bejazz1 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 If anything, it's the opposite to reactive change that's put us where we are today. It was obvious to anyone that Eddie May wasn't cut out for the job and he should have been punted by the third game of the season. We persisted with him until February by which time it was far too late. It was obvious in Houston's last season that he had lost it and should have been binned far sooner than he had been. But we persevered for too long and the damage had been done. Ironically, the best decision the club made in recent season was to realise early on that the Hartley project had failed and binned him earlier in the season. However McKinnon should have been out on his arse when he got us relegated. But we stuck with him, again, for far too long. The 'reactive change' you talk about doesn't really stand up. We don't have a history of changing stuff on a whim. If anything, it's the opposite. I agree that we cannot allow much more time for M&M to start getting results or it’ll be the play offs. The concern for me is that if any team were to go on a decent run I fear we would be left behind, one of the main reasons we are top now is more down to the inconsistent form of Thistle, Airdrie and Cove but I feel these teams are now beginning to fire whereas we are sputtering all over the park. For me next 2 league games are crucial. Drop any points and we make change it’s as simple as that. We need to show some intent, desire and make up for the catastrophic f**k up of the last 3 games. I know a lot of us on here are sceptical of the dual manger set up. So hypothetically, If the board were to decide to end that agreement and go to a single manager and remove one from the position (similar to Ross County before Kettlewell was sacked), who would be the best option to take the role? You never know that could help solve the problem. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) I'd probably give it to Miller. McCracken can take his chance pyramid shilling his shitty Herbalife, reflecting on why he didn't take a yellow card for the team in the cup final. Edited January 3, 2021 by Gaz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan Freemason Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Ii remember being at Meadowbank and folk going up to the board members nah no Jeffries he is shit,how wrong they were.There used be a radio quiz show “What’s My Line” where the aim was to determine someone’s job/skill via a limited number of questions.I can remember a couple of months into JJ’s time someone in the stand bellowing out “Jefferies you’d be brilliant oan What’s My Line coz nae fucker would ever guess you’re supposed to be a football manager.” Lots of people have indulged in Jefferies revisionism. The man was despised by many for a good few months. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 The start of Jeffries tenure was before my working memory but if people are using that as a reason to give M&M a chance then that's a hell of a straw man argument. Football is much more transparent these days. Thirty years ago no-one would have seen us lose at East Fife apart from the few hundred who would have went. Now we can all see it, now we can all see the deficiencies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGPar Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, bejazz1 said: I know a lot of us on here are sceptical of the dual manger set up. So hypothetically, If the board were to decide to end that agreement and go to a single manager and remove one from the position (similar to Ross County before Kettlewell was sacked), who would be the best option to take the role? You never know that could help solve the problem. Neither. They came as a pair. Whenever the time comes, they go as a pair. Anything else is a complete and utter cop-out. Ross County are an incredibly poorly-run football club, pumped up by the ego and largesse of one individual. He is a media darling however, so his horrendous decision-making is never subject to any serious scrutiny. I would not be copying anything that mob do. I personally find them every bit as dislikeable as the West Lothian mob. Edited January 3, 2021 by AGPar 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank von Hell Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 As I said numerous times it was a huge gamble appointing M&M, one I did not agree with - being as they were untried rookies and I always think 2 managers just does not work. But the club have backed themselves into a corner - you can't sack them when they are top of the league or especially if they win the league which I still expect to happen. The major problem comes in season one in the Championship when I'd see us seriously struggling - if we give them too long we could be back in relegation trouble again before we can get a manager in, who is hopefully suitably qualified for the job and probably without "Falkirk blood". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Perrin Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Hank von Hell said: As I said numerous times it was a huge gamble appointing M&M, one I did not agree with - being as they were untried rookies and I always think 2 managers just does not work. But the club have backed themselves into a corner - you can't sack them when they are top of the league or especially if they win the league which I still expect to happen. The major problem comes in season one in the Championship when I'd see us seriously struggling - if we give them too long we could be back in relegation trouble again before we can get a manager in, who is hopefully suitably qualified for the job and probably without "Falkirk blood". To be honest I am seriously beginning to think the major problem is escaping from this league not hypothetical problems in the Championship. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back Post Misses Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Do you mean by punters on PnB, or proper warned by people who actually knew?Someone with close ties to Hamilton told the club how poor Alston’s stats were 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back Post Misses Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Time to think longer term IMO. We keep getting told the plan is to get us to the Premiership. If that is the case you have to set out a football plan to get you there and the manager has to be the most important call. So the thought process has to be IMO. Are M&M the men we think are going to get us there? If the answer is yes you stick with them. If it is no why waste any time? They may well stumble over the line and win this league, however if your call is they are the wrong people you have made it even harder to make the change. I don’t really care if we were 10 points clear - IMO they are not the right people to get us where the club say they want to get to so you should make the change now. I suspect now they will appoint the DOF who will quickly have to make that assessment. If that person comes in and sticks with M&M I would be shocked 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughsie Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 17 minutes ago, Bantabairn said: we lost out on promotion through no fault of them So they’re not getting any blame apportioned for us not being top when the season stopped? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairney The Dinosaur Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Once a DOF comes in it is only a matter of time before a manager goes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecosse83 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 I think we all know deep down Miller and McCracken will never manage another club apart from ours, there just not manager material. It’s a nice idea having them in charge but it’s time to get real and get a proper manager in. Oh and why no interviews this morning? Is the going getting too tough already? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge of allan bairn Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 I dont think m&m are the long term future of the club. Changing management feels a bit like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic though. I dont think well ever get out of this mess we have gotten ourselves in till we own our own stadium and land round it, and have our own academy and produce our own players. I dont care how long it takes but it would be good to have a long term strategy aimed at that again. not renting everything and loaning players. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bainsfordbairn Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 18 minutes ago, Ecosse83 said: Oh and why no interviews this morning? Is the going getting too tough already? FFCTV weren't there to make any. One of the East Fife TV guys said they would interview our management for us after the game. No idea what happened to it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Bins Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Please get rid of the management comedy duo in the morning. Sentiment got them the jobs, the football is horrendous and they are not the long term future. We won’t get out of this league with these two clowns in charge, simple as. I don’t care that I loved Lee as a player and his affinity with the club, this is the management of the club now!! Leave it much longer and we will be leapfrogged and cut adrift. The football at the moment is absolutely brutal bar a few halfs!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers_One_To_Eleven Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 It all started in Jan 2008. Gretna 2-0 defeat, time finally caught up with Latapy and Steven Thomson leaving. Pretty much unremitting regression since. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Complete nonsense. Every team in the land loses influential players on a regular basis. To go back to a date about 12 years ago is just idiotic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latapy is god Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 I think it's clear now that the management are out of their depth and are not a long term option for the club going forward. It's as if the appointments to begin with were just to try get the fans onside and not based on their experience or skills. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aufc Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 You are top of the fucking league. Most entitled set of fans ever 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back Post Misses Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 FFCTV weren't there to make any. One of the East Fife TV guys said they would interview our management for us after the game. No idea what happened to it. You were there so why could you have not filmed it and Andy Thomson conduct the interview. I assume he was there as usual? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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