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36 minutes ago, Back Post Misses said:

Not convinced that is true other than he wanted to come to Falkirk, as he has done for a couple of years 

You had previously said you trusted the directors to do what’s best for the club regarding Goodwillie. Surely that means they would have to be accountable for the fallout had we signed him? 

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3 minutes ago, Caractacus Potts said:

You had previously said you trusted the directors to do what’s best for the club regarding Goodwillie. Surely that means they would have to be accountable for the fallout had we signed him? 

Maybe I missed it but I think he signed for Raith? 

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On 07/01/2022 at 22:22, Back Post Misses said:

Let’s not forget we are discussing a rumour in the Sun newspaper and posts on P&B with some saying they know exactly what is going on. 

The reps know my view. If they differ, they differ I have not asked them. I trust them to do what they believe is the best for the club. If that is different to my view so be it. 

 

10 minutes ago, Back Post Misses said:

Maybe I missed it but I think he signed for Raith? 

 

The point isn’t about where he ended up, it’s that had we offered enough money then we’d have been in Raith’s shoes. 

Besides, we were talking about whether the board should bear responsibility for the error of trying to sign him. Your post from January is a bit contradictory to what you’re saying now, as how could they be trusted to do the right thing if you believe they shouldn’t have a say in any signings?

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6 minutes ago, Caractacus Potts said:

 

The point isn’t about where he ended up, it’s that had we offered enough money then we’d have been in Raith’s shoes. 

Besides, we were talking about whether the board should bear responsibility for the error of trying to sign him. Your post from January is a bit contradictory to what you’re saying now, as how could they be trusted to do the right thing if you believe they shouldn’t have a say in any signings?

Not my understanding of what happened that is why I asked about what day the 31st was. 

Anyway when there is an AGM the shareholders will be entitled to ask the question and we will get the answer. 

Neither you or I really know the full story. 
Time we all moved on and the truth can be asked for at an AGM. 

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Not my understanding of what happened that is why I asked about what day the 31st was. 
Anyway when there is an AGM the shareholders will be entitled to ask the question and we will get the answer. 

Neither you or I really know the full story. 
Time we all moved on and the truth can be asked for at an AGM. 

I don’t think it’s a story we can move on from. This Board were prepared to sign a rapist and destroy the reputation of the club.
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If we did indeed bid for him then we have learned a lesson for free. The media and sponsors do not want associated with DGW and it does more harm than anyone imagined. We learn a lesson and use it for future signings

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3 minutes ago, 18BAIRN76 said:

A large degree of this sniping at each other could be solved by complete openness and transparency. I hope this is forthcoming.

It won’t be. If the Board tell their side of the story and it differs from the snipers agenda story and the DGW story they won’t believe the Board 

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Just now, Back Post Misses said:

It won’t be. If the Board tell their side of the story and it differs from the snipers agenda story and the DGW story they won’t believe the Board 

They could at least try. Something they haven’t really done yet. Hopefully soon though if what some are saying is going to be the case. 

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5 hours ago, gav-ffc said:

He (Hartley) recommended Richard “Mitch” Mitchell as our down south scout but the idea of signing players from down south came from Mr Campbell.

So it was Hartley’s idea to get in an English scout and Hartley’s idea to sign a bunch of English players he hadn’t seen on the recommendation of their agent, but somehow not his idea to sign players from down south?

I really don’t understand some peoples desire to re write history wrt Hartley. He is a significant part of the reason why we are where we are imo.

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8 minutes ago, Back Post Misses said:

It won’t be. If the Board tell their side of the story and it differs from the snipers agenda story and the DGW story they won’t believe the Board 

An agenda story now 😂

You wouldn’t know the truth so why deny something so strenuously that you don’t know anything about? 

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3 minutes ago, Ecosse83 said:

An agenda story now 😂

You wouldn’t know the truth so why deny something so strenuously that you don’t know a anything about? 

There are people coming on here with agendas. Not you necessarily but there are. It is obvious to anyone with any gumption. 
The Board side of the DGW story will be asked at an AGM I am sure. I 100% think some won’t believe what they say if it differs what some have been told by others. 

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1 minute ago, Back Post Misses said:

There are people coming on here with agendas. Not you necessarily but there are. It is obvious to anyone with any gumption. 
The Board side of the DGW story will be asked at an AGM I am sure. I 100% think some won’t believe what they say if it differs what some have been told by others. 

Fair enough decent response, my opinion is although they did go for him it’s done now and they won a watch by not getting him. I think  everyone was surprised at the backlash Raith received over it and maybe there was a bit of naivety there being interested in him. 

The Griffiths stuff I don’t agree with, I was happy when we signed him and really thought he’d do well but hey ho it didn’t work out, these things happen!

Anyway this is the last I’m going to say on the above subject, I only want what’s best for the club and the new guys need supported, they won’t get everything 100% correct, who does? The sniping on here will hopefully die down soon! 

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Agendas? You’ve had an agenda for years to cause disruption and criticise the club. Now your group are in power no-one is allowed to criticise the bod.

Nothing wrong with holding the board to account - if they do a good job we won’t have anything to complain about. AGM is a long time away and not open to the ordinary fan.

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While I can see the arguments for and against a youth academy it is worth bearing in mind that the so called 'Big 8' with Elite level funding hoover up most of the kids.  There are 12 further academies that receive funding of various degrees from the SFA.  Most of the 'best' youngers end up here. 

There has always been a feeling that parents egos play a big part in which club a youngster signs.  Many a parent loves to say that their kid has signed for The Rangers or The Celtic rather than for their local club where they would have more chance of actually breaking through to the first team.  Ask yourself, over the last 10 years for example, how many youngsters have come through the academy and played in The Rangers first team.  One or two will break through and that sells papers when quoted as being the next big thing in the Scotland squad.  However, it is big name signings that sells jerseys at Old Firm clubs and that will always be their signing policy.  

This all being so, is it not more financially prudent to have the 'Elite 8' funded clubs coach these youngsters until the age of 18 to 20 at which time they are released and then sign players from this pool?   Look at any club in the lower leagues and you can guarantee that there are a large volume of players who came through a Premier League club youth system but did not make it.  Its not to say that these players being released are poor.  No, there just comes a time where they have to be offered a professional contract and if they are not close to at least being on the bench regularly for the first team, they are set free.  Andy Robertson, probably the best left wing-back in the world, was released by Celtic.  Falkirk themselves signed Daryl Duffy from The Rangers and sold him for a handsome profit just a few years later.

While bringing a player through from the academy is always a great thing and allows the fans to say he is one of our own, is it not worth investing time and money in scouting the youth systems of others teams and signing the best of their end of season freebies who are closer to first team action when signed rather than years away in our own youth system?

Just an alternative point of view worth debate

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36 minutes ago, Braes_Bairn said:

Agendas? You’ve had an agenda for years to cause disruption and criticise the club. Now your group are in power no-one is allowed to criticise the bod.

Nothing wrong with holding the board to account - if they do a good job we won’t have anything to complain about. AGM is a long time away and not open to the ordinary fan.

Not open to the ordinary fan ?you make out as if you have to be a millionaire to get in FFS.  I'm an ordinary fan and will be attending whenever it's held. 

Of course the bod need to be held accountable but you also need to give them time.  Rennie didn't work out unfortunately. He's away. People were quick to point out that it's hard to get decent players in January well the same could be said for managers mid season.  They now have a full close season to get the right manager in and allow him to sign the players that will give us a decent team back . They also have their hands full trying to sort out the mess left by the last lot.  They will be judged like any other board though on how we do on the park this season but let's at least give them a chance to get things right first before we start calling for their heads.

 

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