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We currently have a management team that appear unable to motivate the players off the park and have failed to bring in any players that can motivate on the park. That's unfortunately a recipe for disaster.

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2 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:

We currently have a management team that appear unable to motivate the players off the park and have failed to bring in any players that can motivate on the park. That's unfortunately a remedy for disaster.

:thumsup2 I know you didn't mean it mate, but that's brilliant!

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Perhaps Rennie's biggest failure has been that motivational aspect considering his reputation was football coach and motivational speaker.
All the focus is on Rennie but what part is Miller playing in this? 

[mention=81760]Springfield[/mention] asked my why I still backed Rennie and it's because I am advocating evolution rather than revolution. Do we need a more experienced first team coach perhaps.
Why is Miller getting so much attention and scrutiny, its not like its M and M situation where they are joint managers, at end of day buck stops with Rennie, he's the manager.
Is it because of his old firm connections, can't mind Grainger getting as much grief, and I can't even mind who Mckinnons assistant was
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 Ferguson still does talks at harvard on motivation but his methods are out of date you say. The right managers mix it for the right moments. What do you think the players need then? More of the old I wish I was better stuff and the players are a great bunch of lads they're brilliant in training which has got us mid table in league one and getting pumped by Airdrie . Take me back to the 90s tomorrow when we had a side playing electric football run by a manager who knew when to scream and shout at the players when necessary and not this dross we have to accept every sat.

Nope, he lectures on “The Business of Entertainment, Media and Sports” program.

Try again.

And we also played a lot of shite football in the 90s as well.
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6 hours ago, Back Post Misses said:

Nobody has said the won’t suffer. IMO they never drop as far as people think they will. 

I hope your pals on the board don’t get as complacent as this and just expect the fans to fork out for tickets regardless of the decisions they make! 

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5 minutes ago, Amarillo Bairn said:

Why is Miller getting so much attention and scrutiny, its not like its M and M situation where they are joint managers, at end of day buck stops with Rennie, he's the manager.
Is it because of his old firm connections, can't mind Grainger getting as much grief, and I can't even mind who Mckinnons assistant was

I highlight it because of his less than stellar stint at Livingston and his role as "technical director" at Newcastle Jets - was that akin to Gary Holt's role here.

I don't care much about his Rangers bias to be honest just as I didn't care when Jimmy Nicholl was our assistant as he has a hell of a lot of experience in that type of role.

I just question, with hindsight, whether Rennie would still choose him or perhaps at the seasons end he might decide he needs an experienced #2 around him. 

While we're discussing SAF he was never shy of changing it up when he had too (Knox, McLaren, Muelensteen, Queiroz, Smith, Phelan etc).

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33 minutes ago, Amarillo Bairn said:

Why is Miller getting so much attention and scrutiny, its not like its M and M situation where they are joint managers, at end of day buck stops with Rennie, he's the manager.
Is it because of his old firm connections, can't mind Grainger getting as much grief, and I can't even mind who Mckinnons assistant was

Exactly the same attention Baz got at Alloa.  Not because of his managerial prowess, but the fact he used to play for one half of the OF before they become Sevco.

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1 hour ago, Springfield said:

Got a feeling that Saturday could be a watershed, a good competent win will give MR breathing space, a defeat I suspect will a catalyst for change. Strangely it’s been a graveyard for the club before.

You'll beat us comfortably. Just like you have in the previous two games.

It might actually be in your own best interests to roll over to us mind you. A competent victory and a wee run of decent form between now and the end of the year might see Rennie given an extended deal. Which, from the outside at least, would set up next season to be a disaster for you guys too.

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37 minutes ago, KiwiDB said:


Nope, in a squad of 25 players (roughly) it’ll probably need 25 different approaches.

It should really be 25 separate conversations of: "You've been under performing, is there a reason why? If not then improve or you're out the team/door"

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1 hour ago, KiwiDB said:


Nope, he lectures on “The Business of Entertainment, Media and Sports” program.

Try again.

And we also played a lot of shite football in the 90s as well.

Having read his biography and been at football nights with players Ferguson managed who confirmed the ethos of how he went about things. Respect with a little  bit of fear buying into what they are trying to achieve as individuals and as a team. As Shankly stated 'A successful football team is socialism working'

Lay down the ground rules with a timeline shape up or ship out. Once that is established then its man management. You will get more out a player sometimes with an arm round the shoulder and a talk and another time the hair dryer. The same principles applied to Busby, Shankly, Stein as shown in Leo Moynihan's brilliant book The Three Kings.

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1 hour ago, KiwiDB said:


Nope, he lectures on “The Business of Entertainment, Media and Sports” program.

Try again.

And we also played a lot of shite football in the 90s as well.

Yeah point out where we were mid table in league one getting pumped by any decent side we faced. All our most successful managers were happy to bollock the players when necessary and when they weren't performing.  If your happy with the current way things are going then fine but I'd much rather have a McCall, campbell or a mcglynn chasing this mob any day of the week. And if you think Dick Campbell doesn't give the players pelters when necessary just because of him being a successful business man then you are way off.

Ferguson has lectured on numerous things at harvard including managing Man United when he talked about how he managed and motivated players so no need for me to try again.

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14 minutes ago, HopeStreetWalker said:

Having read his biography and been at football nights with players Ferguson managed who confirmed the ethos of how he went about things. Respect with a little  bit of fear buying into what they are trying to achieve as individuals and as a team. As Shankly stated 'A successful football team is socialism working'

Lay down the ground rules with a timeline shape up or ship out. Once that is established then its man management. You will get more out a player sometimes with an arm round the shoulder and a talk and another time the hair dryer. The same principles applied to Busby, Shankly, Stein as shown in Leo Moynihan's brilliant book The Three Kings.

Exactly you need to be able to do both . This complete nicely nice approach isn't working.

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How many players do we have that are contracted to us for next season?

I'm wondering if the lack of motivation from some of them is because they have 2 months left on a contract and are just phoning it in and thinking about their holidays. 

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18 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:

Exactly you need to be able to do both . This complete nicely nice approach isn't working.

Look Shadwell, I've no desire to get embroiled in another shitfest but you can't know what goes on in the dressing room or training ground. Rennie comes over as a nice guy but that doesn't necessarily mean that he speaks to the players in the same way. For all any of us know he may have a completely different demeanor at training. 

Having said that, if we were to look at things as simply, then I certainly don't get the impression that Miller would be a shrinking violet when dealing with folk.

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