The Falkirk FC Thread

[Shadwell Dog 3,461]

2 minutes ago, Grant228 said:

Absolutely no club is covering the cost of there wages by the streaming sales. 

Season tickets will have done that. The problem is if they end the lower leagues now clubs could stand to lose a lot of dough in refunds which could put them on the brink.

Edited January 12 by Shadwell Dog

[Shadwell Dog 3,461]

14 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

 

Yes

I presume there must be a certain amount of time that an employee has to have been at the business though before they can be furloughed. I mean we couldn't sign players this month and stick them straight on furlough for instance.

 

Anyone know what the score is with the transfer window? I presume this will be extended indefinitely for the lower leagues at least till we know when clubs will be back playing?

Edited January 12 by Shadwell Dog

[AL-FFC 1,723]

1 hour ago, RandomGuy. said:

The lower two tiers only started because clubs were able to play without weekly testing. 

Would you have preferred it if 17 League 1/2 sides had said they couldn't play through the season and you'd been forcibly mothballed for this season? 

Unless youre away to claim it would be fairer to just promote Falkirk for no other reason than them being a full time club of course. I bet you genuinely believe Falkirk and Partick should take Alloa and Arbroaths Championship places this season.

And the championship was allowed to start because teams said they could survive without gate money. Clubs were given the chance to hibernate for a season. 

[Dawson Park Boy 230]

9 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:

I presume there must be a certain amount of time that an employee has to have been at the business though before they can be furloughed. I mean we couldn't sign players this month and stick them straight on furlough for instance.

 

Anyone know what the score is with the transfer window? I presume this will be extended indefinitely for the lower leagues at least till we know when clubs will be back playing?

Furlough relates to people employed  on the date we were closed down.

I see also that the SG have announced a further grant of £9000 for leisure businesses that are closed.

i imagine FFC will qualify or at least part thereof for the period we’re closed.

[badgerthewitness 2,509]

Does anyone have any evidence to back up the 'part-time players spread covid' rhetoric, or is just classist demonising by Doncaster & co?

I'd imagine your average part-timer has more to lose, and is therefore more vigilant, than your average Premiership Insta-hero jobber.

[AL-FFC 1,723]

5 minutes ago, badgerthewitness said:

Does anyone have any evidence to back up the 'part-time players spread covid' rhetoric, or is just classist demonising by Doncaster & co?

I'd imagine your average part-timer has more to lose, and is therefore more vigilant, than your average Premiership Insta-hero jobber.

Stenny chairman asked for evidence they couldn’t provide any, I doubt if there was any study done at all on it.

[Shadwell Dog 3,461]

6 minutes ago, AL-FFC said:

Stenny chairman asked for evidence they couldn’t provide any, I doubt if there was any study done at all on it.

Spfl just take the easy way out every time.

[Bantabairn 823]

3 minutes ago, AL-FFC said:

Stenny chairman asked for evidence they couldn’t provide any, I doubt if there was any study done at all on it.

We should all know by now that these corrupt abhorrent people just make it up they see fit. Would love to see a legal fight against the latest imposed restriction, but out the two divisions penalised youd do well to get more than two or three teams to fight it. 

[Bantabairn 823]

Just now, Bantabairn said:

We should all know by now that these corrupt abhorrent people just make it up they see fit. Would love to see a legal fight against the latest imposed restriction, but out the two divisions penalised youd do well to get more than two or three teams to fight it. (Or any)

 

[Grant228 2,987]

1 hour ago, Shadwell Dog said:

Season tickets will have done that. The problem is if they end the lower leagues now clubs could stand to lose a lot of dough in refunds which could put them on the brink.

No they won't have. 

[Cowden Cowboy 812]

1 hour ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Furlough relates to people employed  on the date we were closed down.

I see also that the SG have announced a further grant of £9000 for leisure businesses that are closed.

i imagine FFC will qualify or at least part thereof for the period we’re closed.

It's not as simple as that for qualifying for Furlough - rules include : You can only claim for furloughed employees that were employed and on payroll on 30 October 2020. This means you must have made a PAYE RTI submission to HMRC between 20 March 2020 and 30 October 2020, notifying a payment of earnings for that employee.

Thus if you brought in any new players in current window you cant get furlough payments for them

[Cowden Cowboy 812]

1 hour ago, AL-FFC said:

And the championship was allowed to start because teams said they could survive without gate money. Clubs were given the chance to hibernate for a season. 

Not true -  clubs in Championship/L1/L2 were asked to commit to playing a season and deciding how many games would constitute said season.  They could hibernate but that would likely have meant demotion for most of them when they restarted.  With that in mind and with the prevailing views/wisdom in the game being that full testing would not be required at these levels and that crowds would return in a few months, clubs went ahead. 

[AndyDD 596]

1 hour ago, badgerthewitness said:

Does anyone have any evidence to back up the 'part-time players spread covid' rhetoric, or is just classist demonising by Doncaster & co?

I'd imagine your average part-timer has more to lose, and is therefore more vigilant, than your average Premiership Insta-hero jobber.

They are inarguably more vulnerable to exposure, by dint of their part time nature. The vast majority will have other jobs, many of which will not be doable from home, meaning they are still going to workplaces or sites and then training and playing. Full time players obviously don't have the same level of potential exposure woven into their day to day lives as part time footballers do. 

 

[Grangemouth Bairn 3,569]

2 hours ago, RandomGuy. said:

I'm married m8, not quite sure what relevance that has though.

I think he meant because you’ve had time to post nearly 50,000 times

[badgerthewitness 2,509]

6 minutes ago, AndyDD said:

They are inarguably more vulnerable to exposure, by dint of their part time nature. The vast majority will have other jobs, many of which will not be doable from home, meaning they are still going to workplaces or sites and then training and playing. Full time players obviously don't have the same level of potential exposure woven into their day to day lives as part time footballers do. 

 

No evidence, then.

[Dawson Park Boy 230]

18 minutes ago, Cowden Cowboy said:

It's not as simple as that for qualifying for Furlough - rules include : You can only claim for furloughed employees that were employed and on payroll on 30 October 2020. This means you must have made a PAYE RTI submission to HMRC between 20 March 2020 and 30 October 2020, notifying a payment of earnings for that employee.

Thus if you brought in any new players in current window you cant get furlough payments for them

Yes, you are correct.

The window wasn’t open in December therefore doesn’t apply in practice.

[AndyDD 596]

Just now, badgerthewitness said:

No evidence, then.

Without regular testing, it would be impossible to gather evidence. 

It is a simple fact, though, that part time players are at more risk of exposure than full time players. If you are at more risk of exposure, you are at more risk of spread. 

 

[roman_bairn 2,518]

Without regular testing, it would be impossible to gather evidence. 
It is a simple fact, though, that part time players are at more risk of exposure than full time players. If you are at more risk of exposure, you are at more risk of spread. 
 

I wouldn’t disagree that there are players in our division that have COVID, nor that it’s not been reported.
There’s an argument that players are more exposed but there’s also a counter argument that they are likely to be more vigilant than full time players as a consequence of their situation.
I’m not certain the numbers in the lower divisions will be that much higher but it’s difficult to be sure without testing....

[badgerthewitness 2,509]

2 minutes ago, AndyDD said:

Without regular testing, it would be impossible to gather evidence. 

It is a simple fact, though, that part time players are at more risk of exposure than full time players. If you are at more risk of exposure, you are at more risk of spread. 

 

I have no desire to engage in a drawn-out discussion but it isn't "a simple fact". There are too many factors to consider and numerous documented examples of F/T players breaching protocol.

[craigkillie 13,697]

23 hours ago, Shadwell Dog said:

No that's because the govt suspended all professional sport. They didn't have a choice. That hasn't happened at this time.

The SFA chose to suspend all football back in March. At the time, the Scottish government were quite happy to go ahead with an Old Firm match with 50,000 people present.