The Falkirk FC Thread

[RandomGuy.]

1 minute ago, AL-FFC said:

Rangers proposal is probably the best one going other than going for the unknown with the SPFL deal the clubs are provided a LOAN with the prize money depending on placing as Shadwell posted last night stranraer would get 70k on their placing any club struggling financially would get a loan of that amount or there abouts.

 

The proposal that sees League Two sides in 4th loaned money, told to wait potentially 6 months to finish a season, finish 8th. Cut down the amount of games next season, and subsequently income, and then facing a bill because they money they loaned doesnt match the amount they actually earned?

[Bairnardo]

The proposal that sees League Two sides in 4th loaned money, told to wait potentially 6 months to finish a season, finish 8th. Cut down the amount of games next season, and subsequently income, and then facing a bill because they money they loaned doesnt match the amount they actually earned?

We get it. You think the diddy clubs should just swallow a shite rushed proposal because......


Well I am genuinely unsure why you think that. It cant be your previous point about time constraints and failed votes given that the top league is hedging its bets atm like almost all of Europe.

[RandomGuy.]

Just now, Bairnardo said:

We get it. You think the diddy clubs should just swallow a shite rushed proposal because......
 

 

... part time teams cant wait forever, nor can players.

Teams have players furloughed who go out of contract in May. They cannot be furloughed again, either by their current club or a new club. 

If we wait forever, and have no start date for the new season, what happens on expiry day? Do clubs then start paying these players a full wage for an indefinite amount of time? Do they let the players leave and let them stay without wages? Part time sides will have to decide that for entire squads.

Clubs need to know exactly how much money they have, so they know exactly how much they can pay out until the new season starts, which will get a date once this one is declared finished. 

[Shadwell Dog]

2 minutes ago, Bantabairn said:

Livingston on BBC news voting Yes.

Just read the news release, I sincerely hope we don’t become a member of the self preservation society. Can’t believe these teams get to vote on the three lower divisions, absolutely despicable the whole lot of them.

No surprise as it gives them a top 6 finish and the money that comes with it.

[AL-FFC]

Falkirk released a statement on it and good to see we have grown a set, how long it lasts though is anyones guess, notice the key words with "consult" on reconstruction.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5475373/falkirk-rangers-hearts-partick-spfl-leagues/

One crumb of comfort, however, is the SPFL board's commitment to 'consult' on league restructuring if the proposal passes, although any such plans must get the approval of 11 top flight clubs.

A statement read: "The Falkirk FC board is in unanimous agreement that we cannot support the SPFL resolution in its current form.

"We do draw some comfort from the SPFL’s desire to consult with clubs over league reconstruction for next season – something which Falkirk FC has long advocated – but the warm words in the statement do not go far enough in our view.

"If the SPFL were to formally commit to the introduction of a suitably restructured setup effective from next season, then Falkirk FC would seriously reconsider our opposition to the SPFL’s resolution.

[Bairnardo]

Just now, RandomGuy. said:

... part time teams cant wait forever, nor can players.

Teams have players furloughed who go out of contract in May. They cannot be furloughed again, either by their current club or a new club. 

If we wait forever, and have no start date for the new season, what happens on expiry day? Do clubs then start paying these players a full wage for an indefinite amount of time? Do they let the players leave and let them stay without wages? Part time sides will have to decide that for entire squads.

Clubs need to know exactly how much money they have, so they know exactly how much they can pay out until the new season starts, which will get a date once this one is declared finished. 

Why cant we wait the same length of time as the top flight clubs, and find a way to split the money as fairly as possible?

Why is it that the football in our leagues has to be fucked up long before anything like a deadline, in order to get the money?

Find the "best of a bad lot" way to split the money would be FAR preferable to any right thinking football fan than this half arsed carve up of the actual sport, or do you not agree with me there?

[MrDust]

1 hour ago, RandomGuy. said:

UEFA cant do that.

UEFA can punish countries other ways, they could easily stop our top league gaining entry to Europe without any complaints outside Scotland.

They have contacted Belgium after they made their decision

1 hour ago, Shadwell Dog said:

I dont think.a single one outside belgium is making a final decision now. We're the only clowns doing that.

Belgium seemingly have had their collar felt from Uefa after their decision, they also havent made any decision on relegation from their top league.

Like Scotland, if Uefa banned them from euro competitions, no one other than Belgium would make a complaint, they aren't a big hitter

1 hour ago, RandomGuy. said:

There isnt a proposal, IMO, that gets those votes.

Voiding is off the table by all accounts.

Ending as is will have the same issues as this.

Reconstruction has issues. 14 team top flight unfairly promotes one out of three play off teams. 16 team top flight doesnt comply with TV deal needing 4 OF fixtures, unless you cut the number of games one half is getting.

Theres not a single way to resolve this everyone is going to agree on.

 

 

Voiding  will please more than ending prematurely with really only the current top spot placed teams being pissed off

on paper every club in the 4 leagues has something to play for in the remaining games, so pissing off 4 current top spots doesnt have the same issues at all 

58 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

Because theres a UEFA meeting between all the associations on the 23rd which is setting everything in stone. Theres no point rushing a decision which might affect you when you can just wait a few weeks. Nobody even knows how European competitions will work next season yet.

I've no idea why the lower leagues arent waiting to the same date, but I'd doubt theyve just picked this week at random for the vote.

Do you seriously think everything will be set in stone on the 23rd ?

if so please add a zip to your back

[RandomGuy.]

Just now, Bairnardo said:

Why cant we wait the same length of time as the top flight clubs, and find a way to split the money as fairly as possible?

Why is it that the football in our leagues has to be fucked up long before anything like a deadline, in order to get the money?

Find the "best of a bad lot" way to split the money would be FAR preferable to any right thinking football fan than this half arsed carve up of the actual sport, or do you not agree with me there?

The top flight wouldnt be waiting if they had a choice, but UEFA are pretty much forcing all top flights to wait by not completely clarifying qualification to their own tournaments until the 23rd.

Money is so important in Scottish football because most clubs are absolutely fucking skint and spend most of their time on a financial knife edge.

Clubs dont care about splitting money fairly, and its them who decide it. Especially top flight clubs, and I include Saints in that.

[RandomGuy.]

1 minute ago, MrDust said:

UEFA can punish countries other ways, they could easily stop our top league gaining entry to Europe without any complaints outside Scotland.

Yes. 

I was replying to the suggestion UEFA can decide how leagues end and force it upon associations. They have no power to do that.

All they can do is threaten and push associations towards what they want, the leagues themselves hold all the power over how they end.

[LauriestonBairn]

Thoughts VirginTon?

[RandomGuy.]

3 minutes ago, MrDust said:

Do you seriously think everything will be set in stone on the 23rd ?

if so please add a zip to your back

That was in regards to European Competition. 

UEFA are holding a meeting that day to decide it.

[MrDust]

Just now, RandomGuy. said:

Yes. 

I was replying to the suggestion UEFA can decide how leagues end and force it upon associations. They have no power to do that.

All they can do is threaten and push associations towards what they want, the leagues themselves hold all the power over how they end.

Do you think Belgium or Scotland would go against Uefa ?

If you say yes, then of course its the governing bodies decision, if you say no...well Uefa make the decision

[RandomGuy.]

Just now, MrDust said:

Do you think Belgium or Scotland would go against Uefa ?

If you say yes, then of course its the governing bodies decision, if you say no...well Uefa make the decision

Belgium already have. 

Scotland havent decided yet.

[Shadwell Dog]

2 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

The top flight wouldnt be waiting if they had a choice, but UEFA are pretty much forcing all top flights to wait by not completely clarifying qualification to their own tournaments until the 23rd.

Money is so important in Scottish football because most clubs are absolutely fucking skint and spend most of their time on a financial knife edge.

Clubs dont care about splitting money fairly, and its them who decide it. Especially top flight clubs, and I include Saints in that.

 

2 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

The top flight wouldnt be waiting if they had a choice, but UEFA are pretty much forcing all top flights to wait by not completely clarifying qualification to their own tournaments until the 23rd.

Money is so important in Scottish football because most clubs are absolutely fucking skint and spend most of their time on a financial knife edge.

Clubs dont care about splitting money fairly, and its them who decide it. Especially top flight clubs, and I include Saints in that.

That's one thing that really has to change. Far too many clubs are living on the very edge of their means as can be seen by the way the begging bowls were out after about a week of inactivity. Too many clubs still haven't learned from the past and are spending every penny they have on their first team with no rainy day cash when something goes wrong.  Whilst I realise this virus is an extreme case which all clubs were going to struggle through the fact that some seem unable to get through a single month without the help of handouts is worrying indeed.

 

[RandomGuy.]

Just now, Shadwell Dog said:

 

That's one thing that really has to change. Far too many clubs are living on the very edge of their means as can be seen by the way the begging bowls were out after about a week of inactivity. Too many clubs still haven't learned from the past and are spending every penny they have on their first team with no rainy day cash when something goes wrong.  Whilst I realise this virus is an extreme case which all clubs were going to struggle through the fact that some seem unable to get through a single month without the help of handouts is worrying indeed.

 

Of course its worrying, but it's the reality. Hearts needed players to take a 50% wage cut, Ayr arent expecting to see out 2 months without income, why are you expecting part time sides, who's entire income is home games, to sit back and wait when they could go 2/3 months without a penny coming in?

All lower league teams have already recieved their payments due at the start of April in March. Every single one. Teams at the bottom of their leagues, in One/Two, will barely earn anything more. 

[MrDust]

6 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

Belgium already have. 

Scotland havent decided yet.

Belgium haven't, answer the question properly if you can

Do you think Belgium or Scotland would go against Uefa ?

 

 

 

[RandomGuy.]

Just now, MrDust said:

Belgium haven't, answer the question properly if you can

Do you think Belgium or Scotland would go against Uefa ?

UEFA wanted all leagues to stay open until they couldnt complete their league seasons in this footballing year. They announced this, and said any league that did could lose their spots in the next European competitions.

Belgium ended their league early, before the footballing year is out.

How is that not Belgium going against UEFA?

[Shadwell Dog]

2 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

UEFA wanted all leagues to stay open until they couldnt complete their league seasons in this footballing year. They announced this, and said any league that did could lose their spots in the next European competitions.

Belgium ended their league early, before the footballing year is out.

How is that not Belgium going against UEFA?

Looks like belgium are bottling it if you ask me.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKCN21R2M9

[RandomGuy.]

1 minute ago, Shadwell Dog said:

Looks like belgium are bottling it if you ask me.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKCN21R2M9

Probably because the UEFA meeting, which is now a day before they confirm their intention to end their season, wasnt announced when they first picked a date.

Why rush a decision when you can wait and make sure you're not fucking yourselves over?

Edited April 9, 2020 by RandomGuy.

[Shadwell Dog]

Just now, RandomGuy. said:

Probably because the UEFA meeting, which is now a day before they confirm their intention to end their season, wasnt announced when they first picked a date.

Why rush a decision when you can wait and make sure you're not fucking yourselves over?

Exactly what I'm saying about this ludicrous vote .