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15 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:

Dropping kabia was simply an utterly mindboggling decision. Pace kills sides in this league and he has it in abundance.  The fact you've then got Mr invisible hetherington on the park just compounds the issue.  Play a formation that allows you to put the most of your decent players on the park and keeps the dross to a bare minimum.

Was trying to keep as positive as possible with post, but your bang on. Hetherington was simply abysmal, ATS same and the overall attitude of the players was shocking. A mate said to me that the players downed tools on Saturday, not sure but beginning to think we’ve got unrest in dressing room….   

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2 minutes ago, Springfield said:

Was trying to keep as positive as possible with post, but your bang on. Hetherington was simply abysmal, ATS same and the overall attitude of the players was shocking. A mate said to me that the players downed tools on Saturday, not sure but beginning to think we’ve got unrest in dressing room….   

Totally agree. Watson seemed to feel the the fans pain. Rennie certainly did not. Change is needed now to prepare us for next season.

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1 minute ago, 1876 ffc said:

Totally agree. Watson seemed to feel the the fans pain. Rennie certainly did not. Change is needed now to prepare us for next season.

Possibly the most stupid post that I have seen on here for many a moon.

Do you want your pals back in the Boardroom as well?

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26 minutes ago, 1876 ffc said:

Totally agree. Watson seemed to feel the the fans pain. Rennie certainly did not. Change is needed now to prepare us for next season.

Absolutely agree.

Rennie's had 8 league games and we have 11 left therefore we need to get a new manager in now so that we can sack him after another 8 games and the new new guy will still have 3 games left to prepare for next season!

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Just to add in a bit wee bit objectivity to assess Rennie’s short tenure to the rest of our recent managers these are the stats for the first 8 league games in charge…

 

       w    D    L     GF     GA 

MR.  3     1    4      16     12

PS.   3     1    4       11      10

MM  5    3    0       20    5

RM   2    1     5       4      9  

PHa 1     3    4       6      15


Make of it what you will. Rennie certainly not had the worst of starts but well short of Miller and McCracken at the moment. 

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Yesterday we played against a team who are top of the league on merit They have a settled side who have developed as a unit. We on the other hand are a team that has been recently assembled to help us from possible problems. We were never going to beat them at this stage and we will struggle against Airdrie too. All we can hope for is a gradual improvement and hope we can fire on to the play offs.

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Getting pissed off with this six game turnaround some folk are expecting.

Ian Murray has taken 3+ years to get Airdrie into shape & it's taken Dick Campbell longer at Arbroath.

Those old enough will remember it took Falkirk 3/4 years to swing it round in the 70's, without changing manager 2x a season, so instant teams are a complete rarity.

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12 minutes ago, kiddy said:

Getting pissed off with this six game turnaround some folk are expecting.

Ian Murray has taken 3+ years to get Airdrie into shape & it's taken Dick Campbell longer at Arbroath.

Those old enough will remember it took Falkirk 3/4 years to swing it round in the 70's, without changing manager 2x a season, so instant teams are a complete rarity.

I don’t think people are expecting miracles tbh. To be frank it shouldn’t take 4 years to get a Falkirk team capable of competing in league 1.

We’d have been as well giving M and M or Sheerin ‘more time’ if that expectation is too ambitious.

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In reality, we have a relatively slow back three who in all probability, would be ok with crosses being slung into the box but are having to face head on onslaughts because no-one in the midfield or wing back positions (apart from Jacobs) sees defending as their main role…..at least, not consistently.

Just about every team in the league has found us not too difficult to score against.

I actually think the line up on Saturday was an attempt to avoid a heavy defeat. The one element of our team theoretically capable of giving opposition defences real difficulties (Kabia, Griffiths, Dowds) is the one thing that is sacrificed on the altar of Hetherington and McKay. For me, that was a major howler on MRs part.

I actually hope MR sticks around, but I also hope he isn’t closing his mind to the fact that rotten performances are partially down to his tactics as it is the players inability to do the things he wants. He plays his part in the failures as well…..never more so than last Saturday.

The one nagging doubt I have is come next season, Kelty Hearts plus QotS join the party. Are we even going to be sorted for that challenge especially when you think of the players we can’t unload because of Holt and Sheerin’s generous contracts?

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I thought Sheerin deserved a chance to stay, particularly without Holt hanging over him however he made his job untenable. 
 

Rennie definitely deserves a lot longer. He seems to have more about him but unfortunately it’s still not translating on the pitch the way we’d hope. 

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3 minutes ago, Caractacus Potts said:

I thought Sheerin deserved a chance to stay, particularly without Holt hanging over him however he made his job untenable. 
 

Rennie definitely deserves a lot longer. He seems to have more about him but unfortunately it’s still not translating on the pitch the way we’d hope. 

I actually thought the Sheerin appointment was quite interesting at the time.

Unfortunately after a decent start it soon became obvious that he was in over his head and by the time of his departure he was barely functioning in his job.

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1 hour ago, kiddy said:

Getting pissed off with this six game turnaround some folk are expecting.

Ian Murray has taken 3+ years to get Airdrie into shape & it's taken Dick Campbell longer at Arbroath.

Those old enough will remember it took Falkirk 3/4 years to swing it round in the 70's, without changing manager 2x a season, so instant teams are a complete rarity.

Dick Campbell won league 2 in the first season he joined he then took them to 3rd then first in league one on an absolute pittance so to say it's taken him 3 plus years to get them into shape is absolute nonsense.  Airdrie are  about where they should be given their resources any thought of promotion for them would be a decent achievement.Noone expects us to suddenly win the league but the tactics and team selection yesterday was absolute dross . There was little or no passion or commitment  from some of the new players never mind the old ones. It's all about progress and yesterday we didn't see any I'm afraid.  At the end of the day we're spending a lot of money on Griffiths so we bloody well should see an improvement otherwise we're just wasting fans hard earned cash once again.

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52 minutes ago, Stainrod said:
 

And even when times are bad and Saturdays are to be dreaded me still have hope. Its what we do. The 70's were a nightmare and the crowds dwindled. It WILL get better but not overnight

We were a different animal back then mind you. We didn't have anywhere near the resources advantage we have now for instance.  Get the right people spending our budget and we'll soon be heading in the right direction.

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It was clear to anyone with a functioning brain that from about 6 weeks in Sheerin was a fucking diddy and should never have been appointed. I would be inclined to say that I''d have to flip a coin to call who was more useless manager between him and Eddie May, but actually, I'd probably just go ahead and say Sheerin. At least May had the excuse of being in the top-flight. 

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7 minutes ago, 18BAIRN76 said:

It was clear to anyone with a functioning brain that from about 6 weeks in Sheerin was a fucking diddy and should never have been appointed. I would be inclined to say that I''d have to flip a coin to call who was more useless manager between him and Eddie May, but actually, I'd probably just go ahead and say Sheerin. At least May had the excuse of being in the top-flight. 

I agree with your assessment of their abilities, however, in fairness to May, he never wanted the job, he was well aware that his talents were as a coach. Sheerin was deluded and actively sought the job.

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9 minutes ago, 18BAIRN76 said:

It was clear to anyone with a functioning brain that from about 6 weeks in Sheerin was a fucking diddy and should never have been appointed. I would be inclined to say that I''d have to flip a coin to call who was more useless manager between him and Eddie May, but actually, I'd probably just go ahead and say Sheerin. At least May had the excuse of being in the top-flight. 

May never wanted the job and at least tried to jack it in earlier than he did. I've never in my 40 odd years of watching Falkirk seen a manager stand up and  say to fans that he wished he was better . That was when how far out of his depth he was really hit home 

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8 hours ago, Duncan Freemason said:

 

In reality, we have a relatively slow back three who in all probability, would be ok with crosses being slung into the box but are having to face head on onslaughts because no-one in the midfield or wing back positions (apart from Jacobs) sees defending as their main role…..at least, not consistently.

Just about every team in the league has found us not too difficult to score against.

I actually think the line up on Saturday was an attempt to avoid a heavy defeat. The one element of our team theoretically capable of giving opposition defences real difficulties (Kabia, Griffiths, Dowds) is the one thing that is sacrificed on the altar of Hetherington and McKay. For me, that was a major howler on MRs part.

I actually hope MR sticks around, but I also hope he isn’t closing his mind to the fact that rotten performances are partially down to his tactics as it is the players inability to do the things he wants. He plays his part in the failures as well…..never more so than last Saturday.

The one nagging doubt I have is come next season, Kelty Hearts plus QotS join the party. Are we even going to be sorted for that challenge especially when you think of the players we can’t unload because of Holt and Sheerin’s generous contracts?

I’m less worried about teams like QoS and Alloa coming down from the Championship tbh. As you point out, it’s new, hungry ambitious clubs like Kelty, Cove and QP who we are struggling to compete with at present.

Not sure how long their models are sustainable tbh but at the moment they are getting more things right than us.

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8 hours ago, Caractacus Potts said:

I thought Sheerin deserved a chance to stay, particularly without Holt hanging over him however he made his job untenable. 
 

Rennie definitely deserves a lot longer. He seems to have more about him but unfortunately it’s still not translating on the pitch the way we’d hope. 

FFS we got thrashed by QP 6-0 and you thought he should stay when it was obvious players had downed tools for him. Jesus wept 

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