The Falkirk FC Thread

[Anthony Fitzgerald]

I'll reserve judgement on McKay till the league season is well and truly underway.

Yeah fair enough, makes sense to hold off on this before deciding how good he is or not.

One sentence later.

You know at some point he'll revert to type.

Ah okay maybe not then.

[Bigbri Bairn]

Whilst you could get reps who are in fss but not patrons  you'll struggle to get patrons reps who aren't members of fss I would think so one way or another your going to have a group with members on the bod over and above the group's reps. Wouldn't like to think that being a member of fss would stop a patron from being a rep surely.

Think the time that would be involved in doing justice to the FSS director role will be a stumbling block for a lot of members. If you stand up to do this role then you MUST be prepared to give it your all.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, PedroMoutinho said:

Not for me. In any organisation, you want people with diverse backgrounds and experience making decisions.

We have a situation where in theory there’s meant to be a 3 legged stool ownership model but in fact every one of those making key decisions is a member of one stool.

Members of the patrons group have effective total control of the club, which isn’t good for challenge or scrutiny.

So a Patron who has a successful business has the time and skill required to make a significant difference in your opinion can’t join the FSS or stand for election but some old duffer who cant read a p&l but wants a blazer to impress his mates can? Away and stop talking shite. 
Always one 
 

[Syd Puddefoot]

1 hour ago, PedroMoutinho said:

Not for me. In any organisation, you want people with diverse backgrounds and experience making decisions.

We have a situation where in theory there’s meant to be a 3 legged stool ownership model but in fact every one of those making key decisions is a member of one stool.

Members of the patrons group have effective total control of the club, which isn’t good for challenge or scrutiny.

Glaringly obvious from your posts you were either part of the past failed regimes that has taken us to our worst league finish since 1978  or you were a collaborator or sympathiser. Having a pop at folk trying to sort out this mess is tedious and petty. Get the feeling you want this new setup to fail, so inturn the club fails. There are some out there that bitter they'd accept that.

[TheScarf]

1 hour ago, Proudtobeabairn said:

Looking at our challengers performances yesterday the match stats suggest Airdrie and Dunfermline battered their (albeit weaker) opposition.  QOS have to be disappointed with their result after a lot of positive noise from their fans and doesn't look like Kelty deserved anything more from their game v ICT. 

 

Kelty’s defence is pretty good for League One. Forster and O’Ware nearly kept out the final ICT front 3 of the day of Billy McKay, George Oakley and Danny MacKay (a 3 far better than anything they’ll face in the league). It was relentless in the last 15 minutes and we finally broke the deadlock but Forster in particular was ridiculous yesterday. 

[FFC 1876]

12 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

Kelty’s defence is pretty good for League One. Forster and O’Ware nearly kept out the final ICT front 3 of the day of Billy McKay, George Oakley and Danny MacKay (a 3 far better than anything they’ll face in the league). It was relentless in the last 15 minutes and we finally broke the deadlock but Forster in particular was ridiculous yesterday. 

Becoming a personal trainer must have done him wonders as he looked absolutely ganting at Hibs and Dundee.

[Dawson Park Boy]

48 minutes ago, Bigbri Bairn said:

54 minutes ago, Jackie Myles said:

Whilst you could get reps who are in fss but not patrons  you'll struggle to get patrons reps who aren't members of fss I would think so one way or another your going to have a group with members on the bod over and above the group's reps. Wouldn't like to think that being a member of fss would stop a patron from being a rep surely.

Think the time that would be involved in doing justice to the FSS director role will be a stumbling block for a lot of members. If you stand up to do this role then you MUST be prepared to give it your all.

To be a director at FFC at present, you need to be able to devote about 3days per week to it at different times during the day or evening. For anyone in a demanding 9to 5 job it’s a non starter.

You probably need to be recently retired (in your 50’s)or have your own business(es) which allows you to devote the necessary time and effort.

Some business acumen is also necessary as the football world is full of sharks and charlatans.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, PedroMoutinho said:

It’s not a very minor issue imo when the new model was sold as 

 

“balanced ownership, where no single group has an overall majority and decisions must be made by collaboration and consensus.”

No one group is meant to have an overall majority and yet every angle director is a member of one group. Doesn’t add up to me.

 

Isn’t every Director a member of two groups? You could therefore claim any decision was made on behalf of the Patrons (which wouldn’t actually be true), or you could claim any decision was made on behalf of the FSS (which wouldn’t be true either).

We could all adopt a Machiavellian conspiracy that FSS is nothing more than an avenue for Patrons to get onto the Board by the back door, but that too would be untrue.

We shouldn’t see Patrons as some band of brothers with a few quid pulling the strings for their own personal benefit. It’s just not the case. They all want the same thing as every other fan…….and they will undoubtedly make mistakes along the way.

I would say they are available for anyone who wants to have a discussion. Yes, they have friends who are Falkirk fans…….because they were their friends long before these people became directors of the club. The truth is, the Patrons who are Directors are actually just Uber-volunteers. They have paid their £10k in order to be in a position where they can volunteer every hour that God gives them in pursuit of getting FFC back in the race. For that, they get no salary whatsoever. They get to hang around the Boardroom every couple of weeks being civil to whoever the Directors of the opposition happen to be, and I am sure that isn’t always great.

For the rest of the time, they will be concentrating on running the business, and leaving McGlynn and Smith to get on with the football side. 

[Kircer bairn]

2 hours ago, GeordieBairn said:

Fair play to Brad McKay btw for all he was absolutely dire last season I think he’s been very solid so far in the 3 games i’ve seen him.

This will absolutely come back to bite me shortly.

Solid some of the time I agree in first half but three times he mistimed the bounce of the ball after break resulting in red card for his fellow defender, yellow card for himself & missed opportunity for Morton attacker in other instance.

Personally speaking he is a squad cover option at best like McCann & once others like Donaldson & Watson are fit don’t see him featuring much at All 

[Guest]

36 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

To be a director at FFC at present, you need to be able to devote about 3days per week to it at different times during the day or evening. For anyone in a demanding 9to 5 job it’s a non starter.

You probably need to be recently retired (in your 50’s)or have your own business(es) which allows you to devote the necessary time and effort.

Some business acumen is also necessary as the football world is full of sharks and charlatans.

I don’t think everyone in a demanding job should be broad brushed out of contention. That would be a helluva dismissal of some serious talent.

[Guest Ecosse83]

Was told earlier that we offered Sibbald very good money and was close to signing until Dundee Utd came in. Hopefully that means the funds are still there for a few good signings.

[TheScarf]

1 hour ago, FFC 1876 said:

Becoming a personal trainer must have done him wonders as he looked absolutely ganting at Hibs and Dundee.

No idea but he was like a man possessed yesterday. Doran hit a shot in the first half that completely wrong footed the keeper and it was about to nestle in the net then he dove from out of nowhere and managed to deflect it wide.

[Guest Brockvillenomore]

1 hour ago, Syd Puddefoot said:

Glaringly obvious from your posts you were either part of the past failed regimes that has taken us to our worst league finish since 1978  or you were a collaborator or sympathiser. Having a pop at folk trying to sort out this mess is tedious and petty. Get the feeling you want this new setup to fail, so inturn the club fails. There are some out there that bitter they'd accept that.

Sad to say I agree. The tactics are simple avoid the detail, resist responding to specific requests, deny / defy / dismiss. All emotion and subjective unsubstantiated speculation........... that's my thesaurus worn out now, first time its seen the light of day for years. the facts are the BOD have a job to do, the objectives of FSS, the Patrons, the former MSG, ST holders, and PATG punters are the same. Why a handful are quibbling based on perceptions, who is in that group, who isn't in that group zzzzzzz....... we're all in this together, surely? 

[Russ]

Shite as yesterday's performance was, it does give us a really good chance of getting out of this group. And we could do with the money.
Beat Clyde and Bonnyrigg and that should be that. 
Incredibly at this level that might be enough to fund a player.

Nah there’s 1 less second place team qualifying due to the extra team in Europe so 8 points isn’t going to be enough. There will be teams not qualifying on 9 so we won’t have a chance with 8 if we got there.

[Ranaldo Bairn]

It's not as if I didn't explain this literally yesterday. 

8... no chance, well, extremely slim.

9... normally will do but this year even tougher.

So we'll probably need to win all 3 remaining games (one on pens will do) to guarantee progress with 10.

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, Brockvillenomore said:

Sad to say I agree. The tactics are simple avoid the detail, resist responding to specific requests, deny / defy / dismiss. All emotion and subjective unsubstantiated speculation........... that's my thesaurus worn out now, first time its seen the light of day for years. the facts are the BOD have a job to do, the objectives of FSS, the Patrons, the former MSG, ST holders, and PATG punters are the same. Why a handful are quibbling based on perceptions, who is in that group, who isn't in that group zzzzzzz....... we're all in this together, surely? 

We should be

[Jackie Myles]

2 hours ago, Russ said:

Nah there’s 1 less second place team qualifying due to the extra team in Europe so 8 points isn’t going to be enough. There will be teams not qualifying on 9 so we won’t have a chance with 8 if we got there.

Really no reason why Celtic have been given a bye this season. The group stages of the champ league don't start to mid September so it's not as if this competition is going to get in the way. Them playing in the group's would've meant they could keep the same format as before in regard to qualifying.

[RuncornBairn]

I don’t post on here much but seriously are people still questioning the motives of patrons who are also FS’s?  These are people who have put a chunk of money as well as regular payments. Forget the three legged stool analogy, guess it was just an attempt to explain to simpletons, maybe I also can be described as such but aren’t they all just true Falkirk fans putting money in the club. Just like our local Falkirk fan sponsoring the shirts, getting insults over the logo. If it carries on next year I’ll sponsor the shirt logo and it will be reminiscent of a dickhead, which sums up a few on here

Edited July 10, 2022 by RuncornBairn

[roman_bairn]

Really no reason why Celtic have been given a bye this season. The group stages of the champ league don't start to mid September so it's not as if this competition is going to get in the way. Them playing in the group's would've meant they could keep the same format as before in regard to qualifying.

I don’t like the OF but you can hardly give a bye to teams finishing below the champions and still ask the champions to qualify.
Talk sense……

[Russ]

I don’t post on here much but seriously are people still questioning the motives of patrons who are also FS’s?  These are people who have put a chunk of money as well as regular payments. Forget the three legged stool analogy, guess it was just an attempt to explain to simpletons, maybe I also can be described as such but aren’t they all just true Falkirk fans putting money in the club. Just like our local Falkirk fan sponsoring the shirts, getting insults over the logo. If it carries on next year I’ll sponsor the shirt logo and it will be reminiscent of a dickhead, which sums up a few on here

It’s Falkirk fans. Infighting is what we do best.