BountyBairn Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 I’ll sponsor the testing and associated club medical costs for a one off game against the filth so that I can get my fix. Make it happen KK and GD! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeStreetWalker Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 What concerns me is that the there has been no publication of the Risk Assessment. Together with the Health and Safety at Work regulations to make it work Every club will have to have the same standards, otherwise its all pointless. Isolation of players and staff prior to the fixture. Hygiene procedures traveling to and from the stadium. Hygiene procedures at the stadium. All it will take is for one player to become infected and the whole thing grinds to a halt. Suspect the reason whey they have not published this is because they don't have one ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bainsfordbairn Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 25 minutes ago, HopeStreetWalker said: What concerns me is that the there has been no publication of the Risk Assessment. Together with the Health and Safety at Work regulations to make it work Every club will have to have the same standards, otherwise its all pointless. Isolation of players and staff prior to the fixture. Hygiene procedures traveling to and from the stadium. Hygiene procedures at the stadium. All it will take is for one player to become infected and the whole thing grinds to a halt. Suspect the reason whey they have not published this is because they don't have one ! I wouldn't have thought that the publication of a Risk Assessment was important. Particularly as it would likely apply only to club staff as initial games would be closed-door. Still, if you think it's an issue then let's debate it. Can you point me in the direction of a covid-19 Risk Assessment that a Scottish League One football club has published? Or Championship for that matter? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Tuesday Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 https://img.fifa.com/image/upload/buajfz5eqfczdgdzxm42.pdf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeStreetWalker Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 15 minutes ago, Bainsfordbairn said: I wouldn't have thought that the publication of a Risk Assessment was important. Particularly as it would likely apply only to club staff as initial games would be closed-door. Still, if you think it's an issue then let's debate it. Can you point me in the direction of a covid-19 Risk Assessment that a Scottish League One football club has published? Or Championship for that matter? Answer to your question regarding Covid-19. Not that I know of ! Companies have a duty to keep employees safe at work. They have to satisfy the insurers not only of the premises are safe but precautions and procedures are in place to ensure compliance with that responsibility. So this will be a Stadium Company / FFC responsibility. Every company with have that insurance document on their notice board or they don't trade. These precautions will have to be common to all football clubs involved in this proposed league. Just like a pub chain or shops keep the staff and the public safe. The tricky bit for all concerned is that the regulations are liable to change regarding football. Think we will all find out at the end of the month when players contracts run out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank von Hell Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 1 hour ago, HopeStreetWalker said: What concerns me is that the there has been no publication of the Risk Assessment. Together with the Health and Safety at Work regulations to make it work Every club will have to have the same standards, otherwise its all pointless. Isolation of players and staff prior to the fixture. Hygiene procedures traveling to and from the stadium. Hygiene procedures at the stadium. All it will take is for one player to become infected and the whole thing grinds to a halt. Suspect the reason whey they have not published this is because they don't have one ! Well not really as the Bundesliga, EPL and EFL have all had cases and carried on regardless with the players going into iso. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Why ever would clubs publish their risk assessments though? They will have to submit them to whoever but that's it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 2 hours ago, HopeStreetWalker said: What concerns me is that the there has been no publication of the Risk Assessment. Together with the Health and Safety at Work regulations to make it work Every club will have to have the same standards, otherwise its all pointless. Isolation of players and staff prior to the fixture. Hygiene procedures traveling to and from the stadium. Hygiene procedures at the stadium. All it will take is for one player to become infected and the whole thing grinds to a halt. Suspect the reason whey they have not published this is because they don't have one ! It’s the SPFL, fair chance their plan is to bung all players into a few rooms with some people with coughs and fevers, wait till they all get the virus, then assume they are all immune and play on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertobotswana Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 9 hours ago, HopeStreetWalker said: Answer to your question regarding Covid-19. Not that I know of ! Companies have a duty to keep employees safe at work. They have to satisfy the insurers not only of the premises are safe but precautions and procedures are in place to ensure compliance with that responsibility. So this will be a Stadium Company / FFC responsibility. Every company with have that insurance document on their notice board or they don't trade. These precautions will have to be common to all football clubs involved in this proposed league. Just like a pub chain or shops keep the staff and the public safe. The tricky bit for all concerned is that the regulations are liable to change regarding football. Think we will all find out at the end of the month when players contracts run out. Can I just pick up on a few things here... Obtaining business insurance is just as easy as getting car insurance but with slightly different questions. They want to know risk but not how you specifically prevent/reduce it. Companies only have to display employers liability by law. You can still trade without it, you'll just get continually fined. Carry on... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bainsfordbairn Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 9 hours ago, HopeStreetWalker said: Answer to your question regarding Covid-19. Not that I know of ! Companies have a duty to keep employees safe at work. They have to satisfy the insurers not only of the premises are safe but precautions and procedures are in place to ensure compliance with that responsibility. So this will be a Stadium Company / FFC responsibility. Every company with have that insurance document on their notice board or they don't trade. These precautions will have to be common to all football clubs involved in this proposed league. Just like a pub chain or shops keep the staff and the public safe. The tricky bit for all concerned is that the regulations are liable to change regarding football. Think we will all find out at the end of the month when players contracts run out. I know. I have professional qualifications in Health & Safety as it formed a large part of my duties during my career. You are correct about things like section 2.1 of the HASAWA (I can still quote it verbatim), Certificate of Employers Liability and compliance with industry standards. Your previous post bemused me though. You complained about Falkirk not doing something that evidently no-one else does either, or at least not that you know of. So why complain in the first place? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 49 minutes ago, Bantabairn said: That’s the initial £3M released to the SPFL for distribution through the kindness of the philanthropist who wants all of Scotland’s 42 clubs to benefit. This is undoubtedly a priceless donation for many, but for me it simply prolongs any chance we have of reconstruction and getting shot of the self preservation society. I notice 625k is in the form of gift aid. Is that really what gift aid was set up to do? Fund professional football.clubs? Seems a wee bit iffy to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 19 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said: I notice 625k is in the form of gift aid. Is that really what gift aid was set up to do? Fund professional football.clubs? Seems a wee bit iffy to me. If the SPFL Trust is a registered charity, then that's exactly what it was set up to do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeStreetWalker Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Bainsfordbairn said: I know. I have professional qualifications in Health & Safety as it formed a large part of my duties during my career. You are correct about things like section 2.1 of the HASAWA (I can still quote it verbatim), Certificate of Employers Liability and compliance with industry standards. Your previous post bemused me though. You complained about Falkirk not doing something that evidently no-one else does either, or at least not that you know of. So why complain in the first place? It's not complaining about Falkirk not doing what everybody else is not doing. This can only work by having a collective standard. That mean when the away team arrive for the game. They abide by the same standards therefore keeping themselves and the home team safe and vice versa. It is no different to a contractor of facility management company for example. All parties on the premises abide by a uniform set of procedures. Since FFC would be going to 10-12 locations uniformity of standards are crucial. Hope this clarifies - 2.1 ah old memories of long risk assessment meetings come flooding back. They are not missed LOL 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, Ranaldo Bairn said: If the SPFL Trust is a registered charity, then that's exactly what it was set up to do. Yeah but it's one thing the cash going to grass roots football and another it going to professional football teams. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 a) surely you can see even SPFL clubs have significant benefits to their communities. b) the guy knows fine well what his money is doing; it's no secret. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Ranaldo Bairn said: a) surely you can see even SPFL clubs have significant benefits to their communities. b) the guy knows fine well what his money is doing; it's no secret. Ok but this money is available to the top flight clubs too including the old firm. Total joke if they're allowed to ask for charity handouts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 I'm not going to get into a long drawn out argument about this. The guy made a philanthropic gesture which is available to 42 clubs. I'd hope a few of them would waive their share but they are just as entitled as anyone else to it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairn in Exile Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said: Ok but this money is available to the top flight clubs too including the old firm. Total joke if they're allowed to ask for charity handouts. Hi Shadwell, I think I'm with Ranaldo on this one, although I'd be happier if I knew 100% that the monies were to be distributed with the most money going to League 2 and the least to the Premiership. Money / grants can go to the arts, why not football? I know these numbers are for England but you get the gist. Total Arts Council Funding into Ballet YEAR ARTS COUNCIL ENGLAND FUNDING TO BALLET ORGANISATIONS 2012/13 £11,420,195 2013/14 £2,773,248 2014/15 £1,705,648 2015/16 £916,787 2016/17 £2,341,456 2017/18 £5,812,189 2018/19 to date £75,09 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, Bairn in Exile said: Hi Shadwell, I think I'm with Ranaldo on this one, although I'd be happier if I knew 100% that the monies were to be distributed with the most money going to League 2 and the least to the Premiership. Money / grants can go to the arts, why not football? I know these numbers are for England but you get the gist. Total Arts Council Funding into Ballet YEAR ARTS COUNCIL ENGLAND FUNDING TO BALLET ORGANISATIONS 2012/13 £11,420,195 2013/14 £2,773,248 2014/15 £1,705,648 2015/16 £916,787 2016/17 £2,341,456 2017/18 £5,812,189 2018/19 to date £75,09 How many ballet companies just spent 3 million pounds on a baller dancer though? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairn in Exile Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 (edited) Baller dancer? No, fair point Shadwell. Edited June 10, 2020 by Bairn in Exile 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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