The Falkirk FC Thread

[MrDust]

9 hours ago, Poet of the Macabre said:

I don't think McKinnon is a poor manager by any means but with this Morton complaint now moving onto the SPFL, you have to question whether he was really worth this hassle? I know McIntyre and McCall were approached first but there was surely somebody unemployed that could have been approached?

He's lost six of his seven games so far; just about anybody could have done that or better. I suppose he might totally turn it around - especially in January- but will need to be pretty special for it to justify the added headaches for those running the club.

5 players freed, 4 in September and one yesterday with more to come from the squad Hartley assembled, also have two players out on loan. I can see at least another 2,3,4 more getting released soon or in January giving you the bigger picture of what McKinnon has had to work with, none of Hartleys players have really come up to the standard he inherited from Houston who are still here

2 hours ago, Branch Ton said:

Tapping is only one of your worries. One would imagine that before signing McKinnon and Taylor  your legal team would have carried out due diligence and checked that  their contracts  with Morton had been legally terminated ie their resignations  had been accepted and the date from which those were effective. It’s a fact that McKinnon was under contract to , and working for, Morton on the Friday on which the transfer deadline closed. It also seems that he may have been  working on Falkirk’s behalf, including trying to make player signings on that very same Friday.  If McKinnon was legally under contract to Morton for all of that  Friday and the Saturday and some time beyond as well   the situation is akin to you playing someone whose registration is held by another club,  though potentially much worse. 

 

 

 

Do you have examples of worse ?

If anything were to happen, it wont be points deduction or kicked out of a cup which is what can happens with players registration not being correct.

keep clutching the straws and talking pish

[Shodwall cat]

5 minutes ago, Duncan Freemason said:

.....because they are trying to make a case for tapping. They knew shortly after their chairman’s outburst that their “£100k” claim was utter bollocks, and so this was the only avenue open to them to make it look like they are doing something/anything to back up the bluster.

I very much doubt that we made any contact with him directly until permission was given. I would think that as in all other cases in todays market he would've been sounded out about the job through his agent as happens in every other transfer in world football.

[Gmfc 23]

As rat snake b*****d has said it will all come out when hes ready to tell the world how big bad morton treated him so wrong and why he not the bad guy in all of this. 

Well rat snake b*****d everyone is waiting get it out there tell everyone in your own time now.

[Reggie Perrin]

8 minutes ago, Gmfc 23 said:

As rat snake b*****d has said it will all come out when hes ready to tell the world how big bad morton treated him so wrong and why he not the bad guy in all of this. 

Well rat snake b*****d everyone is waiting get it out there tell everyone in your own time now.

Morton are not big.

[Falkirk_Bairn_1983]

Good to see another player not in the managers thoughts away from the club. Obviously it would have cost money but it makes room for the manager to bring in his own players. 

Haber, Robson, Russell, Dallison and Harrison hopefully all in line to go next. 

[Branch Ton]

51 minutes ago, MrDust said:

5 players freed, 4 in September and one yesterday with more to come from the squad Hartley assembled, also have two players out on loan. I can see at least another 2,3,4 more getting released soon or in January giving you the bigger picture of what McKinnon has had to work with, none of Hartleys players have really come up to the standard he inherited from Houston who are still here

Do you have examples of worse ?

If anything were to happen, it wont be points deduction or kicked out of a cup which is what can happens with players registration not being correct.

keep clutching the straws and talking pish

Doubtless, before making that comment,  you familiarised yourself  with the particular rule breaches the club and the three individuals  could potentially be charged under and what the maximum penalties are . 

[wullie robb]

6 minutes ago, Branch Ton said:

Doubtless, before making that comment,  you familiarised yourself  with the particular rule breaches the club and the three individuals  could potentially be charged under and what the maximum penalties are . 

What then are the maximum penalties according to the SJFA. 

[gav-ffc]

1 hour ago, Gmfc 23 said:

As rat snake b*****d has said it will all come out when hes ready to tell the world how big bad morton treated him so wrong and why he not the bad guy in all of this. 

Well rat snake b*****d everyone is waiting get it out there tell everyone in your own time now.

Still curious how a rat snake works, body of a rat and head of a snake?

[Shodwall cat]

So what do Morton have as evidence to back up their case apart from they must've as it was all done so quickly.

[AL-FFC]

Straight from the SPFL rule book:

Employee Contracts:

 D9 No Club shall directly or indirectly induce or attempt to induce any employee of another Club to terminate a contract of employment with that other Club (whether or not by breach of that contract) or directly or indirectly approach any such employee with a view to offering employment without the consent of that other Club. For the purpose of this Rule D9, "Club" means a member club of the Scottish FA.

Inducement to breach Contracts D10 No Club shall either directly or indirectly induce or attempt to induce any manager, coach, trainer or other person involved in the training or management of the team of another Club or a club in membership of the Scottish FA to breach a written contract of employment. Clubs may notify the Company in writing, of the period of all or any such persons' contracts of employment.

D11 Any Club either directly or indirectly inducing or attempting to induce any manager, coach, trainer or other person involved in the training or management of the team of another Club or a club in membership of the Scottish FA to breach a contract of employment shall be dealt with by the Board as it shall see fit.

Morton gave Consent for Falkirk to speak to RM wheres the issue other than Morton felt it was done too fast, worst case scenario i would say small compensation fee to Morton.

Edited October 25, 2018 by AL-FFC

[Mr Toon]

4 hours ago, Back Post Misses said:

 

No no no

According to our Chairman McKinnon was the only person offered the job

 

Well she would say that, wouldn't she?

Edited October 25, 2018 by Mr Toon

[Gaz FFC]

Morton fans must be an absolute riot if a lassie dumped them.

What a state to get into because a guy quit to go to a bigger club/job.

[Bairnardo]

Doubtless, before making that comment,  you familiarised yourself  with the particular rule breaches the club and the three individuals  could potentially be charged under and what the maximum penalties are . 

The most important thing here is, are you the person that contacted Zak Rudden on twitter?

I think you are.

[MrDust]

1 hour ago, Branch Ton said:

Doubtless, before making that comment,  you familiarised yourself  with the particular rule breaches the club and the three individuals  could potentially be charged under and what the maximum penalties are . 

Examples ?

keep clutching the straws and talking pish

[falkirkthebigclub]

1 hour ago, Reggie Perrin said:

Morton are not big.

...and, It would appear, not particularly clever.

[Bainsfordbairn]

17 minutes ago, AL-FFC said:

Morton gave Consent for Falkirk to speak to RM wheres the issue other than Morton felt it was done too fast, worst case scenario i would say small compensation fee to Morton.

Not according to their public statements.  

“Whether or not we permitted Ray to talk to Falkirk is not the issue. Ray and Darren were not at any time released from their contracts with Morton. When they subsequently intimated their resignations in breach of contract, the resignations were rejected and they were told that they remained under contract to Greenock Morton until the end of May 2019, as we did not wish to lose our management team.".

Has anyone ever worked under a contract like that? Where your employer could keep you working, against your wishes, for NINE MONTHS after resigning? 

 

 

 

[AL-FFC]

2 minutes ago, Bainsfordbairn said:

Not according to their public statements.  

“Whether or not we permitted Ray to talk to Falkirk is not the issue. Ray and Darren were not at any time released from their contracts with Morton. When they subsequently intimated their resignations in breach of contract, the resignations were rejected and they were told that they remained under contract to Greenock Morton until the end of May 2019, as we did not wish to lose our management team.".

Has anyone ever worked under a contract like that? Where your employer could keep you working, against your wishes, for NINE MONTHS after resigning? 

 

 

 

Its a bit ambiguous that statement "whether or not we permitted Ray to talk to Falkirk" so did they or didn't they which is going to come down to a case of did you say he could speak to Falkirk in case of yes, case closed or no then there is a problem but if he says no what evidence was there as Morton could lie about it.  This is all going to come down to hearsay speculation with a severe lack of any credible evidence.

[falkirkthebigclub]

So the Morton chairman acted the c**t when Ray told him he wanted to leave, complained to the authorities about Falkirk acting legitimately then leaked a Judas narative to the local press?

[MrDust]

3 minutes ago, Bainsfordbairn said:

Not according to their public statements.  

“Whether or not we permitted Ray to talk to Falkirk is not the issue. Ray and Darren were not at any time released from their contracts with Morton. When they subsequently intimated their resignations in breach of contract, the resignations were rejected and they were told that they remained under contract to Greenock Morton until the end of May 2019, as we did not wish to lose our management team.".

Has anyone ever worked under a contract like that? Where your employer could keep you working, against your wishes, for NINE MONTHS after resigning? 

 

 

 

Didnt the chairman or the guy that has a set of keys for Morton come out with a statement saying  we gave no permission to speak to McKinnon only to change the statement a day or days later saying they gave permission.

Id guess when you give your manager permission to speak to someone you are in either two camps that you could lose your manager or you know him well enough to know he wont go.

Ayr being the example in that their chairman gave us permission to speak to McCall and obviously he knew deep down we might turn his head a bit but not in the way Dufc did but he probably owes Ayr and the chairman a lot more than slightly more £s at an ex club. The Ayr chairman also said our conduct throughout was first class.

We will obviously have all our documents in place at the upcoming meeting, whereas the Morton's statements are tainted with tears, lies and snotters

[AL-FFC]

1 hour ago, Branch Ton said:

Doubtless, before making that comment,  you familiarised yourself  with the particular rule breaches the club and the three individuals  could potentially be charged under and what the maximum penalties are . 

D11 Any Club either directly or indirectly inducing or attempting to induce any manager, coach, trainer or other person involved in the training or management of the team of another Club or a club in membership of the Scottish FA to breach a contract of employment shall be dealt with by the Board as it shall see fit.

There's your answer. I cant recall the last time if any it happened in Scottish Football so this will in effect be a first so the SPFL dont know, Morton and Falkirk don't know so i think that flies your argument out the window as basically no one knows and its going to come to the panel to sit down and decide what if any punishment is handed to anyone in this.