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1 hour ago, ebobsboy said:

Tbh I don't think many  of our current squad are good enough to. But M&M will no doubt rectify that by giving out new deals like confetti if we manage to limp over the line.

Don't think Holt will let them.

Not entirely sure who's out of contract but I would imagine that Durnan, Telfer, Todd and Sammon will be away. Leitch, Mercer, Laverty and Francis as well if their deals are up or if we can move them on.

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3 minutes ago, ShaggerG said:

We are where we are. I've seen us a lot worse in the 50 odd years that I've supported my club, might yet see worse but I'm sure I'll see better in time. I'd hazard a guess that you've only been watching us in the relatively recent past and have been spoiled by cup finals and play offs.

If you let the constant negativity get to you it'll spiral and you'll end up as a very sad lad. We've got to look forward with confidence or we could end up as an Airdrie or Clyde and none of us want that now do we...

I'm 38. Up until two seasons ago there had been two worse squads in my lifetime - the 'relegation' season, when we had the mitigating circumstances of being financially fucked and having to play kids, and the Ochilview season, where we had the mitigating circumstances of not knowing what league we were going to be playing and so couldn't properly prepare.

The squad under McKinnon was the worst squad we've ever had as it had no mitigating circumstances that could excuse it. The squad this season is marginally better, but just marginally.

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38 minutes ago, Gaz said:

I'm 38. Up until two seasons ago there had been two worse squads in my lifetime - the 'relegation' season, when we had the mitigating circumstances of being financially fucked and having to play kids, and the Ochilview season, where we had the mitigating circumstances of not knowing what league we were going to be playing and so couldn't properly prepare.

The squad under McKinnon was the worst squad we've ever had as it had no mitigating circumstances that could excuse it. The squad this season is marginally better, but just marginally.

Yep, not disagreeing but, as I say, I've seen worse. We've a long road ahead but hopefully with the boardroom changes, Holt coming in and the Rawlins' involvement we can start to look forward. I have a feeling that M&M will get bumped whether we win the league or not though.

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1 hour ago, ShaggerG said:

Stop talking pish Shadwell. I was talking about Arbroath and you know it.

Hindsight has everything to do with it. He's only really had a good scoring record since arriving at EF, how the f**k can you be suggesting that we should have signed him based on his record before that?

Ok, so we should only sign players that we know are going to be successful even when they haven't shown much so far? The signing of any player is a gamble, absolutely no-one can guarantee a positive outcome but that seems to be what you're looking for.

I'm sure he did know all about him. How do you know we didn't try to sign him? For all we know, maybe they don't get on, maybe he hates Falkirk, maybe he doesn't like the negativity that comes from some of our fans, maybe Martindale wouldn't let him come? 

You're speculating about the wages thing, but that's fine, you may well be right. It may well be the case that they could pay more than us at the moment too.

You can come back with the last word Shadwell as I think that your heart is actually in the right place unlike some posters who seem to be jumping on the negativity bandwagon at the moment. This place is so unbelievably negative nowadays that I can't be arsed with it. f**k knows what it would have been like if we'd been bottom of the league, not top!

As I said when your talking about young players you don't go on previous records. You watch the player every chance you get , you ask the people he works with about him.  Yes not every deal works out but our record is simply appalling. Apart from.zak rudden I can't remember the last decent young player we had on loan and we've had agood number of them.  Should we not be asking the question of why we keep missing out on these players and instead sign duds?  Only if we fix the issues in our recruitment will we ever start moving in the right direction. Until then we will continue to struggle.

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1 hour ago, badgerthewitness said:

Is our recruitment process at fault, or our inability to improve/motivate players once they sign?

Bit of both, our recruitment has been very poor but the players we have are still good enough to win this league. If we didn't have rotten managers the players would play more like a full-time team. 

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23 minutes ago, ShaggerG said:

We are where we are. I've seen us a lot worse in the 50 odd years that I've supported my club, might yet see worse but I'm sure I'll see better in time. I'd hazard a guess that you've only been watching us in the relatively recent past and have been spoiled by cup finals and play offs.

If you let the constant negativity get to you it'll spiral and you'll end up as a very sad lad. We've got to look forward with confidence or we could end up as an Airdrie or Clyde and none of us want that now do we...

33 years of following my club everywhere, so not convinced that puts me in the relatively recent past bracket. Nonetheless, just because you’ve seen us a lot worse 50 odd years ago doesn’t mean we should all accept mediocrity now. Shrugging the shoulders and saying “we are where we are” is largely why we’ve been out of the top flight for eleven years and counting. Heads should roll.

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55 minutes ago, ShaggerG said:

We are where we are. I've seen us a lot worse in the 50 odd years that I've supported my club, might yet see worse but I'm sure I'll see better in time. I'd hazard a guess that you've only been watching us in the relatively recent past and have been spoiled by cup finals and play offs.

If you let the constant negativity get to you it'll spiral and you'll end up as a very sad lad. We've got to look forward with confidence or we could end up as an Airdrie or Clyde and none of us want that now do we...

We seem to be of a similar vintage, curious as to when we were a lot worse.

The Centenary season debacle could be argued but even when we were last at this level at the end of the 70’s I think we were a better team.

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51 minutes ago, ShaggerG said:

Not entirely sure who's out of contract but I would imagine that Durnan, Telfer, Todd and Sammon will be away.

Around 2/3 of the current squad will be out of contract. 

Exceptions being Morrison, Dowds, Alston, Keena, Miller, Mutch & Sneddon.

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43 minutes ago, Reggie Perrin said:

We seem to be of a similar vintage, curious as to when we were a lot worse.

The Centenary season debacle could be argued but even when we were last at this level at the end of the 70’s I think we were a better team.

Ach, you're not wrong TBF. We are certainly at a very low ebb at the moment, no doubt about that. I get frustrated at the constant whining and negativity on here though and I've let it get to me. Ok, there's Shadwell who knows best about everything and moans continually but he's always been like that, but there are a few more who I think may be refugees from OneF and it just all gets on my tits. I think I'll probably take a wee break.

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38 minutes ago, Bainsfordbairn said:

Around 2/3 of the current squad will be out of contract. 

Exceptions being Morrison, Dowds, Alston, Keena, Miller, Mutch & Sneddon.

Cheers.

We'll need a squad and I think most of those would either get a 1st team place or could be used as back-up. I'd keep wee Connolly too. 

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52 minutes ago, MSG GTF! said:

33 years of following my club everywhere, so not convinced that puts me in the relatively recent past bracket. Nonetheless, just because you’ve seen us a lot worse 50 odd years ago doesn’t mean we should all accept mediocrity now. Shrugging the shoulders and saying “we are where we are” is largely why we’ve been out of the top flight for eleven years and counting. Heads should roll.

There’s not one fan that doesn’t want the best for our club. Massive mistakes are part and parcel for most football clubs, unfortunately we’ve had so many Fck ups it’s very difficult to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

For me there’s a real change, a new board, and new investment and a DOF which we’ve been crying out for. Let’s hope we can get the green light to continue playing and I’m sure we can wrap the league - half glass full, cheers 
 

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Ach, you're not wrong TBF. We are certainly at a very low ebb at the moment, no doubt about that. I get frustrated at the constant whining and negativity on here though and I've let it get to me. Ok, there's Shadwell who knows best about everything and moans continually but he's always been like that, but there are a few more who I think may be refugees from OneF and it just all gets on my tits. I think I'll probably take a wee break.

Spot on.
Most of this squad would be moved on if we get promoted. M and M will too if they don’t start to impress which is fair enough. Time will tell.
Reality is we have a team of players from the lower reaches of the Championship, supplemented by players from the division we are in. That should be good enough to get us up, but any expectation of silky football with an average Championship squad playing against part time teams, or Liverpoolesque dominance of this league are totally misguided.
The main issue has been the last three performances in particular, but it was only a few weeks before we went from 4 points off the top to 6 points clear.
It’s reasonable to be concerned but we are hardly out of contention.
Just wish some posters would get a sense of realism and get behind the club rather than castigating it at every opportunity.....

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54 minutes ago, roman_bairn said:


Spot on.
Most of this squad would be moved on if we get promoted. M and M will too if they don’t start to impress which is fair enough. Time will tell.
Reality is we have a team of players from the lower reaches of the Championship, supplemented by players from the division we are in. That should be good enough to get us up, but any expectation of silky football with an average Championship squad playing against part time teams, or Liverpoolesque dominance of this league are totally misguided.
The main issue has been the last three performances in particular, but it was only a few weeks before we went from 4 points off the top to 6 points clear.
It’s reasonable to be concerned but we are hardly out of contention.
Just wish some posters would get a sense of realism and get behind the club rather than castigating it at every opportunity.....

Spot on 

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1 hour ago, Bainsfordbairn said:

Around 2/3 of the current squad will be out of contract. 

Exceptions being Morrison, Dowds, Alston, Keena, Miller, Mutch & Sneddon.

Morrison, Keena and Mutch you'd keep, G Miller is very nearly done, Alston looks like a shadow of the player he once was, Dowds just looks like a punt that isn't working  and Sneddon  hasn't had a sniff

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50 minutes ago, ebobsboy said:

Morrison, Keena and Mutch you'd keep, G Miller is very nearly done, Alston looks like a shadow of the player he once was, Dowds just looks like a punt that isn't working  and Sneddon  hasn't had a sniff

As much as it sounds daft, some players don’t suit the lower leagues. You think them moving down leagues that they’ll be superstars and it’s not always the case. Look at Tidser for example, he was Morton’s best player and a very capable championship player. He then moves to us and looked totally out his depth. Same is starting to happen to Alston. It wouldn’t surprise me to see him play better in the Championship should we get there. 

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3 hours ago, CC52 FFC said:

As much as it sounds daft, some players don’t suit the lower leagues. You think them moving down leagues that they’ll be superstars and it’s not always the case. Look at Tidser for example, he was Morton’s best player and a very capable championship player. He then moves to us and looked totally out his depth. Same is starting to happen to Alston. It wouldn’t surprise me to see him play better in the Championship should we get there. 

I just want to get back to watching football again on a Saturday . Let’s face it it would be great to be in the premiership and we will achieve that one day I’m sure . In the interim we just need to enjoy playing whoever irrespective of how shore we are . Yes we have our problems and they have been well documented on here but like Roman Bairn said we are all pissed  of with the negative stuff—  let’s just get back to playing  fitba  and supporting the team . 

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Is our recruitment process at fault, or our inability to improve/motivate players once they sign?


Recruitment is the key thing always. Ours has been awful since the January window where Baird and Kerr signed.

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Our longest time ever in our history out of the top flight.

We still sadly have two major shareholders with big influence and they have been pulling the strings since we got relegated in 2010. Won’t change massively IMO until that strangle hold is broken

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35 minutes ago, Back Post Misses said:

Our longest time ever in our history out of the top flight.

We still sadly have two major shareholders with big influence and they have been pulling the strings since we got relegated in 2010. Won’t change massively IMO until that strangle hold is broken

This^^^

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5 minutes ago, AGPar said:

You keep saying this. Who was crying out for it? On whose behalf are you speaking? In the current economic climate, and whilst we are troughing about in League One and paying out two managerial salaries, I certainly wasn't. A competent manager with a reasonable eye for recruitment should be more than enough to get us out of this league. Time will tell how this shakes out but there's a real danger that we have created a too many chiefs type scenario. 

And whilst those major shareholders who have overseen a lost decade remain very much on the scene, I won't be sharing your view that this is somehow the start of a new era. That will be only be the case when they bugger off, which they clearly have no intention of ever doing. 

So you’re going to never have any kind of positive outlook until their shareholding has changed? 
 

Sounds grim pal, but up to you and all that. Enjoy being miserable for a few years for you yet till they die off (or will you hold this view against their children too if they were to inherit the shares?)

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