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The only way out of this mess is to get everyone vaccinated, especially NHS staff, the old and vulnerable.

Once that is done it doesn’t really matter about the young and fit as the folks they can contaminate will have had the jab.

After that, there is nothing more the state can do and just like seasonal flu everyone just needs to ‘take their chances’.

To that end the roll- out programme needs to be dramatically expanded. 163000 to date is just pitiful out of 560000 available. Like Israel we should be doing this on a 24/7 military basis. I don’t know any folks in my age group who have heard anything yet most of our friends down south have had their first jab. Maybe somebody can tell me otherwise regarding their parents, relatives?

Well, that’s how I see it. Will certainly miss the football even though it’s crap.

Just need to step up online bridge matches. 

 

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1 minute ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

The only way out of this mess is to get everyone vaccinated, especially NHS staff, the old and vulnerable.

Once that is done it doesn’t really matter about the young and fit as the folks they can contaminate will have had the jab.

After that, there is nothing more the state can do and just like seasonal flu everyone just needs to ‘take their chances’.

To that end the roll- out programme needs to be dramatically expanded. 163000 to date is just pitiful out of 560000 available. Like Israel we should be doing this on a 24/7 military basis. I don’t know any folks in my age group who have heard anything yet most of our friends down south have had their first jab. Maybe somebody can tell me otherwise regarding their parents, relatives?

Well, that’s how I see it. Will certainly miss the football even though it’s crap.

Just need to step up online bridge matches. 

 

Just because there is a vaccine doesn’t mean to say things will go back to the way they were. People will still catch it,. The day to day we have just now is/will be the new norm.

 

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8 minutes ago, AL-FFC said:

Just because there is a vaccine doesn’t mean to say things will go back to the way they were. People will still catch it,. The day to day we have just now is/will be the new norm.

 

Don’t agree.

Yes, people will catch it but it’ll be at a manageable level.

There is no way the general population will agree to living their lives like this on a permanent basis.

Human beings are sociable creatures and being cooped up, muzzled and kept apart reduces us to no more than zombies.

Life is full of risk - Covid will just join cancer,MND, Parkinson’s, bad seasonal flu, premature death you name it.

Maybe we just need to accept a higher death rate? All part of the rich tapestry of life.

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Theres a covid thread for exactly this type of discussion. Its fucki g massive and theres lots of people to play with.

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1 hour ago, Shadwell Dog said:

League one and league two weren't even asked as confirmed by the stenhousemuir chairman.

That's because 90% of them are part time and cannot guarantee they wouldn't be breaching the "football bubble" every day, while 90% of the top two tiers can.

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17 minutes ago, badgerthewitness said:

When can we expect the first round of test results for Championship clubs? 

It will be closed down approximately 10 minutes after the results are in!

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20 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

That's because 90% of them are part time and cannot guarantee they wouldn't be breaching the "football bubble" every day, while 90% of the top two tiers can.

They also asked all clubs if they could complete the season without any crowds for income and all the clubs said yes but we didn’t get through December without Morton ( championship) asking for a handout  so that as they can’t sustain the club financially for the season and on your argument about the top tiers guaranteeing breaching the football bubble I think we can all agree that is out the window as you only have to look at Celtic and Aberdeen of 2 examples of breaching it.

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36 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

That's because 90% of them are part time and cannot guarantee they wouldn't be breaching the "football bubble" every day, while 90% of the top two tiers can.

If Arbroath and Alloa were allowed to continue under certain restrictions then clubs in league one and two should've been given that option too.  The fact that these clubs knew nothing about it until the press release was handed out is just typical of how the spfl do their business. 

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You absolutely know that you can completely disregard everything else someone says as soon as they use the word, “muzzled”.

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6 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said:

You absolutely know that you can completely disregard everything else someone says as soon as they use the word, “muzzled”.

I thought this with my vet but now they've taken my dog away :(

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1 hour ago, AL-FFC said:

They also asked all clubs if they could complete the season without any crowds for income and all the clubs said yes but we didn’t get through December without Morton ( championship) asking for a handout  so that as they can’t sustain the club financially for the season and on your argument about the top tiers guaranteeing breaching the football bubble I think we can all agree that is out the window as you only have to look at Celtic and Aberdeen of 2 examples of breaching it.

The minimum requirements to continue playing should've been decided by the govt in discussion with the SFA. These requirements should then have been sent out to all clubs asking who could meet them and who can't. You then take it from there. If clubs in a league are not willing or unable to meet these requirements then the league has to stop but at least find out who can and can't instead of just a blanket ban from the championship down with no discussion at all.

There is also absolutely no reason why clubs shouldn't be able to continue training if willing to meet a weekly testing regime for the next few weeks.  That would at least prevent the need for the season to be held up once the go ahead to continue is given again.

 

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2 hours ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

The only way out of this mess is to get everyone vaccinated, especially NHS staff, the old and vulnerable.

Once that is done it doesn’t really matter about the young and fit as the folks they can contaminate will have had the jab.

After that, there is nothing more the state can do and just like seasonal flu everyone just needs to ‘take their chances’.

To that end the roll- out programme needs to be dramatically expanded. 163000 to date is just pitiful out of 560000 available. Like Israel we should be doing this on a 24/7 military basis. I don’t know any folks in my age group who have heard anything yet most of our friends down south have had their first jab. Maybe somebody can tell me otherwise regarding their parents, relatives?

Well, that’s how I see it. Will certainly miss the football even though it’s crap.

Just need to step up online bridge matches. 

 

Aye, as vaccinations increase restrictions should slowly be lifted (hopefully) as the strain on the NHS should ease.

The problem with the new strain though is that, as we know, it's spreading more quickly but is also affecting the younger generation to a much greater effect. I think part of the problem with people not following the rules is that most didn't know anybody that had caught it so it was something that 'wouldn't happen to them'. Personally, I knew of a couple of people that had it, were ill, but survived and are fine. However, since the easing of restrictions over the holidays, I now know of 10 people in my wider family who have it, all are under 60, 2 of them early fifties with the rest 20's or 30's. One of them is very ill in hospital, another phoned for an ambulance but was told the symptoms weren't severe enough yet (couldn't breath and had nothing to eat for days) and another very ill at home. The ambulance took nine hours to turn up to take the hospitalised one in!

There is no doubt that the young are now entering the 'vulnerable' group at a much greater rate and the thing is running riot! The NHS simply can't cope and we need to go full lock down NOW or we're going to have folk suffering in hospital car parks!

I really couldn't give a f**k whether Falkirk are promoted as champions or the season's null and void, ALL football should be stopped right now IMO!

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There is no doubt that the young are now entering the 'vulnerable' group at a much greater rate and the thing is running riot! The NHS simply can't cope and we need to go full lock down NOW or we're going to have folk suffering in hospital car parks!

Whilst not wanting to take anything away from the sentiment of your email, I don’t believe this to be correct.
More young people are being admitted as there are more cases as the new stain is more infectious. However I don’t think there is any evidence that it’s more virulent or infecting a higher proportion of younger people....

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1 minute ago, roman_bairn said:


Whilst not wanting to take anything away from the sentiment of your email, I don’t believe this to be correct.
More young people are being admitted as there are more cases as the new stain is more infectious. However I don’t think there is any evidence that it’s more virulent or infecting a higher proportion of younger people....

Yea, that's why I put vulnerable in inverted commas. I probably didn't explain myself very well. 

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1 hour ago, Shadwell Dog said:

The minimum requirements to continue playing should've been decided by the govt in discussion with the SFA. These requirements should then have been sent out to all clubs asking who could meet them and who can't. You then take it from there. If clubs in a league are not willing or unable to meet these requirements then the league has to stop but at least find out who can and can't instead of just a blanket ban from the championship down with no discussion at all.

There is also absolutely no reason why clubs shouldn't be able to continue training if willing to meet a weekly testing regime for the next few weeks.  That would at least prevent the need for the season to be held up once the go ahead to continue is given again.

 

Our governing bodies are/have been an utter disgrace since the start of this Pandemic. Bent and twisted to the core and in the last twenty four hours for the division 1&2 clubs to hear the latest bombshell through social media/press release, shows an abhorrent disgraceful attitude to these clubs. 

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2 hours ago, Ecosse83 said:

It will be closed down approximately 10 minutes after the results are in!

I await Morton v Dunfermline on Friday to see who is missing, that's if they are testing, wouldn't surprise me if they did a week turnaround like they do.

The game also could be off due to positive cases which would be the first lick to the stamp to suspend the championship.

 

 

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Knew this would get the holier than thou, zero riskers out in force. 
Everything we do in life comes with a risk. We evaluate these risks to weigh up whether an action is worth doing or not. There has been little to no evidence that playing football outdoors causes ANY increase in transmission. Very, very strict protocols in place which I know falkirk are following extremely seriously - no car shares, different changing room spaces etc. On the other hand, football is a lifeline to a huge number of people. Warnock said it best midweek. Turn on the news, and it’s death and horribleness wherever you look. Sport provides a brilliant escape from this and is arguably necessary.
Short sighted? Definitely. Have they learnt nothing in 10 months? NOTHING will improve in 3 weeks time. Suspending the Scottish cup as well, so there’s an impossible fixture backlog? Good one lads .
I thought James Anderson granted each club money at the start of the season to test? Has that been spunked up the wall by everyone else too? I can just about understand wanting the league to be stopped until testing was in place. But an outright postponement? I do not think that is the correct decision. 
 
The money from James Anderson was used to improve infrastructure around the ground and make is safer on a daily basis. What do you think the money at falkirk would have been used for. The very same social distancing measures you talk of. This was on the cards for several weeks feel. The distribution of the government money was clearly for this scenario to take place. All football under the top flight should be cancelled. Alloa and arbroath are mainly part time. Just finish the top league and have reconstruction for next year, bringing in the lowland league and Highland clubs as should have happened this season.

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14 minutes ago, roman_bairn said:


Whilst not wanting to take anything away from the sentiment of your email, I don’t believe this to be correct.
More young people are being admitted as there are more cases as the new stain is more infectious. However I don’t think there is any evidence that it’s more virulent or infecting a higher proportion of younger people....

Yes - average death age is still well into the 80’s and total UK deaths in under 60’s is still only around 400.

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