Guest Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Just now, ffcslaing10 said: Gary Caldwell has relegation written all over it. Been relegated under similar circumstances at both clubs he's managed so far and subsequently sacked twice and considering he's still only 36 that's worrying Gordon Young, your opportunity awaits..........if you can grab it with both hands, then God bless you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stainrod Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, Duncan Freemason said: Your claiming straw man argument and offering up the straw man argument of presuming what AS’s part in it was. I know and assume you know that AS wasn’t performing any role at all in the project, as he felt his leaving for a new life would have made that completely inappropriate. So, your consultant to check the consultant is completely and utterly bogus. I will say it again. As part of a project as broad based as this, an independent ad hoc hire answerable to the board verifying he and Hartley were in agreement on signings would be no bad thing. Also, IF signings were being made sight unseen on the recommendation of an agent (you mentioned the player’s agent, I didn’t) then the independent person would be expected to make any concerns clear and known. I ask again....no twisting. If oversight and assurance such as this has no part to play, then why did we get into this mess. We got into this mess because there was no-one voicing any concerns either to Hartley or the board that this was perhaps not the way to go, or not the way to go there, or not the pace at which to move. It’s frustrating that a view that more or less says “nothing could be done better” should have any foundation here. If there is seen to be no room for improvement in the process, and it only failed because Hartley was useless as it, then straight away that’s saying there absolutely is room for improvement, Couldn't agree more 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdiBairn Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, ffcslaing10 said: Gary Caldwell has relegation written all over it. Been relegated under similar circumstances at both clubs he's managed so far and subsequently sacked twice and considering he's still only 36 that's worrying He also won league 1 with Wigan... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnschild Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Jim Leishman on the McBookie site now at 25/1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffcslaing10 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, EdiBairn said: He also won league 1 with Wigan... That's the equivalent to us winning the league next season after we have been relegated He was then sacked after a handful of games upon his promotion Edited August 31, 2018 by ffcslaing10 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falkirkzombie Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Just now, Bairnschild said: Jim Leishman on the McBookie site now at 25/1 is speaking tonite at a falkirk do along with owen coyle......he can do 1 tho 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDust Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Gaz said: It's amazing how many folk seem to think we'd be doing better had we kept last season's players. We were sitting at what, one point from nine the same stage last season? Bizarre. That will happen when the majority of them do well at their next clubs and the dross we brought in are worse than what we had. Funnily the two I would've kept have been average at best but probably better than what we have now 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stainrod Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 44 minutes ago, CC52 FFC said: Does Gary Caldwell have the experience of this situation? I’m not so sure. That doesn’t mean I don’t want him to get it mind you. I think personally we need someone with experience to steady the ship. Hopkin probably my preferred choice if we could get him. Whoever it is won’t please everyone but we all must get behind him, whoever he may be. Gary has successfully overseen relaxation at his last two clubs!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangemouth Bairn Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Just now, Stainrod said: Gary has successfully overseen relaxation at his last two clubs!! What does he do ?? Give the players a yoga session followed by a massage ?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Gary has successfully overseen relaxation at his last two clubs!! Well I wont lie, that sounds quite nice. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bainsfordbairn Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 20 minutes ago, Duncan Freemason said: Your claiming straw man argument and offering up the straw man argument of presuming what AS’s part in it was. I know and assume you know that AS wasn’t performing any role at all in the project, as he felt his leaving for a new life would have made that completely inappropriate. So, your consultant to check the consultant is completely and utterly bogus. I will say it again. As part of a project as broad based as this, an independent ad hoc hire answerable to the board verifying he and Hartley were in agreement on signings would be no bad thing. Also, IF signings were being made sight unseen on the recommendation of an agent (you mentioned the player’s agent, I didn’t) then the independent person would be expected to make any concerns clear and known. I ask again....no twisting. If oversight and assurance such as this has no part to play, then why did we get into this mess. We got into this mess because there was no-one voicing any concerns either to Hartley or the board that this was perhaps not the way to go, or not the way to go there, or not the pace at which to move. It’s frustrating that a view that more or less says “nothing could be done better” should have any foundation here. If there is seen to be no room for improvement in the process, and it only failed because Hartley was useless as it, then straight away that’s saying there absolutely is room for improvement, My opinion is that we got into the mess because the manager brought in players who didn't perform to the levels expected between their arrivals and his departure. Fair enough re the "independent ad hoc hire" part. I don't know if any other clubs do it, or how a potential incoming manager would react if told at interview that his future decisions would need to be approved by such a person, but at least you've answered the question. Thank you. Re Alex Smith, I have no idea what role he actually played. I think my wording made it clear that I was speculating. You wording seems to infer that you know otherwise. Personally - and this is also speculation - I always thought that Alex may have decided to leave after the decision to axe the Academy was made. That was the largest part of his duties, after. I therefore assumed that he was fully involved in the recruitment and supervision / mentoring of PH. If you know otherwise I'd be interested to hear your insights. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 1 hour ago, GMBairn said: 2 hours ago, TheScarf said: So not a decline then. Yeah, almost getting relegated to league 1 isn't a decline. A decline isn't a club going down to it's natural level I'm afraid m3. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 A decline isn't a club going down to it's natural level I'm afraid m3.[emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falkirkzombie Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, TheScarf said: A decline isn't a club going down to it's natural level I'm afraid m3. even is this were true,....... if it's going down surely this is a decline. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stainrod Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 44 minutes ago, Duncan Freemason said: Your claiming straw man argument and offering up the straw man argument of presuming what AS’s part in it was. I know and assume you know that AS wasn’t performing any role at all in the project, as he felt his leaving for a new life would have made that completely inappropriate. So, your consultant to check the consultant is completely and utterly bogus. I will say it again. As part of a project as broad based as this, an independent ad hoc hire answerable to the board verifying he and Hartley were in agreement on signings would be no bad thing. Also, IF signings were being made sight unseen on the recommendation of an agent (you mentioned the player’s agent, I didn’t) then the independent person would be expected to make any concerns clear and known. I ask again....no twisting. If oversight and assurance such as this has no part to play, then why did we get into this mess. We got into this mess because there was no-one voicing any concerns either to Hartley or the board that this was perhaps not the way to go, or not the way to go there, or not the pace at which to move. It’s frustrating that a view that more or less says “nothing could be done better” should have any foundation here. If there is seen to be no room for improvement in the process, and it only failed because Hartley was useless as it, then straight away that’s saying there absolutely is room for improvement, The problem is there is no strong leadership. We are run by an f____ING committee who keep getting it wrong. If you have the likes of _______ involved at board level why on earth do you expect rational well thought through decisions. Shite in shite out 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Just now, falkirkzombie said: even is this were true,....... if it's going down surely this is a decline. To their natural level of the 2nd tier? That's not a decline for me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believe The Hype Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Scarf give it a rest, your fishing skills are guff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Any news yet Bairns? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Sneaky Bairns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falkirkzombie Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Just now, Kyle said: Sneaky Bairns. oooftt...bolt fi nowhere 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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