FFC 1876 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 My predicted line up for tonight. PJ Yeats Mckay Mackie Mccann Morrison Mcginn Hetherington Mcguff Nesbitt Oliver 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kircer bairn Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 Anyone know why Ryan Williamson was absent on Saturday 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brockvillenomore Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 1 hour ago, FalkirkBairn2021 said: That is correct... I wasn't in the country. If there's a handy breakdown would be nice to see it I didn’t take notes and don’t want to take a guess with the numbers. Maybe somebody on here did? Or ask the BoD at the board email address? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartA Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 14 minutes ago, Brockvillenomore said: I didn’t take notes and don’t want to take a guess with the numbers. Maybe somebody on here did? Or ask the BoD at the board email address? It was a projected approx £400k operating loss, after an improved commercial performance delivering a similar uplift, IIRC. That’s before any wishful thinking, like cup runs, transfers, add-ons etc. On current numbers, FSS will provide up to £70k of that. Long way to go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Myles Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 50 minutes ago, FalkirkBairn2021 said: Not sure that's going to work though if we are going to have any kind of serviceable squad. It's a noble idea but I don't think we generate enough income. Unless we want to be part time of course. I think under our current ownership there realistically has to be income from the FSS to balance the books. You can't rely on a definitive amount from it though to balance the books. The fss money is to buy shares that will hopefully end up giving them more than 51 percent of the club. You rely on it and it falls how do you balance the books then if you've already based your budgets on an amount that you don't get? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Myles Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 34 minutes ago, Kircer bairn said: Anyone know why Ryan Williamson was absent on Saturday Probably injured again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatapyBairn. Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 18 minutes ago, Jackie Myles said: You can't rely on a definitive amount from it though to balance the books. The fss money is to buy shares that will hopefully end up giving them more than 51 percent of the club. You rely on it and it falls how do you balance the books then if you've already based your budgets on an amount that you don't get? Think that target is 26% with the patrons group taking another 26% giving the club majority fan ownership. The Rawlins , SA and MR make up the bulk of the remaining shareholding I presume 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blame Me Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 49 minutes ago, FalkirkBairn2021 said: Not sure that's going to work though if we are going to have any kind of serviceable squad. It's a noble idea but I don't think we generate enough income. Unless we want to be part time of course. I think under our current ownership there realistically has to be income from the FSS to balance the books. Forgive me but it does seem like there is confusion as to the purpose of the FSS. The contributions are to have more say in how the club is run and gain more involvement in the decision making - and future direction of the club - by buying shares. It's not to sustain the clubs cashflow as supporters are already doing that with season tickets, match tickets and retail alongside the wider sponsorship deals the club has. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFC 1876 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 Interesting team that, ex bairn Cammy Williamson in there too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalkirkBairn2021 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Blame Me said: Forgive me but it does seem like there is confusion as to the purpose of the FSS. The contributions are to have more say in how the club is run and gain more involvement in the decision making - and future direction of the club - by buying shares. It's not to sustain the clubs cashflow as supporters are already doing that with season tickets, match tickets and retail alongside the wider sponsorship deals the club has. Ah, thanks. Maybe me that's misunderstanding (possibly on the other clubs models too) I had maybe wrongly assumed the monthly subs were part of the annual budgeting. Are we expecting to break even this season? Edited July 12, 2022 by FalkirkBairn2021 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 I thought Brad Mackay was OK when he was at the Pars tbh. Quite surprised he stunk the place out at your place but with a competent manager I can see him being decent this season. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van_damage Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 (edited) With regards to fan ownership is there any reason the club isn’t actively offering shares deals to fans? I know a few had the chance to buy some over a year ago but it didn’t appear to be widely advertised. Think the FSS is a great concept and hope more sign up but fan ownership can also be as simple as getting more fans to buy shares. If we got 500 fans to buy £500 worth then that’s an extra £250,000 of investment to the club and another 625,000 shares held by fans. Likewise if you got 1,000 fans to buy £250 worth. The patrons done a brilliant job of creating a group of 20 odd people that created over £200,000 of new money and are represented by 2 positions on the board. Not many can afford a £10,000 buy in, however I’m sure many would pay similar in a different structure. We’re missing the third leg of the stool now with the Rawlins absent so is there room for another structure or would that cause too much chaos? Edited July 12, 2022 by Van_damage 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFC 1876 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, Salvo Montalbano said: I thought Brad Mackay was OK when he was at the Pars tbh. Quite surprised he stunk the place out at your place but with a competent manager I can see him being decent this season. He's only playing just now because of necessity, as soon as Donaldson is back he'll be warming the bench. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 Might be alone in this but I think this will be the starting 11 tonight.PJYeats McKay Mackie McCannHetherington McGinnMcGuffie Nesbitt MorrisonOliver 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aufc Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 Forgive me but it does seem like there is confusion as to the purpose of the FSS. The contributions are to have more say in how the club is run and gain more involvement in the decision making - and future direction of the club - by buying shares. It's not to sustain the clubs cashflow as supporters are already doing that with season tickets, match tickets and retail alongside the wider sponsorship deals the club has. The issue with this is there will be hundreds (thousands for a club like you) who are investing in a very small percentage of shares (I’m assuming it’s done via a lottery or something?). So if these people are expecting a say in the business then you end up with far too people involved. Additional issue is that the majority of them have an emotional tie to the club so hard to step back sometimes and see the bigger picture. From my experience, these things are a very beneficial way of raising additional funds for the club whilst allowing the participants a chance to win an amount each month (and get some nice share certificates as a keepsake). It is not to allow the participants to get a say in how to run the club. As a shareholder, they also get invited to the AGM where they can ask questions of the board. This method is actually a pretty good way to get people, who ordinarily don’t go to games and don’t have an emotional tie to the club, to donate money. Something like £20 a month with the chance to win some money each month plus a nice certificate of shares. Most of these people don’t want to sponsor a shirt or buy a season ticket. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1885 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 What's the latest on Ugwu? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFC 1876 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, Rob1885 said: What's the latest on Ugwu? I think it was a fake news story. We've got Oliver, Malcolm and Wilson who are all going to score 10+ goals in training this season. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampden Roar Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 14 minutes ago, Rob1885 said: What's the latest on Ugwu? It was a non story probably instigated by his agent to try and drum up interest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Myles Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Blame Me said: Forgive me but it does seem like there is confusion as to the purpose of the FSS. The contributions are to have more say in how the club is run and gain more involvement in the decision making - and future direction of the club - by buying shares. It's not to sustain the clubs cashflow as supporters are already doing that with season tickets, match tickets and retail alongside the wider sponsorship deals the club has. I thought that was the case. Thanks for clearing that up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah67 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Jackie Myles said: Probably injured again. Not at all, I got told it’s simply because he caught Covid so has to isolate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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