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41 minutes ago, Back Post Misses said:

Rennie appointment aside what other mistakes have been made? 

 

13 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:

Exactly other than we haven't got an under 20s team we've heard hee haw else.

Trying to sign Goodwillie, allegedly?

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54 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:

You'll struggle to find anyone on here that thinks that closing the academy wasnt a dreadful idea and that doesn't want a proper academy back at the club but it has to be done at the right time.  Spending money on a b team won't sell season tickets I'm afraid and short termism as it may be we can't really look any further ahead than putting everything into getting out of this league.  There's also no point in putting under 18s into a first team full of absolute shitebags like our first 11.  They need an environment where they can play alongside players they can look up to and rely upon. 

It's not exactly a surprise to some of us to find out that decisions are changing on various things considering the fact that the bod are uncovering new issues at the club by the day. If we can't afford a b team just now then unfortunately we just need to wait till we can afford it it's as simple as that. If the previous incumbents hadn't signed a pile of dross and pissed the clubs cash reserves down the drain on all sorts of stuff we probably could've afforded a b team.

The club would have to make a firm budget commitment inflation proofed to fund the academy for the next 10 years. That would be the minimum timespan to give it credibility with talent breaking through, being sold on and therefore becoming self funding and that's crucial for it to succeed long term. 

The situation we find ourselves in makes that impossible and a half arsed half way house is doomed to failure.

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1 hour ago, Brockvillenomore said:

🎣 😂 You’re a newbie targeting one subject. Youth development is all about opinions and how or when they mature. How many succeed? It’s a tiny percentage. But,  there is none of this reality or even nuance in your posts, only criticism driven from a narrow / selective perspective. The very definition of self interest. 
 

And yes, I am partly to blame. Standing back and criticising but doing nothing constructive about it while the club was driven into the ground. I’m a member of FSS and see that as a catalyst for change. But ten years of rack and ruin isn’t fixed overnight. 
 


 

Not into this 10 years of “rack and ruin”. 5 years of middling (academy bearing fruit, cup final, 2015/16) then 5 years of “rack and ruin”.

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4 minutes ago, Caractacus Potts said:

Trying to sign Goodwillie and spending a fortune on Leigh Griffiths. 
 

 

That's surely comes under appointing Rennie.  He would've put those two signings to the bod I very much doubt that the bod said we  must try and  sign either. The bairn for life  money was ringfenced for a player the manager signed the wrong player.

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10 minutes ago, gav-ffc said:

Do the board suggest signings?

No, but they would have to sanction and fund the signing.

I refer you to the club statement of January 5th 2022.

"None of this will happen overnight, and we fully expect it will take the entire duration of our three-year directorships to come to fruition. Our short-term priority is, of course, to support Martin and Kenny and give them the resources they need to put a winning team on the pitch. To do that, we’ll always make decisions we believe to be in the best interests of the club, whether those decisions are popular with all fans or unpopular with some. Longer-term our goal is to rebuild the whole club on and off the pitch and to restore, in full, its former status as one of Scotland’s best run football clubs. We thank you all for your warm welcome and support so far, and commit to always working hard in the best interests of Falkirk Football Club. Our club belongs to all of us, and we all have a part to play in getting us back to the Premiership. We look forward to working with you over the coming months and years"

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14 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:

That's surely comes under appointing Rennie.  He would've put those two signings to the bod I very much doubt that the bod said we  must try and  sign either. The bairn for life  money was ringfenced for a player the manager signed the wrong player.

Yes and no. I think the Board at all times must protect the clubs reputation so regardless of who the manager wants, if it’s someone like Goodwillie then they must draw the line for the sake of the club. Managers will only be concerned with putting a winning team on the park. 

Griffiths is more on the manager however with the money we were allegedly paying him then I think there’s a big question on whether the club can afford to take the risk on paying so much for a player. I said the same regarding Yogi spending fortunes on old players. At some point the board has to consider if it’s value for money. 

I didn’t think it was worthwhile at the time but had it came good then it would be justified. Point is it didn’t work out so was a bad decision. Regardless of whether it was BFL money, it has been wasted when finances are going to be more crucial than ever. 

Do we know that the signing of Griffiths was pushed by the management by the way? 

 

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6 minutes ago, Bairn in Exile said:

No, but they would have to sanction and fund the signing.

I refer you to the club statement of January 5th 2022.

"None of this will happen overnight, and we fully expect it will take the entire duration of our three-year directorships to come to fruition. Our short-term priority is, of course, to support Martin and Kenny and give them the resources they need to put a winning team on the pitch. To do that, we’ll always make decisions we believe to be in the best interests of the club, whether those decisions are popular with all fans or unpopular with some. Longer-term our goal is to rebuild the whole club on and off the pitch and to restore, in full, its former status as one of Scotland’s best run football clubs. We thank you all for your warm welcome and support so far, and commit to always working hard in the best interests of Falkirk Football Club. Our club belongs to all of us, and we all have a part to play in getting us back to the Premiership. We look forward to working with you over the coming months and years"

The goodwillie issue is one thing. Who knows the full extent of that but it needs to be the manager who decides on how his  budget is spent in 99 percent of cases.  If Rennie says to the bod the money that has been ringfenced for a striker I want to use to sign Lee Griffith's then the board surely have to back the manager or we'll struggle to get any manager in if the bod are having the final say on each and every player we sign.

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Just weighing in on the Ian Murray speculation these are quotes from himself whilst being questioned about the Hibs job - 

“I’m very, very happy where I am. I’ve enjoyed tremendous backing from my own board and I’ve really enjoyed getting to know Airdrie as a football club.

“I’ve been given time to build the football club and I’ve absolutely loved it.

 

“I love the group of players that I’ve got and my relationship with the board and chairman."

I'd like to think there'll be a new contract waiting for him at the end of the season regardless if we go up or not.

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13 minutes ago, Caractacus Potts said:

Yes and no. I think the Board at all times must protect the clubs reputation so regardless of who the manager wants, if it’s someone like Goodwillie then they must draw the line for the sake of the club. Managers will only be concerned with putting a winning team on the park. 

Griffiths is more on the manager however with the money we were allegedly paying him then I think there’s a big question on whether the club can afford to take the risk on paying so much for a player. I said the same regarding Yogi spending fortunes on old players. At some point the board has to consider if it’s value for money. 

I didn’t think it was worthwhile at the time but had it came good then it would be justified. Point is it didn’t work out so was a bad decision. Regardless of whether it was BFL money, it has been wasted when finances are going to be more crucial than ever. 

Do we know that the signing of Griffiths was pushed by the management by the way? 

 

The bfl handed over money to be used in the transfer window to sign a player. The manager signed the wrong player. Said manager is now moving on.  The money was wasted in this case but by the manager if you ask me not the bod. If the money hadn't been used I'm sure someone would've got it tight for that.  I said myself I think the cash would've been better spent on a centreback or midfielder but it's the manager who decides what he does with his budget at the end of the day. The goodwillie case is different. As I said who knows the full extent of that. I'm sure the guys on the bod will have learned from that one.

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2 minutes ago, AJ77 said:

Just weighing in on the Ian Murray speculation these are quotes from himself whilst being questioned about the Hibs job - 

“I’m very, very happy where I am. I’ve enjoyed tremendous backing from my own board and I’ve really enjoyed getting to know Airdrie as a football club.

“I’ve been given time to build the football club and I’ve absolutely loved it.

 

“I love the group of players that I’ve got and my relationship with the board and chairman."

I'd like to think there'll be a new contract waiting for him at the end of the season regardless if we go up or not.

Everything you'd expect a manager to say if he's still doing a job for Airdrie. If Hibs were  in for him do you really think he'd hang about?

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18 minutes ago, AJ77 said:

Just weighing in on the Ian Murray speculation these are quotes from himself whilst being questioned about the Hibs job - 

“I’m very, very happy where I am. I’ve enjoyed tremendous backing from my own board and I’ve really enjoyed getting to know Airdrie as a football club.

“I’ve been given time to build the football club and I’ve absolutely loved it.

 

“I love the group of players that I’ve got and my relationship with the board and chairman."

I'd like to think there'll be a new contract waiting for him at the end of the season regardless if we go up or not.

Gerrard said the same when he was linked with Newcastle and a few weeks later he was at Villa.

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45 minutes ago, Bairn in Exile said:

No, but they would have to sanction and fund the signing.

I refer you to the club statement of January 5th 2022.

"None of this will happen overnight, and we fully expect it will take the entire duration of our three-year directorships to come to fruition. Our short-term priority is, of course, to support Martin and Kenny and give them the resources they need to put a winning team on the pitch. To do that, we’ll always make decisions we believe to be in the best interests of the club, whether those decisions are popular with all fans or unpopular with some. Longer-term our goal is to rebuild the whole club on and off the pitch and to restore, in full, its former status as one of Scotland’s best run football clubs. We thank you all for your warm welcome and support so far, and commit to always working hard in the best interests of Falkirk Football Club. Our club belongs to all of us, and we all have a part to play in getting us back to the Premiership. We look forward to working with you over the coming months and years"

Exactly so board supplies budget and manager spends it how he sees according so I’d say the Griffiths experiment falls under appointing Rennie. As would have signing Goodwillie but that chat went very quiet after the FSS vote and Clyde actually offered Goodwillie out after the original speculation and the subsequent FSS vote. 

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5 hours ago, Toaby said:

QOTS don’t see them as dross as they’ve signed a few of them on pro contracts.

Your “dross” comment about young footballers epitomises everything that is wrong at FFC.

And what is that exactly? 

What benefit is a 8-1 hammering to anyone? 

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17 minutes ago, Nearly Sane said:

Less than Lee Griffiths?

So less than 30k . We'd need what 15 players minimum at least. A mixture of your 3 under 18s and some experience. I presume they are all expected to play for nothing?  First team squad will be tight this season so can't see many of them being involved.  Coaches I presume would want expenses at least but wouldnt have salaries.  All seems quite cheap if we can get a proper b team together for that kind of money.  Plus the it's a recurring cost not just a one off like Griffiths and that money was given to the club on the condition it would be spent on signing a first team player.

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10 minutes ago, Marshmallo said:

This is exactly how I feel about Griffiths and Goodwillie.

Griffiths has been a disaster which (IMO) you could've seen coming a mile off, but he was signed by the manager as far as I can see and that's on him. If a load of fan reps are dictating how the manager spends his budget then that's a shambolic situation to be in.

Goodwillie was a unique case where his signing would've caused significant damage to the club as a whole and I think the BoD should've been stepping in to have that as a complete red line. If Rennie or any other manager wanted to make signing Goodwillie an ultimatum then I'd bid them farewell. Ultimately Goodwillie didn't sign for us so Ito me we should forget about it and move on. As you say if there was an intention of signing him then the BoD will be breathing a sigh of relief and hopefully they don't entertain anything similar in future, although I can't see many comparable scenarios presenting themselves.

 

The new board have moved Holt on which is obviously a positive. Rennie was a poor appointment but it was a perfectly reasonable choice at the time and the short term deal is a mitigating factor which has limited damage it could have caused if they'd given him three years, for example. The next big decision is our next manager. I'd not take Kenny Miller but it's not like they've offered him the manager's role straight away or rushed into anything more generally. Things have been shambolic on the park since the BoD took over but I'm not holding that against them too much.

 

On a slight tangent I agree with the guy earlier in the thread who said his views aren't any less valid by not joining FSS. I've signed up for FSS and completely believe in a fan ownership model for a club like ours, but I know plenty others who haven't signed up and it doesn't mean they're part of a problem, not big enough fans or anything like that. Your common or garden Falkirk fan wants to go along on a Saturday with their kids or mates, maybe have a couple of beers pre and post match, and watch us winning games in entertaining fashion. The boardroom stuff makes everything run but 90% of people don't give a shiny shite, and that's perfectly OK.

If you want people to buy in who aren't online losers like myself then I think a more positive image needs to be presented. People can ask questions online and should expect better than "go to this specific pub at this specific time on a Monday and you might find out if you ask them face to face". It's been a thoroughly unpleasant experience being a Falkirk fan for about 4 or 5 years now and people will complain or look to the new board to change everything overnight. That obviously isn't feasible but having an understanding of people's frustration wouldn't go amiss. I think we'll get a lot further presenting a plan of next steps for the future.

Brilliant post.

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