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6 hours ago, BudBairn said:

I am not sure the FSS is that well advertised. Potentially something that needs to be looked at.

Has there been local advertising in the falkirk herald or on local radio?

From a marketing point of view it could be better but it’s run by volunteers so fair play to them as these people are giving up their own time for the love of the club.

Given that the rules on Covid have been relaxed, they could perhaps set up stalls in the car park prior to a home game to talk to and encourage fans. Maybe do something in line with the Crunchie Initiative and get Kevin there to meet and greet ?

Photos and some freebies for the kids, attract the parents in, sell the concept, which is excellent and get people to sign up.

Not sure if it’s viable, just thinking out loud.

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4 hours ago, Harry Kinnear said:

I agree with this but I also feel that years of bad decisions by the board has really left a lot of fans feeling detached from the club. 
 

I will be at my first home game since we got relegated on Saturday but I will be alone. The other 6 people that I used to go with, 3 of whom were ST holders have either lost interest or have found other things to do on a Saturday.  The new board have a lot of work to do to get lapsed fans back and a better product on the park could help with this.

I also however agree that a lot of families are feeling the pinch financially at the moment and the pending gloom of energy rises, mortgage rates going up etc means they are tightening their belts and maybe just don’t have the cash.

Think this is a really good point. I used to go with 3 others.. none of them are interested any more.  A couple may come back if we are promoted but I doubt that. 

It's a long hard road back, and it could take another decade or more to see the top division again. Which is when the real increase in support comes in.

The right people are in charge finally..be that BoD, FSS or Patrons. Excellent groups of people. 

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Think the thing that will have a far, far greater impact than any advertising campaign etc would be a swell of wins.

A feeling of building to something tangible on the park that we haven’t had in 2,3,4 years. A little run into the playoffs eg would imo see membership increase hugely.

I don’t agree with that btw - fans money is probably more important in this scheme when times are bad rather than good - but imo it’s how a lot of our supporters think 

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9 hours ago, Andreas Kelevra said:

Excuses…. 

Motherwell have 3200 members in their society and we have 300. I think Morton have double our membership.

Inverclyde and Lanarkshire are hardly well off areas.

 

 

 

 

 

I know Motherwell have had a big increase in membership and ST sales off the back of getting to 3 cup finals, a number of good league finishes, multiple appearances in Europe and good publicity generally (debt going right down, free ST renewals during Covid etc), but they're still only getting 4,500 home fans a game which is what we were getting in the Championship and would surpass in the Premiership. 

Motherwell's member numbers are absolutely what we should be aiming at long term, as a minimum. Their pledges start at £5 a month though.

We shouldn't be taking the numbers for granted though. St Mirren, another club with a similar fan base to our own appear to have just 450 members. I'm not sure what their pledge costs start at.

I really don't know the reason for the slower uptake on the FSS as I expected it to be well towards 1000 by now, it really could be as simple as how poorly we are performing on the park? When we were in the Championship there was always a strong optimism amongst our support that we could get promoted to get back to where we should be and all would be well. Now I think everyone's a bit depressed at what the club is going through at the moment and who can blame them?

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24 minutes ago, NavyBlueArmy1876 said:

 

I know Motherwell have had a big increase in membership and ST sales off the back of getting to 3 cup finals, a number of good league finishes, multiple appearances in Europe and good publicity generally (debt going right down, free ST renewals during Covid etc), but they're still only getting 4,500 home fans a game which is what we were getting in the Championship and would surpass in the Premiership. 

Motherwell's member numbers are absolutely what we should be aiming at long term, as a minimum. Their pledges start at £5 a month though.

We shouldn't be taking the numbers for granted though. St Mirren, another club with a similar fan base to our own appear to have just 450 members. I'm not sure what their pledge costs start at.

I really don't know the reason for the slower uptake on the FSS as I expected it to be well towards 1000 by now, it really could be as simple as how poorly we are performing on the park? When we were in the Championship there was always a strong optimism amongst our support that we could get promoted to get back to where we should be and all would be well. Now I think everyone's a bit depressed at what the club is going through at the moment and who can blame them?

External factors such as rising fuel costs, rising food costs, increased mortgage rate will all have an impact. People have less disposable income now.

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There is a traveler lost in the countryside and he stops to ask a local they way to the nearest large city. The local stops and thinks for a while and then answers:

“Well, if I was you, I wouldn’t be starting from here”.

The joke has been cited in print since at least 1924, when an Englishman asked an Irishman for directions. The joke has been applied to mean that if a person wanted to get there (a successful place), he or she wouldn’t start from here (a humble place).

This, unfortunately, is where Falkirk FC and the FSS and others supporters organisations find ourselves. It is precisely because we are languishing in tier 3 that all of these laudable efforts to raise cash for the club are so important. Sadly, the timing couldn’t be more wrong due to external factors such as Covid, rising fuel and energy costs, rising mortgages etc. However, we can’t give up, we have to keep trying to raise the necessary funds to help get us where we all would like to be. Due to circumstances, it just might take us longer than we would all like.

We have to start from somewhere, what better place than here (and now)?

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I'm involved in FSS and this is my own opinion not the organisations.

There is no doubt that increases in membership follow good news stories eg Holt going led to a spate of sign ups. My guess is that many more people will join up when (if) we start winning again. There is huge disillusionment around the club - we have lost c. 500 - 750 off the gate from the start of the season.

The FSS first trench of money was paid in (£6k) and will be given to the club each quarter. There should be news soon about the B4L I hope. There are elections for the committee and the Board Members coming up and anyone who is a member by 11 Feb can vote/stand. The more people who stand for election the better - the point of FSS is to be democratic and accountable.

As for publicity - social media eg Facebook, Reddit, etc is the main outlet but we have handed out 2,000 leaflets at home games and have other printed standing orders for those who don't want to sign up online. There are regular email updates about what is happening which are sent to members and then a few days later put up on the website. If you go to https://falkirksupporters.org/#about then you can see what has been happening. Additionally if you want to join or know someone who wants to join then please send them this link: https://falkirksupporters.org/subscribe/

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Thanks for the comments on FSS membership and marketing.  First a personal comment - I do hope we'll get our numbers up to several times where we are now, but I still don't think 330+ (and the 165 - less overlap and opt-outs from B4L) takes it well over 400 in the first 2 months of operation.  Maybe I'm unambitious but I think that's a good start.

The poster above has mentioned how we've communicated.  There has also been a couple of Falkirk Herald articles, several programme articles and stuff on the official website and social media channels.  I spoke at the AGM too.

Of course we need more and better comms, though, so I'm not for a second being defensive.  Yes to a Twitter account - we don't have that yet.  We could put out more on Facebook.  And we need to find better ways of reaching people who aren't on social media and/or rarely use the interweb.  All very fair points.

I do hope we get good people with ideas stepping up for the elections.  It's crucial we have people with the skills and enthusiasm to get this right.  There are currently 9 of us on the cttee and it can be a slog sometimes.  And don't forget we're just a steering committee to get it off the ground - it's up to the wider Bairns support what direction it goes in next.

Really welcome the debate and ideas though.

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3 hours ago, Brockvillenomore said:

Hope so @StuartA and thanks also to @Dawson Park Boy. I see positive input and communication from FSS but worryingly zero from BFL. Arguably the exact opposite tbh.  It sounds like contact details of the BFL members haven’t been shared with FSS? Is this right? This is worrying as there’s elections for various roles (including the main board positions) due within a matter of weeks and it looks like my automatic membership of FSS isn’t in my place? What can I do about this? 

Thanks.  We're just waiting for BFL to canvass their members on FSS membership.  For GDPR reasons, BFL will ask their members if they want to opt out of FSS membership, rather than just presume everyone wants to take it up.  We need this to happen so BFL members can participate in the election.  The cut-off date is 11 February.

I'd say contact the BFL committee to chivvy it along.  I'd love to just add people, but we don't have the details and confirmation, so are a bit powerless until we get the list.

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14 minutes ago, StuartA said:

Thanks for the comments on FSS membership and marketing.  First a personal comment - I do hope we'll get our numbers up to several times where we are now, but I still don't think 330+ (and the 165 - less overlap and opt-outs from B4L) takes it well over 400 in the first 2 months of operation.  Maybe I'm unambitious but I think that's a good start.

The poster above has mentioned how we've communicated.  There has also been a couple of Falkirk Herald articles, several programme articles and stuff on the official website and social media channels.  I spoke at the AGM too.

Of course we need more and better comms, though, so I'm not for a second being defensive.  Yes to a Twitter account - we don't have that yet.  We could put out more on Facebook.  And we need to find better ways of reaching people who aren't on social media and/or rarely use the interweb.  All very fair points.

I do hope we get good people with ideas stepping up for the elections.  It's crucial we have people with the skills and enthusiasm to get this right.  There are currently 9 of us on the cttee and it can be a slog sometimes.  And don't forget we're just a steering committee to get it off the ground - it's up to the wider Bairns support what direction it goes in next.

Really welcome the debate and ideas though.

I might be stating the obvious but would a wee speech at half time at a home game be worth doing?

A facebook or twitter post will attract a few hundred views within an hour possible - many of which people will just flick passed. If you do a half time speech then you have a captive audience of 3000+ straight away.  Maybe get the FFS guys doing a wee 10 second challenge to get peoples attention and have a bit of a laugh and strategically do it during a game we are actually winning! (i know, i know...). You spoke very well at the AGM Stuart but that wasn't necessarily accessible to your average fan who only attends at 3pm on a Saturday and the speech naturally won't come across as passionately on a leaflet 

Just a thought. 

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Theres several circumstances which have impacted the number signing up, especially Covid which has kept fans away from normal routines. However take tomorrow, even with the changes Rennie has made, the majority of fans attending will probably accept anything other than a defeat as good and acceptable. 
Unfortunately that’s where we are and for me it’s very hard to accept. Mediocrity……….

Theres no connection to any of the players ( leaving out Rennies intake) as we’ve managed to assemble squad after squad of jobbers, and players not fit to wear the jersey.

Until we get a decent standard of player(s) I’ve no doubt we’ll see an uptake in stadium numbers, people signing up and a general “good feel factor” around the club.

Bloody hell it’s been so hard to watch for the past three years.
 

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38 minutes ago, StuartA said:

Thanks for the comments on FSS membership and marketing.  First a personal comment - I do hope we'll get our numbers up to several times where we are now, but I still don't think 330+ (and the 165 - less overlap and opt-outs from B4L) takes it well over 400 in the first 2 months of operation.  Maybe I'm unambitious but I think that's a good start.

The poster above has mentioned how we've communicated.  There has also been a couple of Falkirk Herald articles, several programme articles and stuff on the official website and social media channels.  I spoke at the AGM too.

Of course we need more and better comms, though, so I'm not for a second being defensive.  Yes to a Twitter account - we don't have that yet.  We could put out more on Facebook.  And we need to find better ways of reaching people who aren't on social media and/or rarely use the interweb.  All very fair points.

I do hope we get good people with ideas stepping up for the elections.  It's crucial we have people with the skills and enthusiasm to get this right.  There are currently 9 of us on the cttee and it can be a slog sometimes.  And don't forget we're just a steering committee to get it off the ground - it's up to the wider Bairns support what direction it goes in next.

Really welcome the debate and ideas though.

Try sharing your Facebook page on as many of the local gossip pages and free selling pages as possible, by doing that you can very quickly reach a lot of people, not all will be interested but it’s worth a try

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2,806*
3,545
4,043
3,518
3,250
3,525
3,514
3,365
3,258
400*
500*

*Capacity restricted due to Covid-19

I actually think attendances have held up remarkably well considering we are in the middle of our 4th disastrous season on the park. Will be interesting to see what the crowd is vs Queens Park.

In the original BTB scheme we hit 950 sign-ups in Feb 2019 after 2-3 months. We had just climbed out of the relegation places after being bottom at Christmas so there was a fairly optimistic feeling around the club generally. 

The current FSS has been going for around 2 months so to already be at 330 is pretty good given our current situation. Coming out the other side of the pandemic coupled with better performances on the park will see those numbers shoot up 

 

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, NavyBlueArmy1876 said:

2,806*
3,545
4,043
3,518
3,250
3,525
3,514
3,365
3,258
400*
500*

*Capacity restricted due to Covid-19

I actually think attendances have held up remarkably well considering we are in the middle of our 4th disastrous season on the park. Will be interesting to see what the crowd is vs Queens Park.

In the original BTB scheme we hit 950 sign-ups in Feb 2019 after 2-3 months. We had just climbed out of the relegation places after being bottom at Christmas so there was a fairly optimistic feeling around the club generally. 

The current FSS has been going for around 2 months so to already be at 330 is pretty good given our current situation. Coming out the other side of the pandemic coupled with better performances on the park will see those numbers shoot up 

 

 

 

 

We include season ticket buyers who don’t turn up in attendance figures so hard to get a true measure. This Saturday v Queens Park is a good direct like for like game - see if we can hit the 4k

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47 minutes ago, StuartA said:

Thanks for the comments on FSS membership and marketing.  First a personal comment - I do hope we'll get our numbers up to several times where we are now, but I still don't think 330+ (and the 165 - less overlap and opt-outs from B4L) takes it well over 400 in the first 2 months of operation.  Maybe I'm unambitious but I think that's a good start.

The poster above has mentioned how we've communicated.  There has also been a couple of Falkirk Herald articles, several programme articles and stuff on the official website and social media channels.  I spoke at the AGM too.

Of course we need more and better comms, though, so I'm not for a second being defensive.  Yes to a Twitter account - we don't have that yet.  We could put out more on Facebook.  And we need to find better ways of reaching people who aren't on social media and/or rarely use the interweb.  All very fair points.

I do hope we get good people with ideas stepping up for the elections.  It's crucial we have people with the skills and enthusiasm to get this right.  There are currently 9 of us on the cttee and it can be a slog sometimes.  And don't forget we're just a steering committee to get it off the ground - it's up to the wider Bairns support what direction it goes in next.

Really welcome the debate and ideas though.

Cheers Stuart - so what about my suggestion around stalls outside the stadium on match day ??

I am sure a local bank would send colleagues with iPads along to sign people up on the day ?

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On 01/02/2022 at 17:24, superandy_07 said:

https://www.falkirkfc.co.uk/2022/01/21/falkirk-fc-supporters-match-day-entry-guide/

I take it this is no longer valid since the guidance has changed to events with over 10K?

https://www.falkirkfc.co.uk/2022/02/03/how-to-watch-falkirk-v-queens-park-2/

Please note that Covid Passport and Lateral Flow Test checks will not be carried out but we do strongly encourage all fans to test before arriving at The Falkirk Stadium.

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16 minutes ago, Grangemouth Bairn said:

Cheers Stuart - so what about my suggestion around stalls outside the stadium on match day ??

I am sure a local bank would send colleagues with iPads along to sign people up on the day ?

Yeah, sorry missed that.  I think there was an idea for us to use the old Ladbrokes booth inside the stadium at one stage, then that went sideways because of COVID.  We can re-heat that.

There was also a plan to take directors and staff around the pubs, like the event we did at Behind the Goals before lockdown again.  We'll be moving that forward again.  Face to face is important.

Keep the ideas coming - we need them!

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2,806*
3,545
4,043
3,518
3,250
3,525
3,514
3,365
3,258
400*
500*
*Capacity restricted due to Covid-19
I actually think attendances have held up remarkably well considering we are in the middle of our 4th disastrous season on the park. Will be interesting to see what the crowd is vs Queens Park.
In the original BTB scheme we hit 950 sign-ups in Feb 2019 after 2-3 months. We had just climbed out of the relegation places after being bottom at Christmas so there was a fairly optimistic feeling around the club generally. 
The current FSS has been going for around 2 months so to already be at 330 is pretty good given our current situation. Coming out the other side of the pandemic coupled with better performances on the park will see those numbers shoot up 
 
 
 
 

I also wonder how many UK based are watching Falkirk TV on a Saturday? I reckon there would be more than a few of us (I include myself on occasion) who find it easier to watch on the box in comfort rather than travel (a fair distance in my case) to watch the game when the weather is terrible and the team is too…..
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1 hour ago, Kevin James Left Knee said:

I'm involved in FSS and this is my own opinion not the organisations.

There is no doubt that increases in membership follow good news stories eg Holt going led to a spate of sign ups. My guess is that many more people will join up when (if) we start winning again. There is huge disillusionment around the club - we have lost c. 500 - 750 off the gate from the start of the season.

The FSS first trench of money was paid in (£6k) and will be given to the club each quarter. There should be news soon about the B4L I hope. There are elections for the committee and the Board Members coming up and anyone who is a member by 11 Feb can vote/stand. The more people who stand for election the better - the point of FSS is to be democratic and accountable.

As for publicity - social media eg Facebook, Reddit, etc is the main outlet but we have handed out 2,000 leaflets at home games and have other printed standing orders for those who don't want to sign up online. There are regular email updates about what is happening which are sent to members and then a few days later put up on the website. If you go to https://falkirksupporters.org/#about then you can see what has been happening. Additionally if you want to join or know someone who wants to join then please send them this link: https://falkirksupporters.org/subscribe/

BfL has just handed over £31k.

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I think as well as the really good points already made there's still a trust issue to be established with the board. Not this board per se as they're inheriting the sins of their fathers.

But you could list 20 complete fuckups the boards of the last 10 years have done from incorrectly calling fans racist and threatening,  to blaming them for the dreadful standard of player they recruited, the MacKinnon tap up, Hartley's super scout, allowing vermin to work at the club in various capacities etc etc. 

The current people have made a really good start.  The more their decisions mirror those of the fans, and the more there's tangible evidence that Patron and FSS membership isnt just tokenism I think the more fans will join and pledge.

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