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11 minutes ago, Marshmallo said:

Dunipace u20s seem to be sweeping everyone aside at an admittedly relatively low level. We should be looking at getting some sort of partnership in place with the likes of them, Camelon, Syngenta, the Shire.

I understand there is already a link between Falkirk FC and Syngenta regarding their players, from speaking to a coach who was with Syngenta

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1 hour ago, Marshmallo said:

Dunipace u20s seem to be sweeping everyone aside at an admittedly relatively low level. We should be looking at getting some sort of partnership in place with the likes of them, Camelon, Syngenta, the Shire.

Dunipace are a very well run club with good facilities and first team performing well in the EoS A Division, would be no bad thing linking up with them.

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1 hour ago, Shadwell Dog said:

That's not true the bod are definitely looking at the possibility of having a b team in the lowland leagues. 

Otherwise the 16s and 18s are all we need just now. No need for under 11s etc . Once we are out of league one we can then look at expanding but it's not something we should be jumping into at the moment and spending more cash on.  Fergus's idea of bringing in an under 11s side was sheer stupidity for a side languishing in the third division. 

Not the point. There's a very talented 16 year old at the club, he sees talented players told to leave the club after U18 as there's no U20s, no pathway to the first team. Other teams scouting him offer him a place at their club (that does have an U20's/pathway to 1st team), off he goes next month. Other talented players follow suit.

So scrap the youth system all together on the basis it's not a priority/can't afford it OR see it as a fundamental building block to the future of the club and invest in it. At least set out/communicate a vision. The mismanagement and half-arsed approach at the moment is doing no-one any good and damaging the reputation of the club.

 

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There are indeed promising U18s now being jettisoned (one for the second time in his young life). It really is reputationally damaging. We do it right or not at all. The current set up is an escalator that ends nowhere other than out the door unless you are a real prodigy.

It really does not feel right.

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Oh, and if we win both our remaining matches in the Leigh Griffiths farewell tour, and QP lose to Montrose, there must be no room for revisionist bollocks along the lines of “Oh fine margins. We only missed out by a point”.

No we didn’t. Golf terminology works best……..we lost 10 & 9. We were 10 adrift with only 9 to play for.
Besides, QP have a play off to prepare for. A league game against us will be a rest day for their better players.…..and totally agree, being determined to win the last three……would have preferred a bit of determination from September onwards.

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31 minutes ago, Duncan Freemason said:

There are indeed promising U18s now being jettisoned (one for the second time in his young life). It really is reputationally damaging. We do it right or not at all. The current set up is an escalator that ends nowhere other than out the door unless you are a real prodigy.

It really does not feel right.

I believe the structure proposed by the group/groups who offered to step in to fund the academy in 2018 was to operate a structure without an under 20s team.

Given that many of the same individuals are now involved at the club, it wouldn’t surprise me if this was the plan.

I believe the argument back then was that the academy itself only cost £90k a year to run, which was the sum they were willing to provide. Instead of funding a reserve team, I think their proposal was to send the players who would be playing in it out on loan instead.

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Putting any stock whatsoever in the last 3 games is purely for the benefit of the COYB fb group sorts.

Hardly anyone from the football side of the club deserves to even be in the discussion for next season and those who have no intention of mutually consenting their way out the door need to know that nothing about this season was acceptable in any way.

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If we are to have any sort of youth team it should be an U20s team made of a mix of promising 16 to 19 years - none of the  fodder which would usually be made to fill teams for each age group. Put them in the Lowand or EOS u20s set up and see how they go. There is absolutely nothing wrong with putting 16/17 year olds in at u20 with the aim of them having 2 or 3 years to prove their worth.

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1 hour ago, Duncan Freemason said:

There are indeed promising U18s now being jettisoned (one for the second time in his young life). It really is reputationally damaging. We do it right or not at all. The current set up is an escalator that ends nowhere other than out the door unless you are a real prodigy.

It really does not feel right.

Unfortunately youth development has to be at the very back of the bods priority's at the moment simply due to the amount of work required to get the club on an even keel.  The bod are working 7 days a week to sort out the financial mismanagement left by the previous incumbents so I wouldn't expect them to just say to folk just now I here's 90k for this or that.  At the moment we have a 16s and 18s. No idea how good they are as they are playing against shite most weeks at this level unfortunately. I've no idea what the previous boards plans were for the player pathway but I don't see how adding an under 11s side into the mix who can't play anyone was going to make things any better. The clubs finances need cleared up first before money can start going to things like more youth teams. New screw ups and dodgy deals  by deans band of merry men are being uncovered by the day so its not going to happen overnight. Add to that the fact we need a new manager and new first 11 and I'm sure we can see that there isn't much time for much else at the moment. I'm sure the idea of the b team will be taken further at some stage but at the moment there's a lot bigger fish to fry than youth development at the moment.

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1 hour ago, PedroMoutinho said:

I believe the structure proposed by the group/groups who offered to step in to fund the academy in 2018 was to operate a structure without an under 20s team.

Given that many of the same individuals are now involved at the club, it wouldn’t surprise me if this was the plan.

I believe the argument back then was that the academy itself only cost £90k a year to run, which was the sum they were willing to provide. Instead of funding a reserve team, I think their proposal was to send the players who would be playing in it out on loan instead.

The 90k though was alongside sizeable grants from the SFA back then . As far as I'm aware you can only move up an academy level every 3 years too and we have to decide that just now and we just aren't in a financial position to do so so I'd expect it to be another 3 years before we look at expanding into under 11s etc.  Hopefully by then we'll be back in the championship at least. At the moment though the b team seems like a far more realistic idea.

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3 hours ago, Nearly Sane said:

Not the point. There's a very talented 16 year old at the club, he sees talented players told to leave the club after U18 as there's no U20s, no pathway to the first team. Other teams scouting him offer him a place at their club (that does have an U20's/pathway to 1st team), off he goes next month. Other talented players follow suit.

So scrap the youth system all together on the basis it's not a priority/can't afford it OR see it as a fundamental building block to the future of the club and invest in it. At least set out/communicate a vision. The mismanagement and half-arsed approach at the moment is doing no-one any good and damaging the reputation of the club.

 

You do know if you have inside information and you’re ‘articulating” it here you’re part of that problem. You yourself are damaging  the reputation of the club mate. Also your information, if correct’ is post IF leaving. Have you been overlooked by the club for a different role and you’re acting out here? 

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6 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

For some strange reason i am thinking about going tomorrow.

I am going tomorrow, yes I know but there you go.

We have  the last home game of the season tradition of the players coming back out after the game to salute the fans, well here is a wee tip boys. DON’T even think about it.

Also just had the YouTube notification about KM pre~match thoughts. Says it’s pre East Fife !! ffs can’t we get anything right

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41 minutes ago, Harry Kinnear said:

Watching Arbroath tonight they are everything we aren’t. A team that fights like f**k for the jersey, full of players who burst a gut for their side. 

Standard in the championship looks the worst ever if that's the top two sides. Arbroath giving everything as you say but look very limited Haven't been out their half for most of the second half. Killie the better quality but haven't created any where near enough clearcut chances.  Refs had an absolute stinker too.

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12 minutes ago, kemlinbairn said:

I am going tomorrow, yes I know but there you go.

We have  the last home game of the season tradition of the players coming back out after the game to salute the fans, well here is a wee tip boys. DON’T even think about it.

Also just had the YouTube notification about KM pre~match thoughts. Says it’s pre East Fife !! ffs can’t we get anything right

Saw that was well,but on the bonus side Brad McKay is out.

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6 hours ago, Reggie Perrin said:

Dunipace are a very well run club with good facilities and first team performing well in the EoS A Division, would be no bad thing linking up with them.

A well run club, good facilities, performing well……….then FFC come calling. At this point in time, fully expect Dunipace to respond with “Eh, naw, yer awright mate. Maybes gie us a bell in a year or two.”

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