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2 hours ago, Shadwell Dog said:

I'm sure they said at the meet the board meetings that we were staying full time. You should've gone along and asked them.

No official announcement has been made and over the decades watching Falkirk have heard many  'Circumstances dictated' to make any assumptions.  Hope its full time if it is make an official statement.

If there is one positive thing the board can do is to improve their media management.

What's stopping them is what's got me worried.

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1 hour ago, Taxi for De Massis said:

I’ve still to see any significant walk away from our fans. We have been dreadful for several years and still manage at least 3000+ at home games. Perhaps the reduction is more visible in away games (we used to bring quite a sizable support with us).

Apathy is a common trait amongst us. We complain constantly (I am also part of this) but will we do anything about it?

Unlikely.

Have you been to either of the two most recent home games? The drop-off in support is staggering. I wasn't at the Montrose match but the South Stand yesterday felt as empty as I can possibly ever remember it since its opening 13/14 years ago, certainly for a league fixture. I could easily foresee an equivalent terrible away support at Methil on Saturday. The attendance figures discussion has been done to death on here and elsewhere, suffice to say they are nonsense as they include all season tickets sold so bear no reflection of the actual attendance on the day. There was nothing like that number against Cove.

Whilst it's clear that many have, understandably, chucked it for this season, I'm not totally convinced there will be a massive drop-off next season even if Rennie is inexplicably kept on. A decline certainly, especially when you consider the wider economic climate, but we've had what, five seasons of basically utter dross and season tickets and attendances have held up remarkably (and undeservedly) well in that period. I still remember the summer we went down, 2019, when morale was at rock-bottom and the clowns in the boardroom were trying to flog the club to the Bexley shyster. Everyone was saying "not renewing", "will pay at the gate", "won't be back until the club is sold". We still reached something like 2200/2300 season tickets.

I'm still holding out hope that (a) those running the club cannot possibly be so wilfully ignorant as to what is staring them in the face in terms of on-pitch performance, diminishing fanbase and the incredible degree of apathy gripping the club and (b) that Rennie's next season/planning for the future schtick is just the standard bravado and defence mechanism of a manager who knows that he's finished but has to keep up the pretence/delusion for the sake of his future employment prospects. The alternative is too horrendous to contemplate. 

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I don't expect the board to announce Rennie is leaving. The prospect of the players giving even less of a shit than they do now isn't appeaing and it's still possible for us to end up in the relegation play-offs I think. The fact they haven't announced he is staying is a good thing. Kenny Miller spending an increasing amount of time with the media seems to point to him going though. 

 

If Rennie stays, I won't renew my ST but if results pick up I'll probably pay at the gate. Sustained improvement may see me buy a half season at Xmas.

If Rennie goes and an interesting name is appointed, I'll probably renew BUT only after the first game of the season, no Early Bird for me.

 

Reason is I want to see if they continue with the ridiculous lecture over the PA. I will not return if that stays. I don't go to the football to be patronised, lectured and treated like an idiot. I can stay at home for that. Get that lecture to f**k and whoever dreamt it up should get a real dressing down, fucking idiot. 

 

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FWIW I don't think Rennie is staying. I've already said this but I just think the board have accepted this season is gone, and have selected the preferable "optics" of letting Rennie take the team, letting his contract expire and put out a both parties say thanks and move on, rather than carry out a sacking that would achieve absolutely nothing except to appease some blood lust from the fans. 

The gamble is, I suppose, every week of this apathy is another week of potential for fans to reach the tipping point of not coming back.... 

 

Eta im nit sure iv been at a home game since this PA thing kicked off. What's the jist of it?

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6 minutes ago, Newbornbairn said:

I don't expect the board to announce Rennie is leaving. The prospect of the players giving even less of a shit than they do now isn't appeaing and it's still possible for us to end up in the relegation play-offs I think. The fact they haven't announced he is staying is a good thing. Kenny Miller spending an increasing amount of time with the media seems to point to him going though. 

 

If Rennie stays, I won't renew my ST but if results pick up I'll probably pay at the gate. Sustained improvement may see me buy a half season at Xmas.

If Rennie goes and an interesting name is appointed, I'll probably renew BUT only after the first game of the season, no Early Bird for me.

 

Reason is I want to see if they continue with the ridiculous lecture over the PA. I will not return if that stays. I don't go to the football to be patronised, lectured and treated like an idiot. I can stay at home for that. Get that lecture to f**k and whoever dreamt it up should get a real dressing down, fucking idiot. 

 

You won't go to games because the PA system tells you not to invade the pitch or shout racist abuse?

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2 minutes ago, Marshmallo said:

You won't go to games because the PA system tells you not to invade the pitch or shout racist abuse?

There's more to it than that - it's a five minute tirade. Totally over the top.

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9 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

 

 

Eta im nit sure iv been at a home game since this PA thing kicked off. What's the jist of it?

"Sit on yer arse or we'll punish ye, don't complain or we'll punish ye, don't talk back or we'll punish ye, don't give the stewards funny looks or we'll punish ye, don't open your mouth or we'll punish ye, do as you're told or we'll punish ye."

 

Only heard it the once (they dropped it for the next game). At first it's just background noise but it goes on and on and on to the point the folk around me in the SS were clearly getting irritated by it. 

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FWIW I don't think Rennie is staying. I've already said this but I just think the board have accepted this season is gone, and have selected the preferable "optics" of letting Rennie take the team, letting his contract expire and put out a both parties say thanks and move on, rather than carry out a sacking that would achieve absolutely nothing except to appease some blood lust from the fans. 
The gamble is, I suppose, every week of this apathy is another week of potential for fans to reach the tipping point of not coming back.... 
 
Eta im nit sure iv been at a home game since this PA thing kicked off. What's the jist of it?

It could be worse this young man apparently deserves a full time club according to his pals in the media.




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37 minutes ago, Newbornbairn said:

Reason is I want to see if they continue with the ridiculous lecture over the PA. I will not return if that stays. I don't go to the football to be patronised, lectured and treated like an idiot. I can stay at home for that. Get that lecture to f**k and whoever dreamt it up should get a real dressing down, fucking idiot. 

 

Are you honestly being offended by a PA announcement that is there to address inappropriate behaviour?

Jings. I thought you would be more concerned about footballing matters and potentially spending more time in the seaside leagues.

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Just now, Bairnardo said:
1 minute ago, SuperSaints1877 said:
Do us a favour a record it at the next home game as I don’t believe it lasts for 5 minutes.

Haven't you got a teary meltdown to carry on with in your match thread?

When I need cheering up all I need to do is visit the Falkirk thread. 

Rangers held the banter years baton for many years. You’ve taken over the running. 

My team is looking likely for relegation playoff so make sure the baton is clean before you hand it over.

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Well, the club issue attendances based on PATG plus ST numbers.

Last Saturday and yesterday showed that people are staying away…..probably moreso than we have seen previously.

Tbh, we had all the wailing and gnashing of teeth last season when we failed to secure fourth. It was supposed to be one of those “never again” defining moments. Maybe it was, but this season has been even worse. We couldn’t even take it into the last three games.

M&M and Sheerin paid the price for rank rotten performances, but it feels to me that the guy who has been even worse is the guy they might try to keep.

I just do not know how they go about explaining to the support that they want to keep the guy who has been the poorest of all recent managers.

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1 hour ago, Newbornbairn said:

I don't expect the board to announce Rennie is leaving. The prospect of the players giving even less of a shit than they do now isn't appeaing and it's still possible for us to end up in the relegation play-offs I think. The fact they haven't announced he is staying is a good thing. Kenny Miller spending an increasing amount of time with the media seems to point to him going though. 

 

If Rennie stays, I won't renew my ST but if results pick up I'll probably pay at the gate. Sustained improvement may see me buy a half season at Xmas.

If Rennie goes and an interesting name is appointed, I'll probably renew BUT only after the first game of the season, no Early Bird for me.

 

Reason is I want to see if they continue with the ridiculous lecture over the PA. I will not return if that stays. I don't go to the football to be patronised, lectured and treated like an idiot. I can stay at home for that. Get that lecture to f**k and whoever dreamt it up should get a real dressing down, fucking idiot. 

 

It certainly looked to me that the security regime was stepped up yesterday- as well as the lecture, there was the awful metal barriers erected at the front of the south stand and there seemed to be a lot more stewards in the south stand.

What the board were expecting, I really don’t know as the main feeling around the ground seems to be apathy.

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As ever, there are truths to both sides of what people are saying. The new board are recently in post and should be afforded the time to turn things around - on that basis, it seems silly for fans to stop attending now, just when it appears the perfect opportunity to get everyone on board and pulling in the same direction. However, while I, like everyone else (bar maybe one or two on here), wants the new board to succeed, it is a two-way deal. We're going to be entering our fourth season in this dumpster fire of a league, and every consecutive season we've been moving further and further away from getting ourselves out of it. This is in midst of over a decade of consistent decline (with 15/16 proving to be the exception) and external issues of people increasingly struggling to get by financially. I can totally understand the reticence of some supporters as well.

I wrote to Gary Deans at the end of last season, saying that after 15 consecutive years of being a season ticket holder, I had had enough of people not being held accountable for incredibly poor decision-making and I would not be returning until he and Holt were gone. The response I got was along the lines of "We're sorry, but you're a loyal supporter, so you're probably just saying this while angry and you'll be back".  I did not renew. The installation of Cones totally underwhelmed me and I thought it was a terrible appointment at the time. I refrained from overtly saying so as to not appear overly negative. However, the calamity of this season proved my worst fears right and while it gives me absolutely no joy whatsoever, I feel I have been vindicated in not buying a season ticket this season. I watched a quite number of away streams under Sheerin, before I attended two homes games in person just after Rennie was first appointed and Holt was given the boot. It didn't take long to realise things had possibly got even worse than under Cones. Rennie now does indeed have a worse record than Cones, and we're still discussing the possibility of him being kept on next season. It's totally baffling and thoroughly depressing.

I think the days of fans exhibiting blind loyalty to a football club are over. We are post-pandemic, where people were forced to experience life without football. It's also especially the case for a club like ours, which has taken its support for granted for far too long.  I want to return next season - buying a season ticket even if I cannot attend every game in person. While I haven't missed it per se, this season has still hurt - ultimately, this is my club and I love it. But this doesn't mean I will hand over my money regardless of any factors - the "they're my club, so they can just have my money!" simply doesn't cut it for me anymore. The board have my and many others backing, but we need to see concrete initiative and action from them. I won't be buying a ST if Rennie is kept on in the face of all the data - I doubt I'm the only one. With transparency and openness, combined with evidence-based decision-making (ala Rennie), I feel they have a loyal fanbase who will listen and may be more forgiving than many think. But it is incumbent on the board to take these steps before many supporters will feel comfortable parting with their cash.

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43 minutes ago, SuperSaints1877 said:

Hey @Marshmallo

I know you “think” Falkirk are a more successful team than St Mirren, but the truth is you’re not.

65 years and counting since your last major trophy and I assume you are not old enough to have witnessed it.

Shame.

Give me more red dots ya mentalist!

 

This is true I’m afraid. Since WW2 St Mirren have had many top half finishes in the top flight. We’ve been bang in the middle a few times but no where near St Mirren and haven’t finished inside the top half in the top flight late 1940s! 
 

Our glory days were pre WW1 for consistent high place finishes.

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