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17 minutes ago, JinkyBairn said:

These Falkirk TV interviews are just a waste of everyone’s time man. Club is an absolute mess and Holt is getting asked shitebag questions for him to easily step through without a fuss.

Also, the cheek to constantly go on about the team being young when you were involved with signing them at a crucial point in the season. It’s not even like they are our young players that we are developing, we are getting zero benefit out of these players. They aren’t good enough just now and they won’t be with us if they become good later.

Hopefully it’s all over come Tuesday night and some sort of purge can begin. Otherwise, this club is well and truly fucked.

He's beyond delusional tbh. You'd think this was some sort of long-term development project the way he talks. Whilst we're sitting mid-table in League 1 for God's sake. With three wins in thirteen. There were three young players in today's starting line-up - Neilson, McLelland and Fotheringham. None of them are our players, none will be here next season. So whatever it is they are meant to be learning is certainly not going to be of any benefit to us in the future.. Leitch still appears to be considered a young player but is twenty three and garbage. Deveney has started one league game, is not our player, won't be here next season, beyond pointless. Laverty and Sneddon, who are ours, have not had a second of league football this season. Not a single second.

I would not be in the slightest bit surprised if this "young team, still learning" nonsense is now their latest "policy", their newest mantra handed down from his masters in the boardroom to Holt for him to spin every time he finds himself in front of a microphone. They are now so detached from reality that they're now busy convincing themselves that, despite having the biggest playing budget, promotion from League One has to be viewed as a long-term process, some distant objective that we aim to achieve in, well, who knows, two years perhaps, or three if we get the breaks, or five. Maybe longer. That we are being outfought, outthought, outplayed by part-time teams week after week after week will be on no real concern, instead it's a minor blip on the road back to the Championship sometime in the middle of this decade. Got to keep expectations to a realistic level.

 

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9 minutes ago, Numbers_One_To_Eleven said:

Nah, Killie and St Mirren are bigger than us. Motherwell too goes without saying. I’ll have Dunfermline and Partick though as similar size.

Were your gates when last in the top flight well below those of the first three you mention?

I'd have thought they were comparable to be honest, but might well be wrong.

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24 minutes ago, Numbers_One_To_Eleven said:

Nah, Killie and St Mirren are bigger than us. Motherwell too goes without saying. I’ll have Dunfermline and Partick though as similar size.

Rubbish- our home support is bigger than Kilmarnock, St Mirren and Motherwell. 

Iirc last time we were both in the championship, Partick were averaging crowds of 2700 while we were getting over 4000.

The Rawlins even said the main reason they invested was because we had the 9th biggest support in Scotland while getting relegated from the championship.

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19 minutes ago, AGPar said:

He's beyond delusional tbh. You'd think this was some sort of long-term development project the way he talks. Whilst we're sitting mid-table in League 1 for God's sake. With three wins in thirteen. There were three young players in today's starting line-up - Neilson, McLelland and Fotheringham. None of them are our players, none will be here next season. So whatever it is they are meant to be learning is certainly not going to be of any benefit to us in the future.. Leitch still appears to be considered a young player but is twenty three and garbage. Deveney has started one league game, is not our player, won't be here next season, beyond pointless. Laverty and Sneddon, who are ours, have not had a second of league football this season. Not a single second.

I would not be in the slightest bit surprised if this "young team, still learning" nonsense is now their latest "policy", their newest mantra handed down from his masters in the boardroom to Holt for him to spin every time he finds himself in front of a microphone. They are now so detached from reality that they're now busy convincing themselves that, despite having the biggest playing budget, promotion from League One has to be viewed as a long-term process, some distant objective that we aim to achieve in, well, who knows, two years perhaps, or three if we get the breaks, or five. Maybe longer. That we are being outfought, outthought, outplayed by part-time teams week after week after week will be on no real concern, instead it's a minor blip on the road back to the Championship sometime in the middle of this decade. Got to keep expectations to a realistic level.

 

I can add to this by referring to that interview he did with Ian Fergus. He was talking about equipping young players in life who don’t make the grade. That sort of thing is surely big league stuff, not a barely middling club like Falkirk. Yes, there’s a way  about going about things but it’s just excessive. I probably wouldn’t have brought this up but, as you said about the “they’re learning” comments, it doesn’t even add up when you consider the current crop of young players currently in our playing squad. 
 

Thing is, he says it with conviction. You couldn’t mark his neck with a blowtorch.

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6 minutes ago, PedroMoutinho said:

Rubbish- our home support is bigger than Kilmarnock, St Mirren and Motherwell. 

Iirc last time we were both in the championship, Partick were averaging crowds of 2700 while we were getting over 4000.

This is where I start to maybe side with the yflabs of this world. It’s not just crowds is it? What about revenue, stadium, honours, general league history etc??

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11 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Were your gates when last in the top flight well below those of the first three you mention?

I'd have thought they were comparable to be honest, but might well be wrong.

Falkirk was in the 5-6k average gate when last in the Premiership. Going from the last 20 years or so that there is decent data for, the Premiership attendance figures work out to about:

Top level (40-60k) - Celtic and Rangers

Second level (10-20k)- Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibernian  

Third level (6-9k) - Dundee and Dundee United

Fourth level (4-5k) - Dunfermline, Falkirk, ICT, Kilmarnock, Motherwell, Partick, Raith, Ross County, St. Johnstone, St. Mirren

Fifth level (2-3k) - Hamilton, Livingstone

 

That puts Falkirk in the top 17 clubs, generally speaking, but is based upon a moving target. The higher the league, the higher the attendance. Dropping to the Championship seems to cost 1.5 to 2.5k in attendance...the higher end kicking in after a year or two.

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17 minutes ago, PedroMoutinho said:

Rubbish- our home support is bigger than Kilmarnock, St Mirren and Motherwell. 

Iirc last time we were both in the championship, Partick were averaging crowds of 2700 while we were getting over 4000.

The Rawlins even said the main reason they invested was because we had the 9th biggest support in Scotland while getting relegated from the championship.

And the last time you were in the Premiership you were getting about 1,000 more fans...about 20% more on average. Attendance is an inherently moving target, but you can safely claim to be top 15.

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11 minutes ago, TxRover said:

Falkirk was in the 5-6k average gate when last in the Premiership. Going from the last 20 years or so that there is decent data for, the Premiership attendance figures work out to about:

Top level (40-60k) - Celtic and Rangers

Second level (10-20k)- Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibernian  

Third level (6-9k) - Dundee and Dundee United

Fourth level (4-5k) - Dunfermline, Falkirk, ICT, Kilmarnock, Motherwell, Partick, Raith, Ross County, St. Johnstone, St. Mirren

Fifth level (2-3k) - Hamilton, Livingstone

 

That puts Falkirk in the top 17 clubs, generally speaking, but is based upon a moving target. The higher the league, the higher the attendance. Dropping to the Championship seems to cost 1.5 to 2.5k in attendance...the higher end kicking in after a year or two.

I would actually say the opposite is true for us in the championship. Attendances held steady out first season down, fell off a cliff under Steven Presley, picked back up under Peter Houston and then increased quite a bit after the cup final in 2015 to the point where we took 4500 to Kilmarnock for the play off final (which I don’t think many clubs in Scotland could do).

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Why are people still replying to this yflab clown? BAMO (block and move on) 

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I’ll exempt the three loan youngsters from today and the recent run of form. Quite simply, they shouldn’t have been signed, and shouldn’t be required to be starting, with the lack of experience they have. 

We clearly don’t have players with the same or better skill, pace or ability than those teams who have defeated us recently. M&M signings have been dreadful.

Anyone trying to build a team it  has to have a spine, Keeper, Centre Half,  Centre Midfield, Centre Forward, then develop the rest from there. We are spineless in more ways than one.

As for Holt, in the managers seat or his proper role, I’ve no confidence in him being right for the job, in actual fact I don’t think we need a D of F  in Div 1

I’ve supported Falkirk for over 50 years, currently buy four season tickets a season, bought hospitality and sponsorship personally and through the company for years, but enough is enough. No more until we get a manager and players  who are worldly wise and can actually play the game.

The Chairman has gone very quiet whilst this free fall has been going on, and his other Merry men on the board are a bunch of faceless wonders, what do they even do ?

When times were normal and crowds were in the one who also an employee  is more interested in keeping up to date with how Celtic are getting on, on his mobile phone than watching what’s happening to our team on the pitch in front of him, says it all really.

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, NUMBER 7 said:

I’ll exempt the three loan youngsters from today and the recent run of form. Quite simply, they shouldn’t have been signed, and shouldn’t be required to be starting, with the lack of experience they have. 

We clearly don’t have players with the same or better skill, pace or ability than those teams who have defeated us recently. M&M signings have been dreadful.

Anyone trying to build a team it  has to have a spine, Keeper, Centre Half,  Centre Midfield, Centre Forward, then develop the rest from there. We are spineless in more ways than one.

As for Holt, in the managers seat or his proper role, I’ve no confidence in him being right for the job, in actual fact I don’t think we need a D of F  in Div 1

I’ve supported Falkirk for over 50 years, currently buy four season tickets a season, bought hospitality and sponsorship personally and through the company for years, but enough is enough. No more until we get a manager and players  who are worldly wise and can actually play the game.

The Chairman has gone very quiet whilst this far fall has been going on, and his other Merry men on the board are a bunch of faceless wonders, what do they even do ?

When times were normal and crowds were in the one who also an employee  is more interested in keeping up to date with how Celtic are getting on, on his mobile phone than watching what’s happening to our team on the pitch in front of him, says it all really.

 

 

 

 

We all have to think along the same lines and keep our ST money, don't buy merchandise, don't buy 50/50's. 

I'm the same 47 years watching them, I love this club and always will but enough is enough we have to try and force change.

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The wheels have come off this season. However, it’s still relatively new territory for us. There probably isn’t part-time football looming so we still have an expectation of getting out this league (up the way) sooner rather than later. Being a new Airdrie (Clyde is another story) does still seem a good way off but then, it could sneak up on us as we’ve become resigned on this page in 2025. Or, we could be like Dunfermline and get our act together in one season and enjoy the more  familiar surroundings of the Championship.

I was going to say we’re at a crossroads but it’s not as dramatic as that yet, it’ll either be we'll get our act together or play the waiting game until part-time football is here.

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Can't believe I've just read a crowd w**k today of all days on this thread. Some of you boys actually live up to the caricatures.

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I honestly thought we did ok at points yesterday in the first half, it was just the final ball lacking.

However the defence was shocking again and cost us the game.

Is there any word on the injured players? Or have they all walked? They dont seem to ask any questions on falkirk tv about them.

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Is it just me or does anyone else wish Falkirk TV on YouTube had the balls to accept comments on the post

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25 minutes ago, BudBairn said:

I honestly thought we did ok at points yesterday in the first half, it was just the final ball lacking.

However the defence was shocking again and cost us the game.

Is there any word on the injured players? Or have they all walked? They dont seem to ask any questions on falkirk tv about them.

I agree with this. The two centre halves were brutal but I give them leeway due to their age and inexperience.  Holt was right I felt we should have had two penalties and whilst it’s the letter of the law the free kick being disallowed why couldn’t the referee tell Keena to move or any goal would be disallowed before the kick was taken rather than be the big man. 

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