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By the time of the sacking of Hartley they were just throwing darts and hoping one of them hit treble 20 when they were just adding to the issue with lack of continuity the closest they got to it was when the season got prematurely ended because of Covid which I still think we would have won.I think the closing of the academy was definitely just adding to the catalogue of failures and poor decision making.

Watched Telfers pre EF interview and interestingly he sounds as if he is having a dig at the defence (rightly so) as he brings it up a few times.

Totally agree. I believe we would have went up rather than Raith, but it’s history now anyway.
I’m so frustrated that here we are still hoping to sign players. The ongoing saga that sinks us deeper and deeper into the mire. No consistency, no long term planning, and no one at the club that you feel a true affiliation with anymore.
Really, 4-5 years on if we had kept the academy we may very well have players at the club to avoid worrying about what McKay and Hall are going to do next….
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Its continuity that's costing us another squad rebuilding and being saddled with 2 jobbers on 2 and 3 yr deals (cheers for that one GH).  Justing hoping that Rennie and Miller are that bit of continuity and that we can build from that.

I would rather we took our time to get the right ones in that just sign someone for the sake of placating us lot.

No one needs to come out and say a word to how the hunts going, who we are interested in and I can see both sides of that as we could lose out to another club but the other one is folk just want something/one to talk or moan about.  End of the day we really don't need to know really and they don't need to tell us.

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You appear to have forgotten that it was Hartley and his mate that signed us a team of jobbers and for me is a very big part of why we are where we are now…….

I wasn’t suggesting that we shouldn’t have got rid of Hartley. I was replying to SD on what he deemed to be the criteria for being a successful manager,ie getting deals done
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I wasn’t suggesting that we shouldn’t have got rid of Hartley. I was replying to SD on what he deemed to be the criteria for being a successful manager,ie getting deals done

Well I guess signing a bunch of jobbers could count as “getting deals done”

But I get what you mean, however the clear distinction has already been said on here. Cove are going up to the championship next season, whilst we are seen to be stumbling from one disaster to another and getting through players like confetti.
It’s not really a difficult choice for a footballer is it?…
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usual winter transfer window. Fans speculate on a bunch of players we are interested in. Red tops read this and make it look true. Fans go ape shit when these possibly fictitious players are not signed. Great entertainment but probably all made up!

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The question related to why we got rid of Hartley. However he was the biggest problem for me because his signings and the closing of the academy sent us down and left us in a mess.
The other failed managers you mentioned couldn’t reverse the downward trend rather than create the problem in the first place imo….

The trouble with your assessment of this is that it wasn’t Hartley’s decision to initiate the Brentford model or indeed close the academy. I think I recall the guy was implementing a strategy forced on him by the Board at that time.

I think it’s strange that he’s never came out and openly explained exactly what happened and why there was such a f**k up and why his reputation was shot to bits. I’m not sure he carries the blame for our demise.
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6 hours ago, roman_bairn said:


The question related to why we got rid of Hartley. However he was the biggest problem for me because his signings and the closing of the academy sent us down and left us in a mess.
The other failed managers you mentioned couldn’t reverse the downward trend rather than create the problem in the first place imo….

For all his faults Hartley did not close the Academy. That was a Board/MSG decision. Hartley was more than happy to have an academy. 

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7 hours ago, JulioBairn said:

I know this. I said it in my first post tonight and even rhymed off half a dozen of these reasons/excuses. Which brings me back to the original point - After listening to Rennies interview on Saturday I was confident there would be signings in this week (because he said there would be). The fact these haven’t materialised is disappointing. Why is that such an issue? Surely every fan is disappointed that we’ve not made a signing as it shows something has gone wrong.

They might arrive tomorrow and they might be brilliant. If they don’t it’s been a highly disappointing week. Either way I’m not planning a boycott, starting a protest or demanding the managers head. I’m also not dressing it up as anything other than disappointing. Simple. 

No you said it was “poor all round”.

At no point in the interview does he say that there WOULD be a signing. He said he was close and confident but not over the line till it’s done. That tells me something has happened either out of his control or he wasn’t expecting. That goes back to my original point to you is what does he say? You are still to come up with an answer despite you saying there was 100 things he could say. He also talks about jobbers and there being too many coming and going before and that we would not be going down that route. Listen back to the last couple of minutes. It’s all there. 
 

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19 minutes ago, Back Post Misses said:

For all his faults Hartley did not close the Academy. That was a Board/MSG decision. Hartley was more than happy to have an academy. 

Abhorrent decision by those in charge to shutdown the Academy, the way in which the news was leaked without the coaches, the youths and parents being told was nothing short of brutal. 
 

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47 minutes ago, Back Post Misses said:

No you said it was “poor all round”.

At no point in the interview does he say that there WOULD be a signing. He said he was close and confident but not over the line till it’s done. That tells me something has happened either out of his control or he wasn’t expecting. That goes back to my original point to you is what does he say? You are still to come up with an answer despite you saying there was 100 things he could say. He also talks about jobbers and there being too many coming and going before and that we would not be going down that route. Listen back to the last couple of minutes. It’s all there. 
 

It is poor all round. Rennie alludes to signings that don’t materialise. They don’t materialise cos the BOD couldn’t get the deals done. Who’s done well there?

I repeat - I like Rennie and think he’ll do well. Credit will be given where credit is due but I’ll also continue to express my concerns when I have them. For me no signings this week would be a concern. I think that is quite obvious and I’m really not sure why you are getting your knickers in a twist about it 

Heres hoping for today tho 🤞🏼

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43 minutes ago, JulioBairn said:

It is poor all round. Rennie alludes to signings that don’t materialise. They don’t materialise cos the BOD couldn’t get the deals done. Who’s done well there?

I repeat - I like Rennie and think he’ll do well. Credit will be given where credit is due but I’ll also continue to express my concerns when I have them. For me no signings this week would be a concern. I think that is quite obvious and I’m really not sure why you are getting your knickers in a twist about it 

Heres hoping for today tho 🤞🏼

You have been losing the plot for weeks. First it was Holt not being fired in two minutes, then DGW now it is a complete over reaction to what a manager didn’t say in an interview. 

If we don’t have players at the end of the window is the time to be really concerned not now. We can sign jobbers anytime and have been for years now. 

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I really haven’t. It took a month to sack Holt and I was simply concerned it might not happen.
There was about 50 pages on DGW and I contributed about 2 posts. 
Now I’ve dared to say it’s disappointing we’ve not signed anyone this week and you seem to have taken it very personally 🤷🏼‍♂️.

Never mind eh. COYB

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I'm sure Hartley himself regrets the way he allowed things to go at Falkirk.  Should've stood up against lang and Campbell's shite. Gordon Young alluded to the fact it wasn't there idea and that all the signings being shunted up were kids who had never played first team football in their lives and we're getting bullied about the pitch in Scottish League one. Certainly didn't appear to be them who was signing the players that's for sure. Certainly noone came out of that time well just typical Falkirk that we manage to screw up a manager that has been a relative success everywhere else he's been. 

Fingers crossed for some good news today. Give the place a real lift for the game tomorrow and the big game next week

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