a Morton fan about how to run a business properly when his club is ran by the Easedales! Not sure how any Falkirk fan can have a go at a venture which will bring in much needed capital to keep things ticking over though. I don't venture into other club threads very often. Are other league 1 club threads similarly visited by random fans of other teams in the way this one is? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, scottsdad said: I don't venture into other club threads very often. Are other league 1 club threads similarly visited by random fans of other teams in the way this one is? Every single club thread in the league has opposition fans posting within the last page or two. It’s a multi-club forum, that’s kinda how it works, quite why you guys get so bugged by it I don’t know. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, parsforlife said: Every single club thread in the league has opposition fans posting within the last page or two. It’s a multi-club forum, that’s kinda how it works, quite why you guys get so bugged by it I don’t know. Other fans are welcome, but when they come blundering in with lame trolling and half baked theories they rightly get a pasting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Toun Clock Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 On 29/11/2022 at 12:00, Back Post Misses said: Alloa style suits us. Rice’s teams come out and play not like some. Still stings I see 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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