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4 minutes ago, Big Fifer said:

I'm not sure many are grasping Tx's point here. Yes Falkirk are a grand club with a grand stadium and a wonderful set of fans and great facilities blah blah blah. All that usual stuff that you guys need to hear 5 times a day.

The point is, you've got a group of good individuals but an absolutely terrible team. You can't simultaneously argue that Ray McKinnon is to blame for this entire mess, but also say that you absolutely have to get this appointment right otherwise you're in trouble. Surely anyone can get these players playing  great given it was all big bad Ray's fault? The fact is there's no guarantee any new manager will be able to get a tune out of what is an incredibly toxic environment both on and off the pitch. Sure, if DY or anyone else was offered this job in the summer it's a no brainer and a definite step up. But any manager leaving the squads they've built to take over your group of charlatans should be thinking pretty carefully in my view. 

A half decent manager should be able to mould the current group into a team though. McKinnon was just a total diddy.

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1 minute ago, Big Fifer said:

I'm not sure many are grasping Tx's point here. Yes Falkirk are a grand club with a grand stadium and a wonderful set of fans and great facilities blah blah blah. All that usual stuff that you guys need to hear 5 times a day.

The point is, you've got a group of good individuals but an absolutely terrible team. You can't simultaneously argue that Ray McKinnon is to blame for this entire mess, but also say that you absolutely have to get this appointment right otherwise you're in trouble. Surely anyone can get these players playing  great given it was all big bad Ray's fault? The fact is there's no guarantee any new manager will be able to get a tune out of what is an incredibly toxic environment both on and off the pitch. Sure, if DY or anyone else was offered this job in the summer it's a no brainer and a definite step up. But any manager leaving the squads they've built to take over your group of charlatans should be thinking pretty carefully in my view. 

The fact that as you say we have a terrible team and yet we're only a few points off the top says it all.  The basis for a decent side is there and there is room to bring in some players to balance the squad  off in January as some of the dross is shipped.  Fortunately there are no decent sides in the league. If for example Queens had come down with us we would be looking at playoffs at best already.  If you are looking for  a full time post then at least Falkirk have the budget etc to back up the need for a title this season. In the championship just now you've got about 8 sides that think they should be in the playoffs minimum no matter their budget and if you don't achieve that the fans are up in arms.

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2 minutes ago, roman_bairn said:

Let’s be honest here. The board are an easy shot and most of the time with complete justification.

I said in an earlier post that it’s important that whoever is appointed has some past positive history with the club as the connection with the fans is broken.

This interim appointment, if true, and whilst a little risky, could also prove to be a master stroke and should prove popular to most of us.

If it works, we will all be happy (except Shadwell who’s never happy emoji2.png), if it doesn’t, it’s probably down to inexperience and we can bring in someone to address that instead.I wanted Houston and Latapy but I realise that’s unlikely. This is a good alternative and for once I think we should be applauding the board for being willing to take a popular risk rather than condemning them....

I hear what you are saying but didn't we all cream our jeans in the summer of 2018 when we were signing Dallison, Lewis, Petravicius and Dan Turner🤮? We all thought that Hartley and the board had pulled off a master stroke signing all these players from Brighton, Watford and the likes - after all these bigger teams must have better fringe players, right? That was seen as a popular risk and we all saw how that worked out. It is vital that we go up this year and even on an interim basis I would have preferred someone with a bit of a track record, not the tired, hackneyed names as listed on McBookie but somebody at least with a bit of experience - Totten anyone?

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I'm not sure many are grasping Tx's point here. Yes Falkirk are a grand club with a grand stadium and a wonderful set of fans and great facilities blah blah blah. All that usual stuff that you guys need to hear 5 times a day.
The point is, you've got a group of good individuals but an absolutely terrible team. You can't simultaneously argue that Ray McKinnon is to blame for this entire mess, but also say that you absolutely have to get this appointment right otherwise you're in trouble. Surely anyone can get these players playing  great given it was all big bad Ray's fault? The fact is there's no guarantee any new manager will be able to get a tune out of what is an incredibly toxic environment both on and off the pitch. Sure, if DY or anyone else was offered this job in the summer it's a no brainer and a definite step up. But any manager leaving the squads they've built to take over your group of charlatans should be thinking pretty carefully in my view. 

Group of charlatans, it’s almost as if you’ve never been good enough to be in the championship to see last seasons team.

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Anyone who can't get a tune out of this lot is a clown

McManus - starter for the team who won the league above last season, top scorer in League One previously 

Sammon - international footballer who has scored goals in Scottish top flight and English Championship, as well as playing in English top flight 

McMillan - has scored numerous goals in both Champions League and Europa League, one of the top scorers in Ireland over multiple years

Those three should be getting 60 between them easily. 

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3 minutes ago, Marshmallo said:

Anyone who can't get a tune out of this lot is a clown

McManus - starter for the team who won the league above last season, top scorer in League One previously 

Sammon - international footballer who has scored goals in Scottish top flight and English Championship, as well as playing in English top flight 

McMillan - has scored numerous goals in both Champions League and Europa League, one of the top scorers in Ireland over multiple years

Those three should be getting 60 between them easily. 

Its a left back and a couple of boys more inclined to get their sleeves rolled up when the going gets tough we need.

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13 minutes ago, champions said:

A half decent manager should be able to mould the current group into a team though. McKinnon was just a total diddy.

Agreed on McKinnon, at the game on Saturday his subs were in no way a reaction to what was happening on the pitch, just random dice throwing from where I was sitting. 

11 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:

The fact that as you say we have a terrible team and yet we're only a few points off the top says it all.  The basis for a decent side is there and there is room to bring in some players to balance the squad  off in January as some of the dross is shipped.  Fortunately there are no decent sides in the league. If for example Queens had come down with us we would be looking at playoffs at best already.  If you are looking for  a full time post then at least Falkirk have the budget etc to back up the need for a title this season. In the championship just now you've got about 8 sides that think they should be in the playoffs minimum no matter their budget and if you don't achieve that the fans are up in arms.

Yeah it's terrible in full-time terms, which is why it's not showing the astronomical advantage that it should be on the pitch. Can your board guarantee the new manager some funds in January or will he have to work with what looks like to me, a fairly unbalanced squad? Can we be absolutely sure that the players can be made into a good team together or are their any other issues? Of course a new manager could come in and get you to the top of this average pile, but I'm just not sure it's a 100% slam dunk and that's the impression I get from reading this thread.

6 minutes ago, Trump said:


Group of charlatans, it’s almost as if you’ve never been good enough to be in the championship to see last seasons team.

No need to get snarky now. 

Edited by Big Fifer

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30 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:

To me having two guys in post like this is going to put any decent candidates off applying for the post if that's the case especially those already in a job. We're muddying the waters far too much.Again why are these two taking up a temp post when they both have permanent ones already?

Say it takes two weeks to get applications in, decide on a shortlist, interview and then pick the best candidate.

Who takes the team in the interim? Paul Dixon? Derek Jackson the goalie coach? Bob the kitman with Laura from the shop as his assistant?

You're moaning for the sake of it without knowing any of the details.

At least wait until you have that FFS. I think there should be something online today.  

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I hear what you are saying but didn't we all cream our jeans in the summer of 2018 when we were signing Dallison, Lewis, Petravicius and Dan Turner🤮? We all thought that Hartley and the board had pulled off a master stroke signing all these players from Brighton, Watford and the likes - after all these bigger teams must have better fringe players, right? That was seen as a popular risk and we all saw how that worked out. It is vital that we go up this year and even on an interim basis I would have preferred someone with a bit of a track record, not the tired, hackneyed names as listed on McBookie but somebody at least with a bit of experience - Totten anyone?

Feel free to look back. I certainly didn’t. I flagged at the time that the Hartley appointment and the closing of the Academy could be the death of us, or words to that effect....

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2 minutes ago, roman_bairn said:


Feel free to look back. I certainly didn’t. I flagged at the time that the Hartley appointment and the closing of the Academy could be the death of us, or words to that effect....

Fair dos. I stand corrected.

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Txrover turning out to be a bit of a falkirk obsessed weirdo is the least surprising development of this god forsaken season 

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4 minutes ago, Big Fifer said:

Agreed on McKinnon, at the game on Saturday his subs were in no way a reaction to what was happening on the pitch, just random dice throwing from where I was sitting. 

This has been ongoing from last season, he was far too defensive in games we needed to win, one point from either alloa or morton at home and we would have finished 8th. He also made some ludicrous comment about biting your hand off if we'd been 3 points behind going into the last game.

This season he persisted with a narrow formation when it was obvious it wasnt working, replaced two stikers mid match with another two strikers  in a truly bizarre switch, talen off our most productive player in games etc.

The man was utterly clueless and really should have been fired last season.  Thankfully we're only 3 points off the top and given ourselves a chance of actually winning the thing.

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6 minutes ago, Bainsfordbairn said:

Say it takes two weeks to get applications in, decide on a shortlist, interview and then pick the best candidate.

Who takes the team in the interim? Paul Dixon? Derek Jackson the goalie coach? Bob the kitman with Laura from the shop as his assistant?

You're moaning for the sake of it without knowing any of the details.

At least wait until you have that FFS. I think there should be something online today.  

Two games  against lithgae and Stranraer. I'm sure even Totten and an experienced player could've taken the side for a fortnight.  Still doesn't explain why two guys are giving up permanent posts to take us for a few weeks but I suppose as you say we'll just need to wait and see.

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12 minutes ago, Big Fifer said:

Agreed on McKinnon, at the game on Saturday his subs were in no way a reaction to what was happening on the pitch, just random dice throwing from where I was sitting. 

Yeah it's terrible in full-time terms, which is why it's not showing the astronomical advantage that it should be on the pitch. Can your board guarantee the new manager some funds in January or will he have to work with what looks like to me, a fairly unbalanced squad? Can we be absolutely sure that the players can be made into a good team together or are their any other issues? Of course a new manager could come in and get you to the top of this average pile, but I'm just not sure it's a 100% slam dunk and that's the impression I get from reading this thread.

No need to get snarky now. 

A number of short term players will be leaving in January thankfully. That and the second tranche of the Will Vaulks money should allow any new manager to bring in the necessary players to balance off the squad.

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6 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:

A number of short term players will be leaving in January thankfully. That and the second tranche of the Will Vaulks money should allow any new manager to bring in the necessary players to balance off the squad.

The good thing is I don't think we need an awful lot to get a bit more balance in the team. Maybe get 1 or 2 out on loan as well. 

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4 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:

Two games  against lithgae and Stranraer. I'm sure even Totten and an experienced player could've taken the side for a fortnight.  Still doesn't explain why two guys are giving up permanent posts to take us for a few weeks but I suppose as you say we'll just need to wait and see.

I like Alex as I think everyone does, but I genuinely don't see him as a football person any more. I can't quite explain it, but Alex Smith still had something about him that made him "gaffer" when he needed to step into a dressing room. He had the sort of growl, the glare, that could still intimidate even if most folk didn't see that side of him. 

I just don't think Totts has that now.  He's been a salesman for too long.

 

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1 hour ago, Gaz said:

Neither Peterhead or Livingston have said anything official. This is all coming from gossip and heresay.

Pretty much like the Herald guy that seems to read P&B and then report it as official rumours

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26 minutes ago, Bainsfordbairn said:

Bob the kitman 

I like Bob but this doesn't have the same zing of Bob the builder. 1/10

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