The Falkirk FC Thread

[Rob1885]

How does it feel that you dumped fan ownership to become a Germans play thing? 

I know that's meant as a dig but it does actually stick in my craw a bit. Yet to be convinced by anything they've done and I'm still very skeptical about it all.

[embow]

52 minutes ago, superandy_07 said:

Made it, Harmsworth Park looks no bad like

Let this Fifer welcome you to Caithness, my adopted home for over 45 years and counting. I live about 12 miles south of Wick and happened to be in Lidl (other side of the road) yesterday and was speaking to a couple of committee members selling Christmas raffle tickets. They are hoping for a day of wind and rain to even things up a bit. Guess what the forecast for tomorrow is?

Good little piece on The Academy just finished on BBC Scotland.

The Bairns should have enough about them to get through if they harness the slope and the elements wisely.

Edited November 25, 2022 by embow

[Fifes Elite Force]

5 minutes ago, Back Post Misses said:

How does it feel that you dumped fan ownership to become a Germans play thing? 

Voiced my concerns at the time. Just have to see how it plays out. One thing was for sure. Fan ownership in the model we had didnt seem to work for various reasons.

Edited November 25, 2022 by Fifes Elite Force

[Back Post Misses]

47 minutes ago, Rob1885 said:

48 minutes ago, Back Post Misses said:

How does it feel that you dumped fan ownership to become a Germans play thing? 

I know that's meant as a dig but it does actually stick in my craw a bit. Yet to be convinced by anything they've done and I'm still very skeptical about it all.

Really don’t know anything about why your FO was dumped or these Germans. Really not interested. Surprised TBH that so many Fifers seem to be interested in us and our challenges. 

[Fifes Elite Force]

18 minutes ago, Back Post Misses said:

Really don’t know anything about why your FO was dumped or these Germans. Really not interested. Surprised TBH that so many Fifers seem to be interested in us and our challenges. 

You are surprised football fans are interested in talking about football matters?

[RC_Bairn]

22 hours ago, PedroMoutinho said:

Personally one of the biggest things I took away from that podcast was how damaging the loss of Kieran Koszary (our previous commercial director) was in terms of loss of income.

Some of his ideas weren’t the most popular but to me almost anything is worth it to make more resources available for the first team. 

It was absolutely scandalous in my view for the previous board to give such an important role to a fan favourite with no sales experience at all.

 McGivern was a replacement for Totten not Koszary. 

Edited November 25, 2022 by RC_Bairn

[Jimmy1876]

1 hour ago, Fifes Elite Force said:

I dont think anyone is being lied to as far as I can tell, but you never know. I dont see anything wrong with asking the club/board questions either. I suppose since the issues we went through I am a bit suspicious of board members in general

 

 

To be fair I think people are asking questions? I think the board has been consistently pretty clear about all of the above. They had a meet the board session over the summer where these finances were laid out in PowerPoints. They have statements discussing the financial issues and a podcast which was only just a month ago. They have now written an additional statement which updates even more on the podcast. So I think the questions are all pretty much being answered and they have been clear about the situation for months now and are showing progress at every step. 

Unless, as you say they are outright lying I wouldn't say there is cause for concern in terms of information not being available. 

My main concerns are mainly in performance staying good so that we do remain on track for that 600k revenue increase (which they said we are to exceed in the most recent supporters update) and that the 400k is covered. But from what Latapy Bairn has said these various initiatives are on track to cover that 400k... So currently all my concerns/worries are being addressed with more clarity still to come via AGM so I don't feel the need to go breaking doors down demanding more answers just yet. 

[Fifes Elite Force]

14 minutes ago, Jimmy1876 said:

To be fair I think people are asking questions? I think the board has been consistently pretty clear about all of the above. They had a meet the board session over the summer where these finances were laid out in PowerPoints. They have statements discussing the financial issues and a podcast which was only just a month ago. They have now written an additional statement which updates even more on the podcast. So I think the questions are all pretty much being answered and they have been clear about the situation for months now and are showing progress at every step. 

Unless, as you say they are outright lying I wouldn't say there is cause for concern in terms of information not being available. 

My main concerns are mainly in performance staying good so that we do remain on track for that 600k revenue increase (which they said we are to exceed in the most recent supporters update) and that the 400k is covered. But from what Latapy Bairn has said these various initiatives are on track to cover that 400k... So currently all my concerns/worries are being addressed with more clarity still to come via AGM so I don't feel the need to go breaking doors down demanding more answers just yet. 

Fair enough. Tbh the guys from the board did come across as genuine when they spoke on the podcast so I dont think outright  lying is really going on. 

[Springfield]

Best wishes to all the fans travelling to the beyond, expecting a different but difficult game. 

[parsforlife]

17 minutes ago, Jimmy1876 said:

 

Unless, as you say they are outright lying I wouldn't say there is cause for concern in terms of information not being available. 

 

I think that's where some of our cynicism maybe comes in.  We were lied too and you are in a situation where we wish we had pushed harder and found out the truth earlier.  I don't have any reason to say your board are being dishonest but I'd encourage every single fan of any club to ask as many questions as you can. 

[Jimmy1876]

19 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

I think that's where some of our cynicism maybe comes in.  We were lied too and you are in a situation where we wish we had pushed harder and found out the truth earlier.  I don't have any reason to say your board are being dishonest but I'd encourage every single fan of any club to ask as many questions as you can. 

I understand that actually, but as I mentioned, I think the board have been questioned and have been quite clear the situation is bad but they have x y and z plan they hope will solve the various issues. If they were outright lying surely they would just say everything is fine and nothing to worry about? That's why I am inclined to trust what has been said thus far anyway, I hope I'm not proven wrong. 

[Bairn in Exile]

1 hour ago, Fifes Elite Force said:

You are surprised football fans are interested in talking about football matters?

I think you mean non-football matters.

Edited November 25, 2022 by Bairn in Exile

[Back Post Misses]

1 hour ago, Fifes Elite Force said:

You are surprised football fans are interested in talking about football matters?

I have no interest in how other clubs are structured and why they do this that or the other. 

[Fifes Elite Force]

13 minutes ago, Back Post Misses said:

I have no interest in how other clubs are structured and why they do this that or the other. 

Each to their own

[roman_bairn]

I think that's where some of our cynicism maybe comes in.  We were lied too and you are in a situation where we wish we had pushed harder and found out the truth earlier.  I don't have any reason to say your board are being dishonest but I'd encourage every single fan of any club to ask as many questions as you can. 

Absolutely spot on imo.
There’s a few ITK on here with friends on the board or major shareholders who appear to think it’s wrong of anyone to ask questions.
The recent statement was overall a positive development but it was laced with very little of substance, so why some take offence when anyone dares ask questions is a mystery to me…..a bit like the details of our apparent positive financial situation I suppose….

[Wind Chime Jimmy]

10 hours ago, Shodwall cat said:

Jesus wept have you genuinely got feck all to do but concern yourself with our financial situation?  

He's trying to enlighten your breeze-blocked hieded supporters. Most of you are 1 stand short of a fully developed stadium. 

[Back Post Misses]

9 minutes ago, roman_bairn said:

Absolutely spot on imo.
There’s a few ITK on here with friends on the board or major shareholders who appear to think it’s wrong of anyone to ask questions.
The recent statement was overall a positive development but it was laced with very little of substance, so why some take offence when anyone dares ask questions is a mystery to me…..a bit like the details of our apparent positive financial situation I suppose….

Where has anyone said it is wrong to ask questions? Show the evidence. 

[roman_bairn]

Where has anyone said it is wrong to ask questions? Show the evidence. 

I don’t feel the need tbh.
However, we could start with the criticism of the poster above who’s asking fairly reasonable questions but getting shot down for no other reason than being a fifer.
Jeez the guy took enough interest to listen to that 90 min podcast from a few weeks back and I don’t see any ‘evidence’ that he’s on the wind up, which appears to be being used by some as a shield of deflection…..

[RC55 FFC]

 

[Wind Chime Jimmy]

8 hours ago, roman_bairn said:

I don’t feel the need tbh.
However, we could start with the criticism of the poster above who’s asking fairly reasonable questions but getting shot down for no other reason than being a fifer.
Jeez the guy took enough interest to listen to that 90 min podcast from a few weeks back and I don’t see any ‘evidence’ that he’s on the wind up, which appears to be being used by some as a shield of deflection…..

Disparage to deflect, a very effective tool that only works short term in any circumstance. 

Fifes Elite I suspect sees parallels with our club early doors when we then  descended into a whole myriad of issues and problems.