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Was all for the academy when they produced the goods. It was something you boasted about 8-9 home bred players with more on the bench.  But 4 seasons without one player coming through it was obvious the structure was not fit for purpose.
Mitchell and Gallacher were the only two with a bit of potential but they were a further 2 seasons at least from the first team, so that would be 6 barren years. Clearly not good enough.
If the club restart the academy then the lessons on why it went so wrong for so long have to be learned. Scouting, Signing, Coaching, First team promotion have to be fit for purpose with the right people in the right positions.
 

Running an Academy is not a production line of guaranteed year on year first team quality youngsters.
Barren spells will happen but at the time the decision was taken to close the doors the signs were that a good new crop were about to emerge.
Very poor strategic decision that has set the club back years.

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I don't think Irvings a bad player at all and to be quite honest i'd have rather seen him starting for us at centre mid towards the end of last season than Osman or Paton. Technically he's very good on the ball, he sprays the ball about well and you've got to remember he's still only 19.

Heart of a pea. Not what we needed last season but agree that there's talent there.

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Tomorrow's game will be interesting albeit I wont go as a matter of principle - those liars still in charge. Have we a team that has the fight to get us out of our current mess? Time will tell and tomorrow is the start of one of the most important years in our history. Bricking it!

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If you keep on flogging off academy players at younger and younger ages then you're obviously going to hit a barren period eventually. To me young players should be coming through and then playing 3 or 4 seasons in the first team before being sold. We were selling some after one or two first team games and some after none at all. There was nothing wrong with the academy it was the awful stewardship of the club which meant we were desperate for cash and forced into selling to the first half decent bid that came in. 

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8 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said:

If the board had previous for not being trustworthy though, would it not have been wise to have secured a binding commitment?  I'm perhaps being unrealistic, displaying my own ignorance on such matters, or in turn being naive.  

Is there a board that are trustworthy in Scottish football ?

7 hours ago, Russ said:

Andy Irving starting for Hearts tonight. Can only imagine they’ve got a load of injuries already, he’s fucking shite.

He was one of Hartley's best signings and being 18, doesn't say a lot but bar his Mark Kerr shooting, I'd guess he will have s decent career

6 hours ago, HopeStreetWalker said:

Was all for the academy when they produced the goods. It was something you boasted about 8-9 home bred players with more on the bench.  But 4 seasons without one player coming through it was obvious the structure was not fit for purpose.

Mitchell and Gallacher were the only two with a bit of potential but they were a further 2 seasons at least from the first team, so that would be 6 barren years. Clearly not good enough.

If the club restart the academy then the lessons on why it went so wrong for so long have to be learned. Scouting, Signing, Coaching, First team promotion have to be fit for purpose with the right people in the right positions.

 

We had a manager for that period in that barren spell who refused to use the academy, I'm not suggesting there was a mass talent pool but these young players need bled and will make mistakes and learn. Houston academy sales of Biabi, Blair and Gallacher probably had 30-40 starts between them if not less. He would rather play a centre half heefer at right back than our under 19 Scottish international.

As much as I love Houston, we should've binned the academy after his appointment or a year later.

You need to have management that buys into promoting youth, we never did under Houston.

I personally don't think we can rekindle the academy again, the once good name we had has been tarnished with the closure reveal and the promotion of youth to first team just wasn't there in the latter years

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3 hours ago, MrDust said:

Is there a board that are trustworthy in Scottish football?

While there's maybe a truth in there, it would surely be inaccurate to suggest they're all equally untrustworthy.

Anyway, as I conceded, it's probably unfair to blame anyone other than the board for what's happened here.

What's the consensus regarding their motives for sneakily derailing a relationship and plans that were fairly advanced? 

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9 hours ago, Shodwall cat said:

If you keep on flogging off academy players at younger and younger ages then you're obviously going to hit a barren period eventually. To me young players should be coming through and then playing 3 or 4 seasons in the first team before being sold. We were selling some after one or two first team games and some after none at all. There was nothing wrong with the academy it was the awful stewardship of the club which meant we were desperate for cash and forced into selling to the first half decent bid that came in. 

You make a good point. That is getting the full benefit of the final product with the add on of cashing in as a young player moves to a higher level.

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5 hours ago, MrDust said:

Is there a board that are trustworthy in Scottish football ?

He was one of Hartley's best signings and being 18, doesn't say a lot but bar his Mark Kerr shooting, I'd guess he will have s decent career

We had a manager for that period in that barren spell who refused to use the academy, I'm not suggesting there was a mass talent pool but these young players need bled and will make mistakes and learn. Houston academy sales of Biabi, Blair and Gallacher probably had 30-40 starts between them if not less. He would rather play a centre half heefer at right back than our under 19 Scottish international.

As much as I love Houston, we should've binned the academy after his appointment or a year later.

You need to have management that buys into promoting youth, we never did under Houston.

I personally don't think we can rekindle the academy again, the once good name we had has been tarnished with the closure reveal and the promotion of youth to first team just wasn't there in the latter years

 

5 hours ago, MrDust said:

Is there a board that are trustworthy in Scottish football ?

He was one of Hartley's best signings and being 18, doesn't say a lot but bar his Mark Kerr shooting, I'd guess he will have s decent career

We had a manager for that period in that barren spell who refused to use the academy, I'm not suggesting there was a mass talent pool but these young players need bled and will make mistakes and learn. Houston academy sales of Biabi, Blair and Gallacher probably had 30-40 starts between them if not less. He would rather play a centre half heefer at right back than our under 19 Scottish international.

As much as I love Houston, we should've binned the academy after his appointment or a year later.

You need to have management that buys into promoting youth, we never did under Houston.

I personally don't think we can rekindle the academy again, the once good name we had has been tarnished with the closure reveal and the promotion of youth to first team just wasn't there in the latter years

It academic and we will never know if some of these players had got the last 20 - 15 minutes of some games to bring them on would have worked.

Good point with Finlayson at right back. Desperate for a player in that position. Not once did Finlayson get a start and its a case of what if. When we did do that the academy did produce. Kingsley , Fulton and Arfield that played at the highest level not that the club got any add on's - but that is a different discussion.

 

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So, this group just assumed they had preferred bidder status without any written agreement whatsoever? Seems a tad naive.

The club pretending other groups just happened to come forward at the same time is quite funny. They clearly think everyone is thick as mince.

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13 minutes ago, Poet of the Macabre said:

So, this group just assumed they had preferred bidder status without any written agreement whatsoever? Seems a tad naive.

I think normally you’d be right but in this case, the Board approached individuals to create and ascertain support for fan ownership. Unless I’m mistaken there was no suggestion that the club was actually ‘up for sale’. The club reached out to the support, not the other way about.

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They clearly think everyone is thick as mince.


That bit is the crux of it.

Why would there ever be any need to even think about whether you were "preferred bidder" when the club wasnt actively for sale and the board had been encouraging (smokescreen we now know) fan ownership.

You surely only need to worry about being a preferred bidder in a scenario where you think there is likely to be multiple bidders?

The only reason we ended up in that scenario is because certain duplicitous wretches on the board strung BtB and the fans along whilst working in the background to block them, and whored the club around.

Naive perhaps, but only now are we finding put just how maliciously these people have behaved and just how much contempt they have for the fans.

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So, this group just assumed they had preferred bidder status without any written agreement whatsoever? Seems a tad naive.
The club pretending other groups just happened to come forward at the same time is quite funny. They clearly think everyone is thick as mince.


This is not some group. It is 1000 fans who signed up.

There are various emails I believe that confirmed this was the only show in town.

Also bear in mind this was the club who wanted this and pursed the two individuals pull this together.

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27 minutes ago, Sanity check needed. said:

What's does everyone think the attendance will be today, I'm going for 2200 at the best

I was wondering that myself. This time last year we kicked off the season with a home Saturday game that had an attendance of 1730. If you assume similar numbers but with a slight drop due to the boycott I'd guess around 1500.

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20 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:


 

 


That bit is the crux of it.

Why would there ever be any need to even think about whether you were "preferred bidder" when the club wasnt actively for sale and the board had been encouraging (smokescreen we now know) fan ownership.

You surely only need to worry about being a preferred bidder in a scenario where you think there is likely to be multiple bidders?

The only reason we ended up in that scenario is because certain duplicitous wretches on the board strung BtB and the fans along whilst working in the background to block them, and whored the club around.

Naive perhaps, but only now are we finding put just how maliciously these people have behaved and just how much contempt they have for the fans.

 

That all sounds fair.

Again though, what was the motivation for bringing the fans' group so far on board, only to later block them?  You clearly see it as a Machiavellian plot.  I don't quite understand what they were up to and why.

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That all sounds fair.
Again though, what was the motivation for bringing the fans' group so far on board, only to later block them?  You clearly see it as a Machiavellian plot.  I don't quite understand what they were up to and why.
Some in the group likely believe in it and want whats best for the club.

Some other, who evidently shouted loudest, decided that they wanted to hold out for coin and acted accordingly.

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The League Cup, what's that? Another tournament those in authority made an arse of.

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5 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Some in the group likely believe in it and want whats best for the club.

Some other, who evidently shouted loudest, decided that they wanted to hold out for coin and acted accordingly.

Right.

Are you saying then that having the fans' injection of cash on the table, bumped up the price for prospective buyers?

For once I'm not being a dick here.  I'm just trying to understand what was in it for board members to behave in this way.

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Just now, Monkey Tennis said:

For once I'm not being a dick here.  I'm just trying to understand what was in it for board members to behave in this way.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s partly revenge after them getting chased out the car park last season.

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