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2 hours ago, Reggie Perrin said:

Problem is the clubs are looking to the Scottish Government for cash and given that Hollyrood is still reliant on Westminster for funding there is little in the way of money available for emergency payments.

Doesn’t help that we are still expected to pay “our share” of the costs of Brexit, HS2, Crossrail, Trident, Refurbishment of Palace of Westminster, corrupt PPE contracts etc.

Absolute rubbish!

The SG receives more per head For spending than any other region of the UK other than NI.

Check your facts before spouting such nonsense.

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Absolute rubbish!
The SG receives more per head For spending than any other region of the UK other than NI.
Check your facts before spouting such nonsense.


Aye but is it not also true that we raise more in tax per head than the rest of the UK?

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5 minutes ago, LauriestonBairn said:

 


Aye but is it not also true that we raise more in tax per head than the rest of the UK?

 

Don’t rise to the bait mate.

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3 hours ago, Back Post Misses said:

 


Their income has been slaughtered. Sorry but rivalry or not these clubs mean a lot to fans around the country and a lot of this is not of their doing. You can’t easily get shot of players under contract to cut their cloth accordingly or the other fixed costs

 

With comments like these it’s hard to feel sorry for clubs but I get your point. 

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With comments like these it’s hard to feel sorry for clubs but I get your point. 
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That's just one fan though really isn't it?

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1 hour ago, knee jerk reaction said:

Government should step in like in every other business, not any clubs fault they can't get fans in. There does need to be a limit though and if a team like Morton have spent money they don't have they should face the consequences exactly like they would if they were mismanaged in normal circumstances 

Every club was asked if they wanted to play a 27 game season and if they said yes this was under the expectation that they had the finances to make it through the season. There was no guarantee of govt assistance or crowds being allowed in at any point in this league campaign. Any club therefor who needs government assistance only 3 months into.the season deserves to go down the tubes . They all knew the circumstances and they all knew what could happen.  This situation isn't a surprise. For clubs to be desperate for the govt to give them cash asap now is ludicrous.  What's happened to their season ticket money?  That's something other industries definitely don't have. People paying in advance by the thousands?

 

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8 minutes ago, Nedelko said:
15 minutes ago, CC52 FFC said:
With comments like these it’s hard to feel sorry for clubs but I get your point. 
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That's just one fan though really isn't it?

Just having a flick through Twitter though and it seems the majority of Morton fans “hate” Falkirk. I personally wouldn’t want a club to rot or go under but as someone else said no tears will be shed on certain clubs. 

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When you consider the Govt stepped in with the Furlough scheme which a lot of employers have took the piss with there is also the chance that any said club owner could have thought the Govt will help us out with the wages signed players without any back up plan and just winged it in the hope they were top at the end of the season being called and getting promoted.  So to bring the point sign the players govt bails them out with out them having to shell out they dont have any points to forfeit or punishment with an administration with this pandemic so they really dont have much to lose.

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1 minute ago, CC52 FFC said:

Just having a flick through Twitter though and it seems the majority of Morton fans “hate” Falkirk. I personally wouldn’t want a club to rot or go under but as someone else said no tears will be shed on certain clubs. 

After their greeting to the SFA in the McKinnon affair I'd happily see them disappear into the ether to be honest.

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Just now, Shadwell Dog said:

After their greeting to the SFA in the McKinnon affair I'd happily see them disappear into the ether to be honest.

They should be alright with them "millions" they got from us.

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49 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Absolute rubbish!

The SG receives more per head For spending than any other region of the UK other than NI.

Check your facts before spouting such nonsense.

Follow Follow Forum for this pish.

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53 minutes ago, knee jerk reaction said:

Government should step in like in every other business, not any clubs fault they can't get fans in. 

That's not the point. 

In the current climate every business has to assess the risk of stricter controls and further lockdowns limiting their income before deciding how they operate. 

Football clubs are no different. While I have no idea of things like ongoing ground maintenance costs, I assume most clubs could have avoided any danger to their existence simply by sitting out the current season. Without any football penalties. They had the chance and they said no. 

Fair enough. But surely you budget for a worst-case scenario, which is a season with no fans. Given the lack of a vaccine when the clubs voted to return that was always a possibility.  If Morton are staring into the abyss before even the first round of games has been completed then someone at that club has seriously screwed up. Particularly as their expenditure should be lower than originally estimated. 

(At the time clubs gave a commitment to playing, covid testing was mandatory and must surely have been budgeted for. In Falkirk's case, the requirement to test was dropped only a few days before the players reported back for training) 

Does the government step in every time a company screws up its finances and goes under? Did they step in when Falkirk went into provisional liquidation? 

I think we both know the answer to that one. 

Nobody should step in to help Morton. 

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1 hour ago, Shadwell Dog said:

This isn't a political issue. It's not for the UK or Scottish governments to fund football clubs especially championship clubs who are being run badly. God knows how much Dundee are paying Charlie Adam to play in the second tier for example. Why should the governments bail them out?

I see that you're off a wee bit of a tangent here, but sorry you've got your hopes up re: Dundee. Our position hasn't changed at all, Dundee's FPS ownership family is worth several hundred million US $'s (certainly extremely minted as far as Scottish football goes) so unless they're planning on packing it in then we're fine. We also have pandemic insurance which has been upheld in the courts thus far, a final appeal will be heard in January, but it is looking favourable that payouts will commence in the spring.

In an effort to stay within our wage structure Dundee and Adam initially couldn't make the numbers work until 3 sponsors agreed to pay the bulk of his wage. Adam also wanted to come home for family reasons so he's now on a sliver of his last wage down south. Now let me make clear that Dundee's owners took over the club willingly and what they are paying out to keep us going doesn't matter a jot to me as I rarely feel sorry for rich people, and I'm not even crazy about the sponsorship for Adam deal, but someone had to set the record straight.

Furthermore we haven't made a single appeal in the press for fans to come back or to have a gov't bailout.

Now I'll let you get back to ranting and raving and hoping that fans of other Scottish clubs wake up tomorrow without a team to support.

 

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55 minutes ago, LauriestonBairn said:

 


Aye but is it not also true that we raise more in tax per head than the rest of the UK?

 

He who's name you do not mention has form on this. Best to ignore him as it only encourages his nonsense. He knew what the other side of the balance sheet was, but hey when did balance come into it.

He intentionally quotes selected bits of information . It's 'Quote Mining'  an attempt to mislead and distort the narrative to further their own.

It's the last refuge of somebody that has lost the argument. 

Ignore him I do 

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4 minutes ago, HopeStreetWalker said:

He who's name you do not mention has form on this. Best to ignore him as it only encourages his nonsense. He knew what the other side of the balance sheet was, but hey when did balance come into it.

He intentionally quotes selected bits of information . It's 'Quote Mining'  an attempt to mislead and distort the narrative to further their own.

It's the last refuge of somebody that has lost the argument. 

Ignore him I do 

Wrong again as usual.

scotland has tax revenues of £66bn and expenditure of £81bn, deficit of £15bn paid by RUK.

Check the SG’s own figures prepared by them.

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Just having a flick through Twitter though and it seems the majority of Morton fans “hate” Falkirk. I personally wouldn’t want a club to rot or go under but as someone else said no tears will be shed on certain clubs. 
To be fair we bumped their manager and the majority of our fans acted like c***s about it. Swings and roundabouts

Not saying we should be mourning another club's loss but gloating about it when it could easily be us, and has been in the past, is a bit weird

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At the end of the day and if we are to believe what the daily rags are reporting, hell mend those clubs who have deliberately put their players, staff, officials and sponsors at serious risk with seriously bad decisions which will see their respective clubs going bust. Their are hundreds of businesses that go bust each year without being bailed out. Like many have posted no one wants to see clubs going bust, but don’t say they weren’t warned or given a route out. For me they deserve everything that comes to them.

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23 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Wrong again as usual.

scotland has tax revenues of £66bn and expenditure of £81bn, deficit of £15bn paid by RUK.

Check the SG’s own figures prepared by them.

Mel 🇪🇺 on Twitter: "Why were GERS only compiled since 1992?"

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Wrong again as usual.
scotland has tax revenues of £66bn and expenditure of £81bn, deficit of £15bn paid by RUK.
Check the SG’s own figures prepared by them.
There are a number of threads for this, all of which you are more than welcome to get rinsed on.

There are also a few Rangers threads if you want to finally drop the facade.

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39 minutes ago, CanadianDee said:

I see that you're off a wee bit of a tangent here, but sorry you've got your hopes up re: Dundee. Our position hasn't changed at all, Dundee's FPS ownership family is worth several hundred million US $'s (certainly extremely minted as far as Scottish football goes) so unless they're planning on packing it in then we're fine. We also have pandemic insurance which has been upheld in the courts thus far, a final appeal will be heard in January, but it is looking favourable that payouts will commence in the spring.

In an effort to stay within our wage structure Dundee and Adam initially couldn't make the numbers work until 3 sponsors agreed to pay the bulk of his wage. Adam also wanted to come home for family reasons so he's now on a sliver of his last wage down south. Now let me make clear that Dundee's owners took over the club willingly and what they are paying out to keep us going doesn't matter a jot to me as I rarely feel sorry for rich people, and I'm not even crazy about the sponsorship for Adam deal, but someone had to set the record straight.

Furthermore we haven't made a single appeal in the press for fans to come back or to have a gov't bailout.

Now I'll let you get back to ranting and raving and hoping that fans of other Scottish clubs wake up tomorrow without a team to support.

 

Dundee fan trying to take the high road over falkirk, considering your past and what we did for you back in 2011. Total riddy.

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