The Falkirk FC Thread

[Springfield]

Where have we heard this before;

“Declan McDaid up front - he's not really played that position never mind played but I thought he had a terrific game.“

[FFC1982]

Some of these comments do make me laugh, “Murray would get 2 attempts at a rebuild” we’ve barely given a manager half a season in the last 5 years without calling for his head.

Genuinely how long do people think we should be given to turn around 10 years of malaise at our club. We’re starting to write off a new board after less that 3 months and whilst i agree that Rennie may not be the answer, he’s only been in role for 3 months. 

People need time to build a proper side, of the 6 we’ve signed in the winter window, you could argue that 5 are an improvement but its a lot more difficult to turn a team who has been losing a lot around.

Genuinely not trying to provoke an argument but surely we need to reach a point of stability at some point?

[Russ]

Some of these comments do make me laugh, “Murray would get 2 attempts at a rebuild” we’ve barely given a manager half a season in the last 5 years without calling for his head.
Genuinely how long do people think we should be given to turn around 10 years of malaise at our club. We’re starting to write off a new board after less that 3 months and whilst i agree that Rennie may not be the answer, he’s only been in role for 3 months. 

People need time to build a proper side, of the 6 we’ve signed in the winter window, you could argue that 5 are an improvement but its a lot more difficult to turn a team who has been losing a lot around.
Genuinely not trying to provoke an argument but surely we need to reach a point of stability at some point?

Do we need stability? Absolutely. Does that mean you just keep in place any old manager or squad despite massive under performance and huge questions about their ability to do their job? Of course not.

To keep someone in the job whose clearly not good enough just to provide ‘stability’ is absolute madness.

[Springfield]

Five managers / three BODs across three/four seasons, the latest BODs/Managers in for three months. 

Stability required absolutely! should the BOD go with Rennie for another season ?

The most critical for me is players leaving/retention, many posting we could have as many as 12 players still in contract for next season.

The BOD will know that theirs not a manager anywhere that could get a tune out of these as witnessed last season/this season.

With the likelihood Kabia Dowds Griffiths away, it’s looking like a fair majority of shite will be here, unless there is contractual caveats to get rid of, and/or there’s pay offs.

There’s every chance (as previously posted) we could be in a position with a squad of fuds with little investment in replacement players, add in that the league could consist of at least five clubs going for the top spot.

Will the uptake in STs remain strong? Will the FSS get a huge fan contribution uptake?If we thought the last few years with the club have been hugely disappointing, I can only guess we’re going into another close season with huge trepidation.
 

[Ranaldo Bairn]

We could very likely be battling relegation next season, such is the cornucopia of dross that we've been lumbered with. It's genuinely frightening.

 

Still, with our 150th anniversary coming up in '26/27, hopefully we can be "there or thereabouts" in a battle for the Lowland League flag.

[knee jerk reaction]

We go either of two ways, give Rennie time and hope he's like fergie and turns things around with a bit of time or we offer our next manager(s) an eight week rolling contract with minimum position and wins required in that time or their out....

[Ranaldo Bairn]

4 minutes ago, knee jerk reaction said:

We go either of two ways, give Rennie time and hope he's like fergie and turns things around with a bit of time or we offer our next manager(s) an eight week rolling contract with minimum position and wins required in that time or their out....

Too long.

Two game rolling contracts; 4 points minimum or it's the chop.

[Guest Caractacus Potts]

1 hour ago, FFC1982 said:

Some of these comments do make me laugh, “Murray would get 2 attempts at a rebuild” we’ve barely given a manager half a season in the last 5 years without calling for his head.

Genuinely how long do people think we should be given to turn around 10 years of malaise at our club. We’re starting to write off a new board after less that 3 months and whilst i agree that Rennie may not be the answer, he’s only been in role for 3 months. 

People need time to build a proper side, of the 6 we’ve signed in the winter window, you could argue that 5 are an improvement but its a lot more difficult to turn a team who has been losing a lot around.

Genuinely not trying to provoke an argument but surely we need to reach a point of stability at some point?

That’s exactly what we’re saying though so if you can see it too then I’m not sure I get your argument to stick with a manager just for the sake of it. Rennie’s instant impact was the reason for him being appointed. Needless to say that hasn’t happened.

I’d keep Rennie till the end of the season so he’s got till then to show he should be there the following season.  We just need to make the right appointment. Lee Bullen at Ayr for instance is having a great impact. Where was he 3 months ago!?

Edited March 7, 2022 by Caractacus Potts

[scottsdad]

I joked with my dad on Saturday morning: Who are Falkirk drawing with this week? 

We're becoming specialists.

[ShaggerG]

24 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

I joked with my dad on Saturday morning: Who are Falkirk drawing with this week? 

We're becoming specialists.

Only Dumbarton and Airdrie have drawn fewer games than Falkirk this season.

[scottsdad]

4 minutes ago, ShaggerG said:

Only Dumbarton and Airdrie have drawn fewer games than Falkirk this season.

we've drawn 3 of our last 6 games. 

[ShaggerG]

2 hours ago, FFC1982 said:

Some of these comments do make me laugh, “Murray would get 2 attempts at a rebuild” we’ve barely given a manager half a season in the last 5 years without calling for his head.

Genuinely how long do people think we should be given to turn around 10 years of malaise at our club. We’re starting to write off a new board after less that 3 months and whilst i agree that Rennie may not be the answer, he’s only been in role for 3 months. 

People need time to build a proper side, of the 6 we’ve signed in the winter window, you could argue that 5 are an improvement but its a lot more difficult to turn a team who has been losing a lot around.

Genuinely not trying to provoke an argument but surely we need to reach a point of stability at some point?

It's taken Murray 4 seasons to take Airdrie to 2nd place yet folk think he'd come in and fix it straight away and if not, he should be given two feckin seasons. He wouldn't get two games! This is the very reason why McCall stated that he wouldn't come back.

Rennie's said himself that 'this is what a rebuild looks like' or words to that effect and he's got plenty of experience in that regard. His overall record is much better than Murray's too.

Of course we all want a manager to come in and turn us into Barcelona instantly but it's very obvious that that isn't going to happen, no matter who the manager is.

[ShaggerG]

2 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

we've drawn 3 of our last 6 games. 

Maybe you're right then?

[Shadwell Dog]

13 minutes ago, ShaggerG said:

It's taken Murray 4 seasons to take Airdrie to 2nd place yet folk think he'd come in and fix it straight away and if not, he should be given two feckin seasons. He wouldn't get two games! This is the very reason why McCall stated that he wouldn't come back.

Rennie's said himself that 'this is what a rebuild looks like' or words to that effect and he's got plenty of experience in that regard. His overall record is much better than Murray's too.

Of course we all want a manager to come in and turn us into Barcelona instantly but it's very obvious that that isn't going to happen, no matter who the manager is.

He's working with peanuts at Airdrie though and crowds of under 1000. Our budget may be cut but it will still be bigger than Airdrie's and the vast majority of sides in this league.

What we need to see is progress. That's what we aren't getting despite a substantial amount being spent over the past two  months. Noone expects us to be Barcelona but also we shouldn't expect us just to be as shit as we were before those players came in.  I'd expect a decent manager to at least have us well organised and difficult to score against especially after bringing in 3 new defenders and a supposed defensive midfielder.  We should be able to beat the likes of Peterhead and Clyde and be in a position to give the better clubs a hard time of it at least but we're nowhere near that just now.

And McCall wouldn't come back as he'd been shafted by the club when Holt got the managers job. Hee haw to do with pressure to get results. He wouldn't give a feck about that.

Edited March 7, 2022 by Shadwell Dog

[scottsdad]

3 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:

He's working with peanuts at Airdrie though and crowds of under 1000. Our budget may be cut but it will still be bigger than Airdrie's and the vast majority of sides in this league.

What we need to see is progress. That's what we aren't getting despite a substantial amount being spent over the past two  months. Noone expects us to be Barcelona but also we shouldn't expect us just to be as shit as we were before those players came in.  I'd expect a decent manager to at least have us well organised and difficult to score against especially after bringing in 3 new defenders and a supposed defensive midfielder.  We should be able to beat the likes of Peterhead and Clyde and be in a position to give the better clubs a hard time of it at least but we're nowhere near that just now.

And McCall wouldn't come back as he'd been shafted by the club when Holt got the managers job. Hee haw to do with pressure to get results. He wouldn't give a feck about that.

Money does not necessarily buy you the speed of transformation though. Much more is needed that simply being able to spray wage packets and a succession of sub-par platers, managers and coaches. 

It takes time. You could double our budget and it will still take time. Buying players does not mean instant improvements and success - it takes time for these players to settle in, to gel, to take on board the manager's style and philosophy. Just because we bought a new player 6 weeks ago does not mean that we should have been better for that whole 6 week period. 

[ShaggerG]

3 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:

He's working with peanuts at Airdrie though and crowds of under 1000. Our budget may be cut but it will still be bigger than Airdrie's and the vast majority of sides in this league.

What we need to see is progress. That's what we aren't getting despite a substantial amount being spent over the past two  months. Noone expects us to be Barcelona but also we shouldn't expect us just to be as shit as we were before those players came in.  I'd expect a decent manager to at least have us well organised and difficult to score against especially after bringing in 3 new defenders and a supposed defensive midfielder.  We should be able to beat the likes of Peterhead and Clyde and be in a position to give the better clubs a hard time of it at least but we're nowhere near that just now.

And McCall wouldn't come back as he'd been shafted by the club when Holt got the managers job. Hee haw to do with pressure to get results. He wouldn't give a feck about that.

McCall wouldn't come back because of the toxic nature of the fans. I'm talking about a recent conversation. Holt got the manager's job many boards ago. None of the folk involved at that time are involved now.

[ShaggerG]

Just now, scottsdad said:

Money does not necessarily buy you the speed of transformation though. Much more is needed that simply being able to spray wage packets and a succession of sub-par platers, managers and coaches. 

It takes time. You could double our budget and it will still take time. Buying players does not mean instant improvements and success - it takes time for these players to settle in, to gel, to take on board the manager's style and philosophy. Just because we bought a new player 6 weeks ago does not mean that we should have been better for that whole 6 week period. 

Well put.

[Shadwell Dog]

2 minutes ago, ShaggerG said:

McCall wouldn't come back because of the toxic nature of the fans. I'm talking about a recent conversation. Holt got the manager's job many boards ago. None of the folk involved at that time are involved now.

Our fans are no worse than any other clubs FFS. Having seen how the fans backed him when he was here why the feck would he be bothered about getting it tight. He's at partick fighting out for promotion from the champ so theres absolutely feck all chance he'd come back anyway so I've no idea why he'd even be asked having knocked us back a season or so ago already.

 

7 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

Money does not necessarily buy you the speed of transformation though. Much more is needed that simply being able to spray wage packets and a succession of sub-par platers, managers and coaches. 

It takes time. You could double our budget and it will still take time. Buying players does not mean instant improvements and success - it takes time for these players to settle in, to gel, to take on board the manager's style and philosophy. Just because we bought a new player 6 weeks ago does not mean that we should have been better for that whole 6 week period. 

In that case what's the point in bringing players in in Jan Feb if the seasons about over by the time they 'settle' in . When you need improvement you need to bring in players that will make a difference now not with 3 or 4 weeks to go especially if it's short term contracts or loan deals. 6 weeks is a long time and we still are seeing zero improvement and i'd wager anyway that we'll be just the same level in another 6 weeks.  Decent managers can make a difference straight away simply by organising and motivating better.

[Guest Caractacus Potts]

I know there are some fans who shout dogs abuse at games but I just don’t buy them being an issue to stop anyone from coming to the club.

Do people honestly think our fans are any different than other teams with a support our size? 

Partick fans were wanting McCall out before he turned them around as were Ayr fans in his first season there. St.Mirren fans gave a ton of abuse to Jack Ross before he turned things round. If Rennie starts to do the same for us then he’ll be cheered but for now he’ll have to accept that it’s not good enough. Doesn’t mean to say people have the right to shout abuse but that happens at any football club. We’re not unique. 

Edited March 7, 2022 by Caractacus Potts

[Shadwell Dog]

2 minutes ago, Caractacus Potts said:

I know there are some fans who shout dogs abuse at games but I just don’t buy them being an issue to stop anyone from coming to the club.

Do people honesty think our fans are any different than other teams with a support our size? 

Partick fans were wanting McCall out before he turned them around as were Ayr fans in his first season there. St.Mirren fans gave a ton of abuse to Jack Ross before he turned things round. If Rennie starts to do the same for us then he’ll be cheered but for now he’ll have to accept that it’s not good enough. Doesn’t mean to say people have the right to shout abuse but that happens at any football club. We’re not unique. 

A lot of clubs would have hee haw watching them after the shite we've been through over the past few years. Look at Airdrie less than a thousand watching and they used to have a decent support whilst we're still getting over 3000 regularly.